UNCLASSIFIED Case NUmber 200201166 PAGE 01 STATE 285017 1119372 INFO LOG-00 ADS-00 DRAFTED BY APPROVED BY DESIRED DISTRIBUTION NODIS _ _o7D3Es 1119392 38 0 1119382 DEC 95 ZFFS FM SECSTATE WASHDC TO AMEMBASSY BRUSSELS IMMEDIATE INFO IMMEDIATE USMISSION USUN NEW YORK IMMEDIATE E O 12958 - -- TAGS OVIP CHRISTOPHER WARREN PREL BE UN MARR SUBJECT MEETING WITH RUSSIAN FM KOZYREV 1 DECEMBER 6 1995 9 00-10 00 A M HOTEL CONRAD BRUSSELS BELGIUM 1 CLASSIFIED BY DEPUTY EXECUTIVE SECRETARY MICHAEL E GUEST REASON 1 5 D PAGE 02 STATE 285017 1119372 2 PARTICIPANTS U S SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER AMBASSADOR HUNTER JIM COLLINS SINIS JIM STEINBERG NICK BURNS RUSSIA FOREIGN MINISTER KOZYREV AMBASSADOR CHURKIN VLADIMIR IVANOV NOTETAKER INTERPRETER 3 SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER BEGAN BY REFLECTING THAT THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF STATE i REVIEW AUTHORITY FRANK TUMMINIA ID 6 MAR 2003 200001030 UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED Case Number 200201166 TUESDAY NAC MEETING HAD FOCUSSED HEAVILY ON IMPLEMENTING THE PEACE AGREEMENT IN BOSNIA EVERY SPEAKER HAD EXPRESSED SATISFACTION THAT RUSSIA WILL PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS INCLUDING IFOR SECRETARY PERRY HAD WELCOMED THE COOPERATION WE HAVE ESTABLISHED IN THE MILITARY ASPECTS OF THE OPERATION A POINT WHICH HAD GARNERED UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FROM HIS DEFENSE COLLEAGUES NATO- RUSSIA MOU 4 THE SECRETARY GATHERED THAT WORK T0 FORMALIZE THE MOU IS CONTINUING AND THAT NATO HAD PROVIDED A SECOND DRAFT HE ASKED WHETHER RUSSIA MOU COULD BE COMPLETED SOON RESPONDING KOZYREV QUESTIONED WHETHER A MOU IS NECESSARY HE HAD PAGE 03 STATE 285017 1119372 DISCUSSED THIS THE PREVIOUS DAY WITH COLLEAGUES AND HAD CONCLUDED IT IS NOT CLEAR A PAPER IS NEEDED SHEVTSOV HAD SAID HIS TALKS ARE PROCEEDING ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT AN AGREEMENT ON THE MILITARY ASPECTS WILL USE MECHANISMS AVAILABLE UNDER THE TERMS OF THE DOCUMENT THIS MECHANISM PROVIDES FOR CONSULTATIONS ON POLITICAL ISSUES IN THE 16-PLUS-1 FORMAT IN THAT CASESECRETARY CHRISTOPHER SAID THAT IN A TECHNICAL SENSE IT IS PROBABLY TRUE THAT WE DO NOT NEED A NEW EXISTING MECHANISMS CAN ENCOMPASS NEEDS THAT MAY ARISE FOR CONSULTATION AT THE SAME TIME THE RUSSIANS MIGHT WANT TO THINK THROUGH THE IMPLICATIONS OF NOT GOING FORWARD ON THE MOU ESPECIALLY AS THERE IS PUBLIC EXPECTATION AN AGREEMENT WILL BE ACHIEVED AMBASSADOR HUNTER NOTED THAT THE IDEA OF AN MOU HAD BEEN PUT FORWARD AS A WAY TO BE HELPFUL TO THE RUSSIAN SIDE IN THEIR NEED TO REGULARIZE AND FORMALIZE CONSULTATION ON ISSUES THAT MIGHT AFFECT RUSSIAN TROOPS IN IFOR THE MOU IS NOT A NATO REQUIREMENT THE MILITARY WILL HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO GOVERN THE TERMS OF THE MILITARY ROLE FURTHERMORE SECRETARY PERRY AND GENERAL GRACHEV HAVE AGREED IN PRINCIPLE ON HOW TO CARRY OUT CONSULTATIONS ON POLITICAL ISSUES 6 KOZYREV SAID HE THOUGHT IT BEST THAT THE TALKS UNCLASSIFIED Page 2 Page 2 UNCLASSIFIED Page 3 Case NUmber 200201166 SHOULD KEEP OPEN THE OPTION OF CONTINUING WORK MOU IN THE MEANTIME WE CAN WORK ON THE BASIS OF THE AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE PAGE 04 STATE 285017 1119372 ELECTIONS AND ENLARGEMENT 7 NOTING THE IMMINENT FORMAL SIGNATURE OF THE BOSNIAN PEACE AGREEMENT IN PARIS THE SECRETARY ASKED WHETHER PRESIDENT YELTSIN WILL BE ABLE TO TRAVEL BY THAT TIME THAT YELTSIN WILL NOT GO TO YELTSINWHAD TOLD HIM HE INTENDED TO ASK PRIME MINISTER CHERNOMYRDIN TO GO HOWEVER ATTENDANCE IS ALSO UNCLEAR THE TIMING OF THE PARIS