EXHIBIT No 3 CASE NO UNITED STATES OF AMERICA VS REALITY LEIGH WINNER MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION WIRED FILEWCEW L POFF CLERK UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA File Number AT-2173732 SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name Source File Information lia iginan r SAG SAT RW UM OFFICIAL USE ONLY UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION VERBATIM TRANSCRIPTION Special Agent Justin C Garrick Special Agent R Wallace Taylor Reality Lee Winner Unknown Male USAO-08106 File Number AT-21 73 732 Recording Nam 170603 01 OFFICIAL USE ONLY 6 Abbreviations Phonetic Overlapping voices Simultaneous conversation Unintelligible sic As stated Inaudible Unknown male SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 07 File UNCLA A Recording Name SSIFI 1 31 USE ONLY AG SAT RW SAT RW SAG RW SAG SAT SAG RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG This is my partner W partner Wally Taylor Hey how are you Hey How are you Good How you doing Good How s your day today noises Uh it's pretty good Just got some groceries All right Let's show you who we are Okay well the reason we're here today is that we have a Search warrant for your house Okay noises All right Uh do you know what this might be about I have no idea Okay This is about uh possible mishandling of classi ed information Oh my goodness Okay Mm hmm So whatwe ve got is uh-again gotawarrant Uhm and I'm happy to show it to you What I'dlike to do is sit down talk you with a talk with you about it Mm-hrnm Kind of go over what-what's going on Uh talk to you kind of get your-your side of it And of course you-completely voluntary to talk to me Uhm we can uh-vwe can talk here Uh our of ce is about ve minutes away Uh if you SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08108 File Number AT-2173732 Recording Name' 170603 01 OFFICIAL USE ONLY want to-if you'd rather talk there then we can do either one It makes no difference to me RW Okay SAT - Do you have any pets RW I do I have two pets SAT Because you ve been gone awhile so d-do we need to maybe let them out and use the bathroom and stuff like that RW do Would you mind ifI at least get some pe shahles into the fridge SAT And we can do that too but what we're going to have to-Is it do you live by yomself RW Yes SAT Okay What we're going to have to do is we're going to have to go into the house rst and make sure it s-ifs safe We have a- RW Absolutely SAT -search warrant and so w we're a-we're going to RW Absolutely SAT Okay And what we'll do is we'll keep you out here until we do that- RW Uh-huh SAT and once we secure it we'll uh- noise then we can kind of go from there okay RW Of course SAT Is your dog friendly RW Okay so she does not like men SAT Okay RW So SEW OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 09 File sagas- swore OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name SAT Sothat's aproblem laughs RW Uhm SAG laughs RW However and she might uhm come towards you SAT Okay RW She's never bitten anybody She's not aggressive SAT Okay RW She's just got you know areally good growl going She'll probablyjust hide under my desk SAG Okay SAT Okay Do you have a a m-a leash or something where we could- RW I have a leash SAT Okay RW 1 can get her leashed up SAT So what we might want to do is maybe let you go in there with her And you're not to touch anything else you re not to do anything else but get the dog and bring it out here RW Yes I can do that SAT Are we cool We-w- RW I can move her straight to the backyard SAT Because other-otherwise if if we're going to have a problem we re not going to do that RW Of course SAT So SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 1 File Number AT4173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name RW SAT SAG SAT RW SAT RW SAT RW SAT RW SAT RW SAT RW SAT RW SAT RW SAT I understand Okay Okay Uhm house key House key noise We also have a warrant to search the car too Yes Okay Do you have a cell phone noise pause Okay noises And we'll take that and then kind of go from there okay Of course Uhrn but like he said we're-we're completely voluntary completely up to you on But youknow Ithink maybe it-it'd be worthyourtime to listen atleast fora little bit De nitely Uhrn Okay And we'll kind of gure out what s going on De nitely here to Okay -uhm comply Uhm so why don't we Her leash is uh two feet inside the door where I left it this morning Okay I can move her straight to the backyard Are there any weapons in the car In the house SEGRETWOFQQI OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY 1 File Number AT-2173732 OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name 170603 _0 1 RW SAT RW SAT RW SAT RW SAT RW SAT RW SAT SAG SAT SAG SAT RW SAT SAG RW SAG In the house yes What do you have I have an AR-15 Is it pink It's pink Okay How'd you know laughs laughs background noises Uhm Ihave a Glock Nine under the bed Okay And a uhm-a 15 gauge You sound like my house Okay Okay We're good then All right Just don't make any-any movements for that and then we're And-and Yeah Yeah lmean we're all cool Yeah Imean kind of obvious Yeah Okay OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 12 File Nanberi AT-2173732 UNCLAS OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recordmg Name SAT 011 You can p There' a-that little fenced- in area is where you can put er RW Yes yes and you won't even- SAT Okay SAG Okay RW you-you won't take your eyes off of me SAT And we'll get a water We can get her water and all that kind of stuif but let's-let's SAG Yeah she's going to been in there- SAT - -let's go ahead and secure her I think and then that way- SAG Mm-hrmn SAT and then maybe we can put some of your stuff in the fridge RW Of course SAT And then we ll kind of RW Yes I SAT -we'll go from there okay SAG Okay SAT So let's do that SAG Good deal noises SAT And this other guy behind- uh- SAG Go on SAT -is with us as well And we're probably going to have a few more people UNCLASSIFIEDIIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY 13 File Number Recording Name RW SAG RW SAT SAG RW SAG SAT RW SAT RW SAT RW SAT RW SAG RW showing up here noise directly Of course noises coughs Doo doo doo noises So we're going to get the dog and uh bring it out there 7 Okay I got her All right girl let me get your leash Leash collar I know there's people out outside UI Uh leash collar laughs Is that the only pet There is a cat She will go straight under the bed ow Okay noises Uhrn again- Uh- -doesn't like men Starting to see a trend here in background All right coming out here Yeah Come on girl noises Hey sweetie Hey sweetie Backyard SEW OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY AT-2173732 seeker mesons OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 14 File AT-2173732 moron OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name UM in background Hey you all come on out Found her like three minutes ago RW Yeah she knows where we're going Come here SAG laughs RW Come here honey girl SAG What s her name RW Nicky SAG Hey Nicky RW Nicky girl SAT Hey there She doesn't know what s going on though noises RW There you go All right background conversation SAT And you don't have any weapons or anything on you do you RW No SAT There s none in the car RW Uhm in the car no SAT Okay noises All right so let s uh hang on just a second RW Can I close the door for my cat SAT Yep noises RW All right good That's all I care about right now noises SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY 15 File Nuinber AT-2173732 seem OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name SAT Okay Uhln- SAG Uhm- SAT -so the only thing in there now that's alive is the cat RW I I Yes SAT There's not a person RW No person SAT No other dogs Okay li Uhm they on their way UM They re pullingup SAT Okay UM All right SAT So why don't we Probably want to get that stuff in UM Yeah SAT Can we put most of thatinthe 'idge RW Yeah it's all going to SAT We re not going to have to unpack all the bags and all that kind of stuff UM Okay SAT Okay noises Why don't we uh You want to stay out here with-with her for a minute UM Yeah SAT And Joe and I will walk through UM Okay noises