1 This document consists of 1 page K 1 5- mun Egg 5917 1 ng pa 40mins O iro and O rn DEPARTMENT OF STATE Approved by the White House 6 2 5 65 Memorandum of Conversation 9 7 9 3 Ap proved in - 7 6 65 DATE June 4 1965 TIME 2 00 p m SUBJECT Nuclear Matters PLACE white House Luncheon Part 3 of 4 GERMANS PARTICIPANTS Dr Ludwig Erhard Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany Dr Gerhard Schroeder Federal Minister for Foreign Affairs Ambassador Heinrich Knappstein German Embassy Mr Karl-Guenther von Hase State Secretary Federal Press Spokesman Mr Hermann Kusterer Interpreter com-s TO MAE The President The Secretary Ambassador George C McGhee Mr John H Leddy Assistant Secretary EUR Mr George E Reedy Press Secretary to the President Mr Harry Obst Interpreter IZCUPIES TO See page 2 4 1 Mr Leddy asked why the Chancellor wished to have at this time a summit meeting of the Six on political unity since such a meeting now would not be successful Chancellor Erhard replied that such a meeting would demonstrate common agree- ment among the Five in favor of unity Chancellor Erhard said although it had been clear to him that there was a great nuclear potential in Europe he was very much impressed by Secretary McNamara's figures especially the number of warheads on German soil It was a pity that these figures could not be used publicly Ambassador HcGhee mentioned that the fact was often overlooked that Germany was actually the third largest nuclear country in the world Secretary Rusk interjected that de Gaulle had boasted in one speech he would have 40 megatons of nuclear power by 1970 There were hundreds of megatons on German soil alone today Even if de Gsulle should be able to reach that goal such a contribution at that time would be trivial Chancellor Erhard agreed SECRET LGROUP 3-Downgr8ded at 12 year intervals not automatically declassified as DECLASSIFIED Authority - '0 lun unlu Copies to S S ch EUR SECRET OD AmEIJr11 aLL 7ssr PARIS CIA Defense White House ad 3221114 51 hi 2 SECRET vs-z-tr 11 GE 2915 i n ri 611531 81 Amman-mu ArnEmbassy BONN 1'1 16 3 'Jlr 71                     National Security Archive    Suite 701  Gelman Library  The George Washington University    2130 H Street  NW  Washington  D C  20037    Phone  202 994‐7000  Fax  202 994‐7005  nsarchiv@gwu edu