MEETING COULD NOT BE WORSE COMING TWO DAYS BEFORE ELECTIONS FOR THE- DUMA THE SECRETARY RESPONDED THAT WE HAVE A APPRECIATION OF POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS AND THEIR SIGNIFICANCE B THE SECRETARY WANTED TO MAKE ONE OR TWO POINTS ABOUT NATO ENLARGEMENT AN ISSUE THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE COMMUNIQUE ISSUED THE PREVIOUS DAY FIRST MOST OR ALL OF 1996 WILL BE TAKEN UP BY DISCUSSIONS WITH PARTNERS REGARDING THE IMPLICATIONS OF MEMBERSHIP FOR THEIR INDIVIDUAL STATES THIS DISCUSSION WILL DEFINE WHAT WE HAVE CALLED PHASE II IN THE ENLARGEMENT PROCESS THE SECRETARY SAID HE EXPECTED THE NAC A YEAR FROM NOW TO- TAKE UP THIS ISSUE AS WELL SECOND WE ARE PLEASED WITH RUSSIAN WILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE FULLY IN P4P 9 KOZYREV RESPONDED THAT PRESIDENT YELTSIN HAD RECEIVED PRESIDENT LETTER ON THIS HE DID NOT KNOW WHETHER YELTSIN HAD HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT IN DETAIL A REPLY WILL BE FORTHCOMING BUT IT MAY TAKE PAGE 05 STATE 285017 1119372 SOME TIME WITHIN THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT THERE ARE THREE SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT ON HOW TO APPROACH NATO ONE SCHOOL ADVOCATES RUSSIA DEFEND ITS INTERESTS THROUGH ACTIVISM AND THREATS A SECOND SCHOOL PROMOTES THE IDEA THAT RUSSIA SHOULD IGNORE NATO THE THIRD WHICH KOZYREV SUPPORTS ARGUES FOR DEVELOPMENT OF COOPERATION Pa9e 3 UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED Page 4 Case Nu er 200201166 EVEN WHILE ARGUMENT DIALOGUE AND DISAGREEMENT OVER ENLARGEMENT CONTINUES IN SPEAKING WITH KOZYREV THE PREVIOUS DAY PRESIDENT YELTSIN HAD STRONGLY SUPPORTED THE THIRD APPROACH 10 THE SECRETARY SAID HE IS PLEASED KOZYREV AND THE THIRD VIEW KOZYREV RESPONDED THAT EVEN WITH THIS SUPPORT ARGUMENT OVER NATO WILL CONTINUE FOR A THUS ANSWERING PRESIDENT LETTER SUBSTANTIVELY AND DEFINITIVELY WILL TAKE SOME TIME THE SECRETARY REMARKED THAT HE HOPED KOZYREV WILL MAKE CLEAR TO PRESIDENT YELTSIN THAT PRESIDENT CLINTON HAD BEEN FAITHFUL TO THE PROMISES HE HAD MADE ON THIS SUBJECT DUMA RACE 11 THE SECRETARY ASKED KOZYREV TO VENTURE A PREDICTION ON HIS UPCOMING ELECTION CLAIMING TO BE A BIT ABOUT MAKING PREDICTIONS KOZYREV SAID HE BELIEVES HE IS NOT TOTALLY WITHOUT CHANCES OF WINNING - -T BUT THAT BEING OUT OF THE COUNTRY REDUCES THOSE - CHANCES NOW THE SCHEDULE IS MADE EVEN WORSE BY THE NEED TO GO TO PARIS MERE GENERALLY HE SAID 43 BLOCS PAGE 06 STATE 285017 1119372 ARE RUNNING IN THE ELECTION THE COMMUNISTS AND NATIONALISTS ZHIRINOVSKIY AND LEBED SEEM TO HAVE THE BEST PROSPECTS ALTHOUGH RUSSIA HAS NO RELIABLE POLLS LIKE GALLUP THIS IS THE BAD NEWS THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT CHERNOMYRDIN HAS A CHANCE IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMENT WISHING KOZYREV WELL THE MINISTER EXPRESSED APPRECIATION BUT NOTED THAT ANY PUBLIC STATEMENT COULD BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE CFE 12 TURNING TO CFE THE SECRETARY SAID WE HAD WELCOMED SUPPORT FOR THE STATEMENT ISSUED IN VIENNA ON NOVEMBER 17 NOW WE MUST COMPLETE THE AGREEMENT AS HE HAD OBSERVED AT THE PREVIOUS DAYRS NAC IT IS IMPORTANT TO TRY TO GET THIS DONE BY FEBRUARY NIS COORDINATOR COLLINS SAID WE HAD MADE GOOD PROGRESS IN REACHING AGREEMENT ON A MAP FIX AS THE APPROACH THAT CAN BRING UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED Case Number 200201166 ABOUT A RESOLUTION OF THE ISSUE IN RECENT TALKS WE LARGELY HAVE AGREED ON THE MAP BUT WE HAVE YET T0 COMPLETE WORK ON DEFINING THE OFFSETTING MEASURES THAT MUST ACCOMPANY ANY CHANGE IN THE FLANK MAP TO ACHIEVE