Why don't they just- SAT Again just to explain to you we have a search warrant It's it's- RW I understand SEW UNCLAS OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 16 File NlEmbe AT-2173732 seesaw OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recordmg Name SAT -it's en route So uh noises SAG It's all right Uh just making sure just checking to make sure there's nobody else in there or nothing-surprise-surprise us or anything like that RW Yup SAG So RW I want to make this as easy for you guys as possible SAG Okay Likewise So hope illy explain things noises get to uh gure this all out and uh wrap it up pause noises How long have you had your dog RW Uh she's actually a foster I'm rehabilitating her so hopefully she can get adopted later on Uhm she's _a rescue I think I got her in March noises SAG Okay How-uh-how old is she RW Oh we don't really know She's one of those SAG Uh yeah my-uh- noises one of my dogs was a rescue and when-when I got him He wouldn t Uh I was the only guy who could touch him background 1A conversation RW Mm hmm SAG And this was-well probably three years Anybody else came in the house especially male he'd pee- RW Hmm SAG -all over the place But I could touch him and it was ne and it's mean he's seven years old now he just comes up to everybody Licks his hand he's great And so whoever had him before was a real RW Mm hmm SAG -uh was a real piece of work RW Oh yeah She was kept in a kennel and neglected her whole life SIS-SW UNCLASSIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08117 File Number UM UM SAT RW SAT RW RW UM UM UM UM UM UM UM UM IVY-2173732 snowmen NLY Recording Name 0 background conversation Hmm in background Yeah no if you have to All right Why don't we uh-let's get those groceries and let s throw them in the fridge real quick Mm-hmm And then we'll uh bring you back out here okay Yep House is cleared noises Absolutely noises These gloves come in Yeah Yeah the recorder UM going to put up pictures Huh The recorder Yeah there's some in the back of that uh- -suburban Is that going noises OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08118 File Nuf ben AT-2173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name UM No Then no don't wony about it noises UM I'm just looking real quick UM If you could step over RW Yes UM And just stop right there noises background conversation UM Yeah probably UM UM We're going to I walked through conversation noises UM All right noises UM Sounds like 111 SAT Do you want to just throw that in the 'idge And we'll just- UM SAT throw all these bags in the fridge noises RW Yep UM Is that- UM Got her SEGREIFWQ-FQRN UNCLASSIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 19 File Number Recording Name 170603_01 UM SAG UM UM SAG SAG UM SAG SAG SAT SAT SAT You got one here Yep Uh no that's it for the perishable Should be Okay background conversation noises the neighbors Mm-hmm noises See it looks like we might be blocked in Can we bonow your truck keys What you need We're going to be going back to the of ce so background voices Yeah Unless-unless- -We canjust move it noises Okay noises All righty There's a cat in the house- In the bed where-it was on the bed -on the bed Okay 01' it was on the bed It's- SEGW UNCLASSIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08120 File AT-2173732 semen OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name SAT It'll maybe go under the bed at some point SAG And the dog is in the backyard inthe fence Does-does she need water barking RW She'll be ne She's been inside all day with her water SAG Okay All righty All right So uhm would you like to talk here or talk uh- talk at the of ce RW Uhm let's go ahead and talk here SAG You want to talk here RW Sure SAG Okay background conversation SAG Uhm- let's I'm trying to think if we have any place uh-uh in the house that-uhm that we can kind of sit down that's uh private Is there-do you have anything there in the house that we can kind of sit that's away How many rooms does yourhouse- noises RW Away Uhm so there's one bedroom I do have a spare bedroom that I don't use that's empty I don't like to go in there Uhm I guess I-I don't have anything that s completely closed off though noise SAG Okay RW -except for thatback room SAG Okay that back room RW Yeah there's- SAG I And it's-it's completely empty RW Yeah You'll go in there There is one dog kennel cage Other than that I don't use the room SEW UNCLASSIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08121 File Nuimben AT-2173732 seem OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recordmg Name 170603__01 SAG Okay All right Uh you said you don t like to go in there What - RW Oh gosh it s just creepy It's just weird It s like an addition to the house behind the kitchen and it's always dirty and SAG Okay RW laughs SAG Uh we can talk back there if you're ne going back there It's uh- RW Yeah we can go back there SAG Okay All right We ll take uh there's a - there's a back room that's uh uh we can- SAT Kind of like the laundry SAG that she'd like to talk in SAT -supposed to be the laundIy room RW sighs I guess so noises SAT Kind of off the kitchen RW Yeah SAT Okay Okay yeah that'll work SAG Okay SAT It s too hot out here for- SAG Yeah and we're not going to s-we're not going to make you sit out here- RW Yeah SAG -in the heat SEW OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08122 File Number Recording Name RW SAG UM SAG RW UM RW UM SAG RW SAG RW SAG UM SAT RW SAT RW SAT I can make a pit stop and bring the NC down a bit too if you guys need that Okay All right then Well what's going to happen got to do their thing for a minute and then- Of course Uh- -we can go in do they need me to make sure my car's unlocked Yes yes We'll uh- Uh yeah -we'll grab the keys and Okay So Get the password for it What's the uh How do we open this Okay So you uh Just Hang on -press that There you go Okay SEW OR OFFICLAL USE ONLY AT-2173732 UNCLAS SIFIEDIIFOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08123 File NlEmbe AT-2173732 SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name UM What kind is it An iPhone SAG How long have you lived in Augusta RW Uhm I was here October 2015 to April 2016 uhm TDY And then I moved back here just past December SAG Okay so you're kind of familiar with the RW Familiar yeah SAG Yeah What do you think of it RW Imean 1willingly moved back hereas acivilian so- SAG laughs RW it mustbe all right SAG Willingly You say that-you say that begrudgingly RW Yeah it was pretty much Uh NSA Georgia was the only job I could get SAG Okay RW Yeah I was having problems getting uh the contract I wanted SAG What contract were you going for RW Uhm I originally- my big plan is to deploy as a Pashto linguist over- SAG Okay RW -and be at Baghrarn for awhile SAG Okay background conversation vehicle noises UNCLASSIFIEDITFOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 24 File Nmnber UNCLASSIF Recording Name IE 0R OFFICIAL USE ONLY RW Uhm but then they hired me out here for Farsi so SAG Okay so you're Farsi and Pashto RW Farsi Dari Pashto SAG Wow That's impressive RW laughs SAG I barely-I'm barely able to speak English RW Oh laughs SAG So RW English is hard SAG Hmm SAG Uh-but Yeah I noticed that with-uh- coughs especially here in Augusta it's-it's greatwith-forfarnilies but single it's kind oftough Like I can t imagine coming back SAT How is this You've got a password on this or what do you RW Uhm no there s no password SAT How do we-how do we do it Show me how to do it or tell me how to do it RW Okay SAT Swipe that RW Yeah SAT No security RW No security SAT Okay RW Yeah so SEW OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 25 File N Fnbe AT-2173732 OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name SAT But you don't have a password or anything that it- RW No password nothing SAT Okay RW Just uh anytime it looks uhm you just press until you see like a little circle and then you slide just a little bit UM Okay So it s- noises UM Did you already show her the warrant SAG Uh no I haven t I was going to-we re going to sit down and show it to her UM All right So we're going to go ahead and go in UM Okay UM Yep SAG pause As soon as