350 COMPTE RENDU DES ENTRETIENS ENTRE LE COLONEL THOMAS KARREMANS ET LE GENERAL RATKO MLADIC DES 11 ET 12 JUILLET 1995 source MSF rt JIM wiuerUn 1 fl tillEU huh maxi th I nls l In I i l 1 sh lla I 1 1 bvr lun a I Hr I1 I nrl a 1 5h ndr - 3 44Amocdzm 22 8 qu cz qupqu sm Erma a $5 1m 3 Bo 20 a 033 0 - 50 $95 3% 3 m b nduu 13mdunH L 3qu gamva ERA nu in 2 34 3an 505 A $le Di th 90292an - A as I I - Ixle p I - -- - - - - - -- - - if Jag- TagBios oi To 7 Forcecom der - uu Lgen Jami-er - 99M 1 Bosnia-Herzegovina Comaod - I- was 50- WU - Comander ' - Sector North East - - - Minis teg' van Defensi'e - den HAAG C-KL Crisi stef den ms 12 July 1 925 3 TKSSIL4 - 'Haa inaa' watt Gen Manic on 1 1 and 12 3111 2 1995 - e Immunrn pgi Dutchbelt Compound PWa-quz'egovioe 43 ll Due-to time Limitations Lam not able to makee re- port of the two have had last night with Gen' Mladicf of Bergman-Serb Army Details of the in and around the compound of POMCARI are Cari-ant situan'onv mom tc you- These were explained to you by telephone Today I witniesed a cata- l sti-opnic sequence of events 1'32 1 bean ordered by- e gee appendix I had two meetings with Gen Ml adic- I 153' what happened today During the 11231 one I been awed a a3 beeng ha 12 EQ mmsoa Swain enter into local negotiations wzth BSA forces for immadiata cease re v_ - I mand gi that there will not be any aim-strikes or CA5 longer If or CBS should occur_'o be Continued compound ROTO- with Dutchbat and about 2-500 refugees 11 5th and about _ 15 000 refugees in the direct vicinity- of 112g 32 emptasi zed in most threatening wag- all his assets to outgim the compound45 23 116 20 a Qt 1 5 L t lat meetigg - a - - 2- - -- -v - - 12 1 5 23 a official' ind- - is tie was 8 12 to segges 3 3- the I I it Wilg'suffer shab- - than he will 'use 3 7 in Qu- I am not able - - s L7 i-nl up II - - 4 a M Hmt Af y-Frwvu Wgr A i 1 3 123 - n1 -q - -- - if ig 0 - - -J - my-s sfirst needs on behalf of the reiugees'Q-He ma de note Gifall of them- He stated There will be a ceasefire jg fit ill 12' hrs Then lie-started his talk to __the repre usautative o 'hhose refugees- -He demanded p Within the former enclavegwere erced- to Zhandover their weapons and free retreat- - - - - 1o Next meeting on 12 Jul r with a representation oi the refugees and the former civil and-military au thorities Gan Medic is willing to receive and treat all wounded persons however first to accept and execute his demands not then 'he threatened again with very specific measures shelling 3-- There are more than 3 5 000 people within inclu dmg'the 'b'atallion in an extreme vulnerable position the gig ng duck position not able to defend these people at all In direct line and above the compound he deploy-dim guns two tanks three MLPS and one AAgun all in direct sight At this moment I am responsible for these people a- to defend these people to defend my own batallion c- to find suitable representatives among the civilians because the official authorities are for_'__certairr tear-- sonS'not available - d- to'find representatives among the militarz authorities because they are trying to fight for a corridor to the and will not show up anyway because of pli- rely r pe rSonaL reasons e manage to force- AHIB troops to handover their weapons- I This situation is deteriorating in such way that naJ measuresare to be taken for both refugees and diers- In- my opinion there is one way out negotiations today At the highest level highest national authorities and both Bosnian Serb and Bosnian government- CUNVOY CCUYE - '1'13 1 ICOY NR NR JPARIQI - - - - - - - - i - - - - 1 TTHIJSSEN KAP 8C67732 c011 Eifi7696 322'17298 5 10 2 VERSTEEG 5101 80677513 8011- 5 30 3 PETERS 5101 8067 865 1CCIE 11 110121 403 ti 7298 5 30 4 88888148115 LKOL AC678637 082 50 52 7285 5 01 5 LAAR VAN DE 8087395 503' 7285 5 01 6 00131 VAN 80678058 CCIE saw-081 1511 7882 107 7 11m 5101 8867826 CCIE '11_ 8437 107 a STRUIK 5101 8C67827 CCIE raga-451 194117882 107 9 BRUIJNE DE 5101 8067830 CCIE 13908968 110 17882 107 10 EIJEN 8067396 40 17882 107 11 FOLKERS 510 8067539 14 17882 107 12 NESIB MANDZIC -- 1386 86 REF 17882 107 13 OMER SUBASIC INTI-288113110 WPN 17882 107 1 14 VAHID HODZIC 72000591 INTERPQ N04WPN -- 17882 107 1 15 MUJO NUKIC --4 72000611 - 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