THE SUPPORT OF ALL THIRTY STATE PARTIES TO THE TREATY KOZYREV ACKNOWLEDGED THE NEED TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE SOON AND TO PRESERVE THE POSITIVE WORKING TONE OF THE TALKS WE SHOULD AVOID ENGAGING IN NOISY POLEMICS CHECHNYA PAGE 07 STATE 285017 1119372 13 THE SECRETARY NOTED THAT CHECHNYA IS AGAIN COMING TO OUR ATTENTION BECAUSE OF A CLIMATE OF INCREASING VIOLENCE ALTHOUGH WE ARE HOPING FOR PROGRESS SEEM TO MOVING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION KOZYREV RESPONDED THAT THE GOVERNMENT FINDS ITSELF IN A CATCH-22 ON THE ONE HAND THE ESCALATION OF VIOLENCE IS STIMULATED BY PREPARATIONS FOR ELECTIONS ON THE 1 OTHER HAND THERE IS NO WAY TO LAY A FOUNDATION FOR A POLITICAL SETTLEMENT WITHOUT HOLDING ELECTIONS FOR THE AUTHORITY AND LEGAL FRAMEWORK THAT WOULD PERMIT NEGOTIATION OF A SETTLEMENT RUSSIAN BANKS 14 THE SECRETARY NOTED HE HAD RECEIVED LETTER ABOUT REGISTRATION OF RUSSIAN BANKS IN THE UNITED STATES HE ASSURED KOZYREV THAT WE WILL WORK WITH THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT TO RESPOND WITHIN THE LIMITS OF OUR LAWS AND REGULATIONS KOZYREV THANKED THE SECRETARY FOR HIS EFFORTS AND FOR HIS PROMPT REPLY TO EARLIER LETTER THE PROBLEM HAD ARISEN IN PART BECAUSE RUSSIAN BANKS DO NOT KNOW WHAT STATUS THEY NEED OR WANT ABM TREATY 15 KOZYREV RAISED THE STATUS OF TALKS ON THE ABM DEMARCATION AGREEMENT AND FOLLOW-UP TO HYDE DISCUSSIONS ON THAT SUBJECT COLLINS INFORMED HIM THAT OUR NEGOTIATING TEAM HAD INSTRUCTIONS TO MEET WITHIN THE UNCLASSIFIED Page 5 Page 5 UNCLASSIFIED Case Number 200201166 PAGE 08 STATE 285017 1119372 FRAMEWORK OF THE SCC TO SEEK PROGRESS ON THE BASIS OF THE PRINCIPLES AGREED TO IN MOSCOW IN MAY AND SUBSEQUENT UNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT THE BASIS FOR FURTHER NEGOTIATIONS BOSNIA 16 IN CLOSING THE SECRETARY RETURNED TO THE IMPORTANCE OF THE INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT ACHIEVED IN DAYTON KOZYREV SAID HE SHARED THE ASSESSMENT AND ASKED ABOUT THE PROSPECTS FOR CONGRESSIONAL ACTION ON IFOR THE SECRETARY EXPLAINED THE ON IFOR CONSIDERATION IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE UNDERSCORING THAT THE PRESIDENT IS DETERMINED TO PROCEED WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF THE AGREEMENT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS NOW RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM FORMER PRESIDENTS BUSH AND THAT WILL HELP STRENGTHEN SUPPORT AMONG REPUBLICANS IN THE END HE SAID CONGRESS LIKELY WILL PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR OUR TROOPS BUT IN A WAY THAT MAKES CLEAR THAT THE DECISION TO ENGAGE OUR FORCES WAS PRESIDENTIAL '17 KOZYREV THANKED THE SECRETARY FOR THE MEETING AND EXPRESSED HIS PERSONAL ADMIRATION FOR THE CONTRIBUTION IN BRINGING ABOUT THE DAYTON AGREEMENT DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER INVANOV HAD TOLD HIM THE CRITICAL ROLE THE SECRETARY HAD PLAYED KOZYREV ALSO EXPRESSED APPRECIATION THAT THE SECRETARY HAD CALLED HIM WHEN THE U S HAD NEEDED SUPPORT ON THE UN IMMEDIATELY AFTER DAYTON THE CALL FROM THE SECRETARY- PAGE 09 STATE 285017 1119372 AND THEN ONE FROM THE SERBIAN FOREIGN MINISTER HAD BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL IN MAKING THE CASE TO PRESIDENT YELTSIN THAT RUSSIA HAD TO SUPPORT ACTION ON THE RESOLUTIONS IN ORDER TO BUTTRESS RESULT CHRISTOPHER END OF DOCUMENT UNCLASSIFIED Page 6 Page 6                     National Security Archive    Suite 701  Gelman Library  The George Washington University    2130 H Street  NW  Washington  D C  20037    Phone  202 994‐7000  Fax  202 994‐7005  nsarchiv@gwu edu