they nish the pictures we can go-get out of the goats RW Oh yeah they're pretty bad background conversation vehicle noises SAG How long were you in the Air Force RW Six years SAG Okay RW Yeah SAG Hmm What made you get out SEW OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 26 File AT-2173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name RW U11 1 just I wanted to deploy I mean I learned Pashto for a reason- SAG Mm hmm RW -but-uhrn-that's just-those opportunities aren't there in the Air Force right now SAG Hmm You'd gure that with that language you could- RW Right laughs SAG -just raise your hand they'd go yeah go RW Uh no where Iwas in uh Maryland squadron of like 450 people we got one billet per year for Afghanistan and it was all-always airborne Not even language SAG And the-so I imagine people were just crawling for it RW Oh yeah and I don t have an airborne physical so Yeah SAG Hmm So Augusta Georgia it was huh RW Yeah laughs barking UM Is your dog okay Does it need anything RW She's ne UM She RW Yeah She s- SAG Ifyoucantell we're alldog people RW Oh laughs I know She's going to have her little anxiety attack Pause UNCLAS OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY 27 File N snbeR-AT-2173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recordmg Name - SAG Where all were you with the Air 01 06 RW Uhm just right after training went up to Fort Meade and spent four years there SAG That's a long time in Maryland RW It is And there was no opportunity of leaving UM I can beat you You know where my rst Air Force assignment was RW What UM Minot North Dakota RW Oh nice UM Kind of hot like this up there UM laughs UM It SAT For what a day UM laughs UM Yeah like for an hour right laughter UM Five o'clock on July 17 SAT laughs Right SAG Yeah I was seven years in DC and that was about six and a half too long SW OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY SAD-081 28 File Nambe AT-2173732 OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name RW Oh yeah DC pause SAG They keep asking if I want to go up there I'm like uh no No No thank you I m done with that barking UM She barman RW My poor dog I just got her acclimated to the backyard again yesterday laughter RW She was boarded all weekend so I was out of town SAG Oh Yeah might-might have to work on acclimation RW laughs SAG She s not-probably not going to like the backyard after being forced out there for a few hours RW Oh I know She gets so anxious And then we're like off schedule because she won't go and so I'm just like whatever we're going inside And then three seconds later she goes on the carpet UM Mm hmm I SAG Is she destructive at all when she when you leave her alone RW Yes laughs She s just a nervous chewer SW UNCLAS OFFICIAL USE ONLY SAC-081 29 File Nsmben AT-2173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name SAG Yeah my uh-one of mine she s ne you can leave her out all day long all she does is sleep and snore Shakes the whole house RW laughs Yeah SAG My uh my rescue he is We-we left him out for probably the rst two weeks He destroyedthe couch noises Clean through chewed it And uh three Apple power cords The computer power cords RW groans SAG Ninety bucks a pop RW Yep SAG Yeah I was-I was thrilled RW laughs SAG But Yeah turns out he's much much happier when he's-uh-if we got to go away for a little bit he's in the crate with as long as the other dog's in there with him then he's ne pause SAG Where do you do CrossF it at RW Uhm right now I'm at SEC Uhm they used to be over on Enterprise Court - SAG Mm-hmm RW -off of Bobby Jones but we moved We re over on Wheeler Uhm but my friend is re-opening the Under Box Uhm they merged with SEC things didn't work out and so now she's going to do her own thing SAG Going to go off RW Yeah So I'm just waiting for her to open to jump ship laughs SEW OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY 30 File Number SAG I did it for like six months and I hurt myself RW Oh SAG Just every single day was just pain RW Yeah SAG So I don t know Guess I'm just too old and broken RW Imean I always say I don't do CrossFit Uhm I do competitive power li ing SAG Okay RW And then I do CrossF it when it s convenient laughs But I do love working out at a CrossFit gym You know the space-you can't beat that SAG No uh-uh RW In between classes I just get -ee run of the gym SAG What's your uh So power lifting what's your-your preference on What's your favorite stuff RW I m just all upper body so bench It's kind of sad I tested all my lifts this week because I have a competition on June 24 SAG Mm-hrnm RW And bench is 180 Max back squat I have a back injury so my max back squat is only 195 ButI don't laughs SAG Still-still not shabby RW laughs They should not be that close laughs UM Uh how d you hurt your back RW CrossFit SAG 011 SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08131 File Nsmbe AT-2173732 seem OFFICIAL USE ONLY Name RW Uh just power cleans My uh pelvis wasn't rotating so I separated that side jomt noise SAG That sounds painful RW Yeah SAG I did uhm- I was doing box jumps and this hand just-I was doing it by myself hit the box and I mean I-I thought I just 'actured every bone in the body-in the-in the hand And I went to-I had to go to the doctor to get the- get the X-ray And they said so how'd you do this CrossF it RW noise SAG Four times they asked me Said no I didn't get in a ght RW SAG It's CrossFit RW Yeah Ithought I could see the bone on my shin from that one That s over two years old SAG Wow What was that RW Box jump Just missed the box laughs SAG Yeah that's a moment that you really hope did-ah did anybody see that noise Ireally hope nobody saw that RW I got so mad They're just like you ust threw a handful of chalk on it and then you kept going laughs SAG snorts That's commitment noise 0h RW So I do have to ask uhm just however- SAG Mm-hmm RW -this goes I m not making any assumptions but is this going to be like a I - UNCLAS OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 32 File Numbe AT-2173732 SW OFFI Recording Name CIAL USE ONLY situation whereIdon'tseethatphone for three weeks or SAG So we'll go over the warrant itself RW Okay SAG Uhm so we do have a warrant for the phone so RW I didn't want to make any assumptions or anything like that but I am teaching yoga tomorrow and phone has music on it SAG Okay RW laughs Uhm-uhm I could make do Like there-there are bigger problems in the world I guess SAG Yeah And we'll we ll we'll talk about that once we once we sit down RW All right pause SAG You have just a few chairs- like kitchen table chairs we can pull into that uh thatbackroom RW laughs No I uh SAG 01' we going to be sitting on the oor RW laughs Yeah If you want to sit yeah laughs I'm not big on n niture SAG Okay Uhm I wonder if we have a couple of chairs in the UM - Might be a couple in Chuck's truck SAG Might be RW Sorry about that SAG No SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08133 File Numben AT-2173732 seem OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recordmg Name SAT How long have you been in this house Rw Uh movedin sighs December 15th pause SAG Okay We're good UM Hey do you have any chairs in your truck Uh fold-up chairs RW Would it be too much to ask if I could try to get the cat on a leash and then tied- UM Uhm RW -to the bed UM Uhm I don t remember seeing any I think they're in the truck RW Uh just so don't-I don t want to be like telling someone in the FBI to keep my front door closed if you all are doing a search UM SAG Uhm What's that SAT I don't see a problem SAG I don't see a I don't see an issue Uh-uh where is the cat right now RW On the bed UM In the bedroom in the bed SAG Okay SAT Still in the bed UM I think so UM Yeah SEW UNCLASSIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 34 File Number Recording Nam 170603 01 WA OFFICIAL USE ONLY SAT Not a problem SAG All righty So uhm again uh my name s Justin You probably don t re Remember any idea of who Iain laughs So Justin Garrick with the FBI Uh this is Wally He's my partner Uhm so what 1 want to do is kind of explain that we you know do have a search warrant you re welcome to see the warrant you re welcome to read the warrant and then explain a little bit about it Now if you're willing to talk to me like to go through just kind of how this started and you know get your- your side of it and gure out what's going on here Okay Does that sound sound good to you RW Okay SAG Okay RW Yes SAG Uhm so I m going to take-uh right here I m going to take uh-notes uh just random basis Got to take notes background conversation SAG So uhm what is your date of birth Kw SAG Okay And your Social aw - SAG Uh do you need water or anything Are you RW 1 uhm SAG thirsty You re what if you need water shout it out RW Okay I ll let youknow SAG Are you thirsty RW Not right now OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08137 File Nuinbe INF-2173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name 170603_01 SAG Okay RW I Thanks SAG All right Uh if you need to use the restroom any of that let me know It's not a big deal Okay And uh you've been living at this address here since December RW Fifteenth SAG Fifteenth of 201 6 RW Yes SAG Okay And where were you born RW Alice Texas SAG Alice like- SAT Like- background conversation RW Like the name yeah SAG Like the name Okay And currently uh you're employed as a g uh contract-uh-linguist with Pluribus RW Yes SAG Okay How long have you been employed by them RW I started on 9 February 2017 SAG Okay And where are you currently assigned RW Currently assigned Like the uh NSA 21 code or SAG Uh just-you can-you can tell me the building RW Okay SAG Because we have- RW White Law Building second oor OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08138 File Nufnbe SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name SAG Okay So SAT I'm sorry what languages you said Uhm I-I heard RW Farsi Dari Pashto SAT Okay SAG Okay noises Any other RW No SAG laughs I'm kidding I think that's enough That's really impressive Okay and you live here uh by yourself RW Yes SAG Okay noises SAG Very hard without a table and chairs RW I'm so sorry laughter SAG It's you don't have to apol-it's your house Uhm if you-if you do feel like you know you want to sit or anything like that we ll sit okay You know we can sit on the oor Idon't care Uhm if you sit on the oor I'll sit on the oor RW Okay laughs SAG Uh-uhm-and I'm serious about that If you want to sit please I'll-I'll sit downtoo Uhm okay So uh again we have awarrant Uhm-and it's in-do would you like to see it RW Yes please SAG Okay OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 39 File 19111111361 I m-2173732 seem OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name pause SAT Thatjust gave us the authority to search It's signed by a federal magistrate judge This attachment Attachment is just explaining the property where we can search The residence the car and then you RW Hundred forty ve pounds you guys atter me SAT laughs RW Sorry I have a sense of humor SAG laughs SAT Okay SAG It was on your driver's license SAT That's right RW Okay I lied SAT Uh don't we all So Attachment which is three-four pages-just explains the preperty that we are searching Not saying all of that' 5 here but that's what we're authorized to search for UM SAT And seize UM You all laptop right here so we'll just go ahead and Did you see where it was UM Yeah UM It's right here And uhm background conversation pause SWIG-PORN OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08140 File Number AT-2173732 UNCLASSIFIEDIIFOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name l70603_01 SAT Any questions about any of that It s probably still a little confusing to you but RW Mm-hrnm SAT But I think as-as he-we go along I think maybe some of it will become more clear But just if anything- RW Mm-hrnm SAT sticks out is there any questions you have about that RW No SAT Okay SAG Okay SAT And we ll leave a copy of this- SAG Yeah we'll leave a copy SAT -with you Uh this will be your copy SAG Okay So- SAT Okay SAG -uhm all this-uh sterns from a report that we received that you had mishandled classi ed information okay So that's uh the broad scope of it Uh-my uh-question is does that does that ring any bells to you whatsoever RW It-it does now When I started working at White Law I had-do you know PKI passwords SAG Mm hmm SEQ-KW UNCLASSIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 41 File Number -AT-2173732 sseaswmosoan OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name RW Uhm I had a printed out email in my folder andI didn t have a desk yet so I took it with me uhm passed through secm'ity went to Starbucks and then came back and they looked through it and unfortunately the email that I had printed out was classi ed And they led a report for that SAG And when was that RW That was approximately pause probably February 15th or 16th SAG Of this year RW Of this year SAG So it was part of the PKI certi cate RW Yes SAG And you had gone to Starbucks come back and- RW SAG they checked-they checked a bag or- RW Uh they checked my folder I was still in processing so it was just uhm-ifyou're familiar with White Law you go through the turnstiles just to get to the cafeteria and back SAG Okay RW -So yeah I was- SAG So you had-you had gone to the cafeteria RW Yeah SAG So you were inthe building audthey nabbed bu for- RW Mm-hmm Yeah SAG Okay All right But you're still in the building SEGKEJPANQF-QIGJ OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY File Number AT-2173732 SEW USE ONLY Recording Name RW Uh-huh SAG Okay All right Uhrn so your work role there at- uh-at White Law RW Currently I translate graphic documents uhrn and then Yeah that's all I do SAG Okay RW From Farsi to English SAG Graphic documents RW Yeah SAG Okay pause SAT You're assigned to a speci c section I guess or a group Is that the way it works over there RW Yes SAT And what is that group or section RW Uhm it's the Iranian Aerospace Forces Of ce SAT Okay SAG Have you been assigned there your entire time there RW Yes since February SAG Okay All right Uhm is there any other issues or anything that come to mind that might be-might explain noises why the report might have been generated Anything that comes to mind-uh-like eh it may be this may be that RW No SAG No Yeah Okay pause Uhm-so-and you currently hold a SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08143 File NUPbet AT-2173732 OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name clearance RW Yes SAG Okay How long have you had that RW Uh I would say since January 2013 SAT So you had that while you were in the Air Force RW Yes SAG And you kept it through-through the Did you wh-I guess when you left- uh-left the Air Force you kept When did you 1ea-- When did you process out of the Air Force RW Uhm I processed out of the Air Force uhm December-uh four December 14th uhm 2016 And uhrn up until that time I had been looking at contracts to try to get my clearance uh renewed SAG Okay And wh when did-uh when did-uh Pluribus pick you up RW Pluribus picked me up-I believe they gave me the noti cation around January 11 between 11th or 13th Around that day SAG Okay All right So your-uh your clearance just kind of passed through RW Itpassed through yeah SAG Okay All right So-uhm as far as you're aware noise you haven t committed any security violations or anything you're aware of other than-than this PKI thing RW Other than the PKI thing no I mean I-I do print documents at work because uhm it's just easier for me to translate them by hand SAG Mm-hmrn RW Butthen I putthern in the box andthen it doesn't getmixedup with like my class notes thatI take because they're-like-I use pretty paper so I never take outwhite paper SEW OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08144 File Nsmbe AT-2173732 OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recordmg Name SAG Hmm got it RW Uhm we all-Because I know that sounds really dumb but that's just howl can do it now After that stupid PKI thing I was like no more white paper out of the building SAG Okay So you-you you said you printed out RW Yeah Iprinted out SAG Is there a RW stuff noises SAG -is there a uh-why did that come to mind as far as security RW Uhm it just I guess it always-I just think about-uhm-you know-having actual papers can't imagine any otherway to getthings out ofthe building I guess I'm old-fashioned so I'm just thinking about that And especially with the PKI thing-uhm-j ust making sure I didn't accidentally have something in my lunchbox or anything like that SAT Nothing got out of the building RW Nothing SAT You didn't care anything out of the building RW No No Ide nitely let everything get searched all the time So Ihaven't had any other accidents SAG Okay All right So as far as anything that I mean you're So with Iranian AemSpace I mean you're-you're fairly well boxed in so that's-that's what you concentrate on RW Yes SAG Do you work any other matters Anything like that RW No OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08145 File Number AT-2173732 moan Recording Name OFFICIAL USE ONLY SAG RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG Okay So uh-so you-you certainly-I mean-you have-you have the access noise and you have the need to-know on-on uh on that aerospace stuff Have you ever inadvertently either by accident or-or intentionally or whatever-gone outside your access of-as far of or outside your need-to-know on items Outside of my need-to-know on items Uhm I do om time to time look at a website called My Online and it is the drone feeds I used to work a drone mission Mm-hmm so sometimes I'll be in chat with uhm my Air Force friends up in Maryland and I'll be watching the mission that they re executing Okay Uhm so it's Afghan stuff Uhm-and other than that I mean just reading basic news articles on NSA Net Mm-hmm Uhm but I've never accessed anything that's like Okay Have you ever gone-gone searching for stuff that's not related uh to uhm to youruyour work role No not unless I have somebody in Maryland ask me a question Okay Uhm-and I mean you've kind of already answered this-have you ever taken anything out of uh the NSA facility I mean you mentioned the PKI but - Yes -outside of that have you ever taken anything out of the facility No No Uh whether it's a piece of paper Have you downloaded anything Emailed anything out No No Okay Mm UNCLAS OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08148 File quberi mops OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recordmg Name 1 70603_0 1 pause SAG Have you ever uh discussed uh any classi ed material with anybody who wouldn't have uh the prior US government authorization Who wouldn t have the clearance or anything like that Wouldn't have the clearance and the need-to- know RW No SAG No Okay RW Not many people ask about Iranian aerospace so I lucked out SAG So you never discussed uh discussed work or anything classi ed with anybody- RW Uh-uh SAG outside of work RW No SAG sighs pause SAT How's the neighborhood RW I did not look at a map when I signed the lease uh but I'm well armed SAG laughs SAT You seem to be laughter SAT What are your plans You going to stay in the house or are you going to move somewhereelseor - SEW OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08147 File Number- 4173732 UNCLA IFIED Recording Name SS OFFICIAL USE ONLY RW Uh SAT Did you sign a lease I guess RW I signed a lease and I would only break it if I get a deployment coughing SAT Yeah RW So- SAG Mm-hmm Have you had any issues here since you moved here RW I did yeah laughs SAG What happened RW Uhm I came home 'om a concert in Atlanta It was about three am and background conversation RW there was a man on the street so I was making sure that you know he could not see me go om my car to the house noises Uhm and I thought I timed it out well And I'm standing there at the sink getting water and someone starts knocking on my door-- UM Do you have a toothpick SAT Huh RW -and-at three am and my keys and my phone were right by the door where I dropped them because I had to pee Uhm so yeah laughs very glad to have 3 Glock Nine in the back SAG Oh Yeah RW Did not sleep laughs SAT I'm sure OFFICIAL USE ONLY File Number -M 217 3732 OFFI IAL Recording Name USE ONLY SAG Anything other than that RW Other than that SAG clears throat RW Uhm No There's this-p eople always ask if you want your lawn done and someone came and mowed my lawn while I was in Belize last weekend So I'm not really cool with that laughs SAT I imagine not SAG They're probably going to come by and ask for knock on the door and ask to be- SAT Yeah RW Yeah SAG -compensated RW Yeah I mean he's SAG sneezes RW If-if it was the guy I paid last time he s this little old man like in his eighties so I won t be like really mad but- SAT Right RW Yeah SAT Right RW laughs SAG When uh when did you go to Belize RW I left on Saturday morning and ew back Monday morning Just last weekend SAT That was a quick trip to Belize SAG iUh a quick trip SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08149 File Number AT-2173732 sseassmosoau OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name RW It was quick laughs SAT What'd you go down there for RW Uhrn I wanted to see the Mayan pyramids SAT Okay RW And so Yeah SAT That's pretty cool RW I didn't have any leave and I was just tired of waiting for the stars to align so I just said- SAT Sure RW you have three days do it SAG laughs SAT That's cool SAG Fair enough SAT Spur of the moment That s pretty cool SAG Did you go there by yourself or IRW Yeah By myself SAG Okay Did you do any tours or anything down there RW 0n the rst day they took me to like an Alton Han tour So that's one of the sites And then the second day we went uhm down the river on a boat and we did the Lemani Pyrmaids and then came back And then yeah SAG Okay SAT Uh huh SAG All right RW Saw a bunch of monkeys SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 50 File Number 73 732 SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recordmg Name 170603_01 SAT laughs SAG So you re positive you ve never printed anything out that was outside of your work role RW Trying to think SAT clears throat RW Because I know I mean like there's NSA Pulse and every now and then I print articles from there like as scratch paper Like it sounds really dumb Like now that I m thinking about it like the things that I did were really dumb But those always go into the uhm the burn bin SAG Okay What kind of articles from Pulse do you pull out barking RW Uhrn usually reference material about like -Uhrn just making sure like so many references that Ikeep having to re look up SAG Mm-hmm RW it' sjust I'rn very textile so if it's just like right on my desk I canlook at it instead of ipping through windows SAT Mm-hmm RW So that's probably fraud waste and abuse right there laughs SAG Okay RW laughs SAT We re not worried about fraud waste and abuse RW Okay SAGpaper Uhm but nothing outside of like Iranian stuff or anything else out of that and never outside of the building SAG Okay Reality what if I said that I have the information to suggest SEW UNCLASSIFIEDUFOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08151 File sseaaqimosoan OFFICIAL USE ONLY Name that you did print out stuff that was outside of that RW Okay I would have to try to remember SAG Okay What if uh I said that you printed out information related to uh reports on SAT Reality uh you know we obviously know a lot more than than what we're telling you at this point And I think you know a lot more than what you're telling us at this point I don't want you to go down the wrong road I think you need to-to stop and think about what you're saying and what you're doing Uhm you know I I think it's a an opportunity to maybe tell the truth Because uh telling a telling a lie to an FBI agent is not going to be the right thing RW Mm-hmm SAT Okay Uhm you know and again we're here voluntarily You're talking voluntarily I'm not asking you forcing you to do anything RW Mrn hmm SAT But what I'm asking you to do is to think So think about what he just asked RW Mm-hmm SAT And let you know RW There was one I printed out because I wanted to read it SAT Hmm SAG Which one was that And RW Mm SAG mind the-the sensitivities of the RW Sensitivity UNCLASSIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY File Numberz-AT-2173732 SW UN 0R0 Recording Name CLA FFICIAL USE ONLY SAG Can you remember what day you printed it out pause RW I might mess up the date but late-late March early A rst two weeks of April SAG First two weeks of April SAT And what was it RW It was a cough it was an NSA Pulse article about RW And yeah I did-I did print that one out SAG Okay Uhm why uh why did you print that one out RW Uhm I wanted to read it and I just I-the way I downloaded it itjust was hard for me to read and I wanted to just look at it because-it looked like a piece of history SAG Mm-hmm RW You know Uhm so I wanted to have that on my desk for like a day SAG Okay Did you uh how did you nd it RW Uhm so when you open up Pulse it has the- SAG clears throat RW -uhrn there's a little window at the top right that says uhm top articles SAG Mm hmm RW And sometimes I scan those Uhm I don't know if you saw the one about the miniature ponies but that one was uh- SEGREW OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY 53 File Emmi- 4173732 sesame OFFICIAL USE ONLY Name SAG I missed that one SAT laughs RW Yeah it was number one for like a year so SAG snorting noise RW obviously I go to check that now to make sure any other gems and then that one was right there And you know just-I saw on the news and I was like I wantto readthis And Yeah SAG Okay And what did you do with the article RW Ikept it on my desk for like three days Uhm I'm goingto be honest I read like half of it I don't-it was like the stupidest thing ever And then I burn bagged it in the box that's has a little slat on it by the fridge SAG Okay Uhm how about any other times RW Any other times SAG Did you search for anything on the - any other times RW Uhm that did spark my curiosity and so like Ijust kept tabs on reading those articles Uhrn looking at uh the was interesting to me SAG Mm-hrmn RW So I did read s some of those SAG Okay Did you ever go for them Ever go digging RW Uhm nothing more than like a laughs a ten minute detraction from work you know SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY File Number AT-2173732 sameness CLA IF Recording Name 17060101 Ax UN SS IE IIFOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY SAG Okay What uh what were you-how would you do it RW Uh just type in the search box - and then scroll SAG Okay All right Did you print out any of those articles RW Uhm let me think No The-the only one was just the one that was like SAG Okay SAG Was it uh what was the-talking around it What was the And you're pretty sure that it was late April early March Think about uh try to remember like details in your personal life and- RW I know I'm trying to-I remember that week I got in a ght with the boyfriend that week Uhm April Let s see March April sighs When didIbreak up with him sighs Maybe we started dating in March so Ithad to have been sometime in April Uhrn- noises I'm just really going blank on what week that was I'm trying to think what weekend what the weekend was like after that I'm so sorry Uhm- SAG No It's okay RW -I m trying Uhrn Imean yeah mid April is like all I'm thinking SAT clears throat SAG Okay All right What if I told you that I know that you searched for and printed out a document on the ninth of May UNCLAS SIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08155 File Numb lr3-153 2173732 Recording Name OR 0 FICIAL USE ONLY RW Ninth of May pause Let s see the CrossF it competition was on the 12th Was it really that late pause Uh I guess can't argue that Uhm SAG Okay RW If you if you know I mean obviously you know Uhm SAG Okay RW I m just-I-I can't imagine sighs I guess we're already June already so yeah It's been a really bad month for me so- SAT This would have been three and a half four weeks ago roughly SAG Mm hmm RW Yeah noises SAG Okay Do you remember what you did to get to that article RW Other than either seeing it on the ont page or linking it 'om another I'm just SAG Do you remember what search terms you might have put in RW Probably laughs I'm notvery sophisticated Uhm Yeah SAG Okay So you printed out the document you printed out a document uh intelligence report on-on this You you do recall that RW Yes I do remember now yeah SAG Okay sighs What did you do with that document RW Like I said kept it on my desk for three days because Ijust-I thought it was interesting and I thought I would read it And then I said no and I need to not leave it out on my desk so OFFICIAL USE ONLY File mom OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name SAG Mm-hmm RW -put it in the bum bag SAG You put it in the bum bag RW Yeah SAG Okay where's the burn bag RW Okay so the bum bags are sighs in the break rooms and they're this little white box with the slat and it's one over from the idge SAG Okay RW In White Law SAG So you just you slide it in there and then RW You slide it in there yeah- SAG And then it's taken care of RW Yeah SAG Okay RW It's SAG All right Reality are you sure that's what you did with it RW Yes SAG You re positive RW Yes SAT You didn't take it out of the building RW No UNCLASSIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY File Number AT-2173732 SEW UN Recording Name AS OFFICIAL USE ONLY SAG Okay You didn't take it out of the building and give it to anybody else RW No SAG You didn't send it RW No SAG You didn't send it to anyone RW No SAG Okay SAT sighs SAG Reality uh can you guess how many people might have printed out that document RW No SAG It's not many That document has made it outside Okay Obviously because we're here RW Obviously yeah Crap SAG The most likely candidate by far and away is you Now I don t- sigh don't think you are you know a big bad master spy okay I don't I don't think that I think that-I've looked at the evidence noises and it s compelling Now I'm not sure why you did it and I'm curious as to that but I think you might've been angry over everything that's going on politics wise Because you can't turn on the-you can't tum on the TV without getting pissed off 01' at least WORN OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08158 File Number -AT-2173732 sameness OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name I can t And I think you might ve made a mistake Now why I'm here and why I want to talk to you is to gure out the why behind this okay So I ask you again-did you take it out and send it RW I didn't I put it in the burn bag SAT sighs RW I mean I m trying to deploy I m not trying to be a whistleblower That's crazy SAG Hmrn So how would you think that a document would end up getting out RW I-I mean mean l let's let's be little to no security on documents Nobody pats you down SAG Mm hmm RW You know and we talk about it all the time because it s like oh I have to show my food Oh you eat so healthy like every day you know A-and people about it at work You've got a building full of geniuses right Like just I guess I'm nervous and talking but no I mean the l that's the last thing I would've wanted to do with that Especially with you know right now trying to get somewhere else trying to increase my clearance SAG Mm-hmm RW You know It was an article on- and it was very sensitive and I thought I would be cool if I had it on my desk for a couple days SAG Okay But you remember-you said you remember putting it in the burn in the burn bag Sliding it in there RW Yeah SAG Okay SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08159 File -AT-2173732 SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recordmg Name RW Folded in half I mean I remember it SAG Folded in half RW Yeah uh it's-it-because it didn t-yeah I folded it in half SAG sighs Okay What if I tell you that that document folded in half made its way I outside of pause RW I don't-I don't know - that SAG It made its way- SAT clears throat SAG -out in an envelope post-marked Augusta Georgia See things are starting to get a little Speci c RW Okay SAG It made its way to an online news source that you subscribe to Getting really speci c So I'm going to ask you again pause SAG What is very very very compelling I'd like to know the reason because I don't think-I don't think you make it a habit out of this at all At all I really do I think you just messed up Now I'm not quite sure why you did it and SEW OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08160 File Numb AT-2173732 UNCLAS SIFIEDIIFOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name I'd like to hear from you on that but w-the what and the how is-would you agree looks aw illybad RW It looks really bad pause SAG If you're angry about what's going on if there's something that Look you've had a good career You have If there's something that just pushed you over the edge on this now is the perfect time This is a podium SAT You know like he said don't think we're coming in here to say you re some big bad mastermind- RW All right SAT -pr01i c spy kind of thing think what we both think is that maybe you made a mistake Maybe you weren't thinking for a minute Maybe you got angry like he said I mean What I'm hoping If that's-that's the case then that makes us feel a little better knowing that we don t have a-a real serious problem here You know uh-uh that's something that concerns us too this isn t an ongoing problem But we need to gure it out And if it was amistake let's deal with it pause UM Is this-is this a room Is that a room background conversation SAGthe o ice RW Folded in half in my pantyhose SAG Okay sighs And what did you do with it OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 6 1 File Number AT-2173732 SW UNCLASSIF OR 0 Recording Name FFICIAL USE ONLY RW Put it in an envelope and sent it to SAT Anybody speci cally there pause RW I don't think I put a name on it Ijust put- SAT Hadyoucormnunicatedwith prior to you doing that With - RW No I wasn't trying to-wasn't trying to be a Snowden or anything SAT And that's what-I don t think you were either I really don't And that's But uh I-I think you made a mistake But I th-th-I don t think either one of us think you're n'ying to be Snowden RW No it was just that one document because like you said in the SAT Right Mm RW The proof that y ou know And I guess it's just been hard at work because And I've-I've filed formal complaints about them having 0x news on youknow Uh just atleast for God's sake putAl azeera on oraslideshow with people s pets I've tried everything to get that changed SAT That would probably be a good thing Unfortunately it doesn t matter side you re watching I think they're all laughing pretty bad- RW Yeah SAT right now but RW Just SAG Uh SAT think thepets may bethe wayto go UNCLASSIFIEDHFOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08162 File Nuslbe AT-2173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name noises RW The pets would have been great Uhm but ust having that every day and then SAT Right RW Yeah SAT Where did you mail it from RW The mailbox is on Bastonne Road SAT Okay -RW It's in a shopping center with a bank and an Earth Fare grocery store SAT Okay I know where you're talking about RW Uhm intersection of Bastonne and Furys Ferry SAT Furys Ferry Okay SAG Mm hrnm RW I can never say that Furys Ferry SAT And it was just a mailbox sitting out in the middle of the parking lot RW Metal box yeah SAT Okay SAG Okay RW And uhm it was SAT Do you remember what day that was RW sighs What day ofthe week was the ninth SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08163 File SEW UNCLAS OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name 170603_Ol SAT sighs Let's see it's SAG We'll check Do you need some water or something noise RW I would like some water once I nd out what day of the week it was SAG Okay SAT Let's see I want to say it was can gure out this crazy phone I want to say it was a Tuesday SAG coughs RW Tuesday SAT It was a Tuesday RW Tuesday SAG Is there something signi cant about- SAT Uh-- SAG -the ninth in other ways RW No The ninth must have just been the rst day I saw it Uhm sighs SAT So you RW I the 11th or the 12th If I subbed yoga on the night of the I 1th then my yoga studio is right there SAT 30 it would've been Thursday or Friday RW Thursday or Friday SAT Okay What yoga studio SEW UNCLAS SIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08164 File Number Reco d' 170603 01 SEW UNCLASSIFIEDHFOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY 111g ame r RW It s called Oh Yeah Yoga Uhm SAT 15 it where Earth Fare is or is it somewhere else RW It's right across the sheet behind the CVS by the laundromat SAT Okay Okay There's like some limos SAG So- SAT -or something isn't that there SAG Okay Yeah RW Yeah SAT Yeah SAG So you you said you mailed it maybe Thursday or Friday RW Mm-hmm SAG Okay How did you know to uh-uh mail it to RW SAG RW Yes SAG Okay So you wanted you wanted uh to be able to publish this RW Yeah OFFICIAL USE ONLY File OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recordmg Name pause SAT Is that the only thing you've sent them RW Yeah SAT Did you send it anywhere else RW No SAT No other publications or anybody else that you've shown it to or given it to RW N0 SAG Is there going to be anything here that we re going to be surprised to nd RW No I - sighs I never took the document out of my car SAT Okay Is there anything on your phone or your computer RW The phone might have a I don't know if I deleted it but I'm sure you can see all of that anyway It s going to have a screenshot of the address to SAG Okay SAT Okay SAG You mentioned you want some water RW Yes SAT Yeah why don't we SAG I'll make it- Uh I m just going to get somebody out here Hey can I have somebody in here please UM Uh yeah SAG Uh do you want a bottle of water What s what s your preference RW Uhrn SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY 66 File NWIW SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name SAG Do you have a lter in the fridge or do you just want tap water RW Tap water There's a glass or a mason jar by the sink SAG Okay Can I get one person to just stand there so I can background conversation UM Do you guys I don't think you'll t in there anymore She won't t in there anymore SAT laughs She still under the bed UM Huh SAT Cat Is the cat still under the bed UM 0h she's a big girl SAT laughs RW Oh yeah We're trying SAT How old is she RW sighs She's three years now UhIn she's actually on my lease as Queen Latifah SAT laughs RW We re trying to get her down to like a Beyonee size ten SAT laughs RW But girl likes to eat UM Oh yeah RW She likes carbs UM She's got a little slim t on her OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08167 File Nuinben AT-2173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name 170603_01 SAT That's right RW sighs UM When she came out I was like whoa RW Yeah she will snatch bread right out of my mouth Iik SAT Wow RW -girl you don't need those SAT laughs SAG Water RW Ah Thanks SAT So other than the screenshot on the phone there shouldn t be anything else And there should be nothing on the laptop RW Nothing on the laptop I do have a TOR browser SAT Okay SAG It's a SAT Uhm RW 0V WhichprobablylooksbadbutL SAG What do you use-what do you use the TOR browser for clears throat RW Uhm there was one day when I was interested in WikiLeaks and then I opened it up once I shouldn't have done I was in between obs ust had gotten out of the Air Force and uhm I opened it u I was at a Starbucks And it was just I guess I was really underwhelmed There was just nothing there laughs I was like oh OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08168 File Nsmbe AT-2173732 SEW UNCLASSIFIEDIIFOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name 170 603_Ol SAG laughs RW don'tknow how you can make use of this shit but okay SAG laughs RW Uhm so yeah that's why have a TOR browser on the laptop 1 don't think 1 used it again SAG Okay RW It was just more b-you hear so much about it SAT Right RW I couldn t help it SAG Oh yeah SAT Most de nitely RW Like soon as I was out of the Air Force was like that's what I'm going to o SAG Yeah it's- RW laughs SAG -it s am-it's amazing how many people it's like I got to go see Um RW laughs Yeah Great SAG The-your computer has a noises password on it Uh would you mind giving us the password RW Six seven eight capital SAG Okay pause SAT sighs SEW UNCLASSIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08169 File Number- 4173732 0 Recording Name FFICIAL USE ONLY SAG Have you had any contact with anyone from Have you tried to reach out RW No I - Yeah it just sighs Li-like you said I just I-I saw the article and was like I don't understand why this isn't a thing And it I ust - SAT It made you mad RW It made me very mad and- SAT Sure RW -it's right there Uhm and I don't care about I-Ijust I guess I didn't care about like myself at that point and ust Yeah noises I guess- Yeah I screweduproyally SAG Well sighs noises that uhm like I said before I don't 1 don t see you-I believe you when you say that you didn't take anything else I do Ithink you made a mistake RW Mm hmm Yeah Uhm- SAG Has have you ev er-b efore you were here when you were Uhm Actually this wasn't necessarily before you were here It depends on your TDY Uh wherever you Like where did you nish up in the Air Force Like in November of this past year RW In November when I out-processed I was up in Fort Meade SAG Okay Uhm Did you ever have any-do anything with a thumb drive RW Mm sighs background conversation RW Thumb drive sighs SAG Shortly before you left RW Shortly before I left sighs pause Yeah Iwas curious to see what would happen and the administrator thing popped up and I was like okay whatever and then threw the dumb thumb drive away SAG Okay so you-you put a thumb drive into one of the computers UNCLASSIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08170 File Nuwbe AT-2173732 sseasrmosom UNCLASSIFIEDIIFOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name RW Mm-hmm SAG What was the classi cation on the computer RW It was Secret SAG It was a Secret computer RW Yeah SAG Okay Uhm You said you were curious Why were you curious RW I guess I wanted to see how people were getting unclass pictures onto the high side Like I thought I would gure it out SAG You-you guess or RW laughs SAG I mean - RW Yeah SAG You're equivocating on that 80 30 Because you were just about to leave so what's the point of RW I've- SAG -plugging a thumb drive in a computer You see where I'm going with this RW Yeah I just Yeah I gured if there was a day to try to gure that out I mean Yeah But SAG Did you put anything onto the thumb drive RW No SAG Did you plan on putting anything into the thumb drive RW No I mean if I was really lazy probably my resume which had just more OFFICIAL USE ONLY 71 File AT-2173732 seem OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name been approved but No SAG Okay SAT So other than this-this one document there was nothing else eitherhere or there- RW No SAT that you accessed took out put on a thumb drive printed and mailed any of that RW No SAT Okay SAG Okay coughs Uhm in regards to the document that you did put out when you did you realize that the technical capabilities in that article RW Sources and methods SAG Sources and methods are valuable to adversaries RW Yeah SAG Did you know that before you printed it off as you were taking it out RW Yes SAG Okay Uhm did you know that if that got out that those sources and methods could be compromised RW If they haven't been already then yes SAG Okay W-with that in mind why did you make the decision to send it anyway Rw sighs Ihad gured that 1mm UNCLASSIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08172 File OFFICIAL USE ONLY Name - that it didn't matter anyway Uhm honestly uh I just gured that whatever we were using had already been compromised and that this report wasjust going to be like a one drop in the bucket SAG Now did you know that that- in that report-did you know that that had been compromised for a fact RW No I wasn t smart enough to check that out SAG Okay And sighs you're-you are aware that sending-that does not have uh authorized access to classi ed information RW I am aware of that SAG And you were aware of that at the time that you sent it RW I was aware SAG Okay pause SAG sighs Okay Is there anything else that you want to tell me about Say Talk about why pause RW No it was just Yeah just that-that day that week it was just too much and just sit back and watch it and think why do I have thisj oh if I'mj ust going to sit backand behelpless and youknow j ust-itwasj ust noises Oops sorry Uhm yeah I just thought that that was the nal straw SEW OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08173 File Eben- 9173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name SAG Was there something that-that just kind of ngers snapping did it SAT cough SAG Because you don't seem the type to do this believe it lwant to believe it RW not not You know want-I want to go out with our Special Forces That's why I got out of the Air Force Imean that's why I'm here in Augusta I wanted my clearance back so I could get a deployment and it was just at a time when I wasn't applying for deployments Ihad you know seven eight months left of ajob that didn't mean anything to me because it s Iran and I'm a Pash to linguist Like what am I doing translating Farsi Itjust itjust - I felt really hopeless and uhrn seeing that infonnation that had been contested back and forth back and forth in the public domain for so long trying to gure out like with everything else that keeps getting released and keeps getting leakedwhy isn't this isn't this out there Why can 't this he ublic SAG Okay Were you surprised to see us today RW Yeah letually I thought that laughs uh you were people coming to ask about the house because it's still for lease online Uh SAG Because you did not seem surprised when we pulled up laughs RW Oh God well 1-1 have a resting bitch face so I wasj ust like maybe they're going to turn around SAT laughs RW And then FBI Iwasjust like what is going on you know And you showed me your badge right up and uhm I submitted a security packet yesterday uh for my clearance on So uh that's what I thought it was for I'm like why are you guys going to question me for my own clearance But SAG Okay OFFICIAL USE ONLY 74 File waeri-AT4173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name 170603_01 RW Yeah SAG sighs So RW Guess that's not going to happen SAG sighs Well sighs SAT Anything else you can think of Okay SAG Okay Uhm what we have to do is we have to do the search RW Of course SAG Uhm now you said that coughs I'm sorry I have a sinus infection so I sound- RW It's okay- SAG I'rn so I sound awful RW This is the best room to be in with it noises SAG RW Yes SAG Okay RW If it's there SAG Do you remember the site from memory RW Uhm it s just the- and ifyou go scroll down at the bottom uhm contact It it s not as obvious as you think noise SAG Mm-hm SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY File Number AT-3173732 moms OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name RW SAG RW SAT SAG RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG because it was closer How long did it take you to nd it Uhm uh-uh probably like three minutes of scrolling which probably felt like an eternity sitting in my car Mm-hmm Okay Yeah You said that the document stayed in your car- Yes -whole time Okay Did you have a-a-where did you get the enveloPe Box of envelopes is uhm in the backseat of the car behind the driver s seat I just uhm had a bunch of forms I needed to mail out last December so uhm they d been sitting back there since December Okay And the stamps Stamps There might be one or two left but I keep my stamps in my glove box in case I need to mail things out like bills and stu Okay In your glove box In my glove box yes Okay sighs All right Trying to think if I ve got anything else Uhm The-the search-the guys will continue the search Uh they'll search the vehicle and the house and uh uhm and the photo graph they'll photograph everything Uhm and uh you uh the search team leader is going to sit down with you and go through things that have been seized Uhm uh your pa55port Where is that My passport is it is either on the in front of the TV or on-in the center part of the desk or in the closet in a camou age backpack in the top front compartment Okay OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 76 File anberi AT-2173732 SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Name SAT RW SAG RW SAG Belize RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG that RW SAG RW SAG RW SAG Yeah Sorry Reason- 1 just these things Okay Reason-reason I ask is that uh you went to Belize Did you meet with anybody in Belize No I stayed at a resort Uhm a family of four Uhrn if you have my phone or my computer you ll see the emails back and forth with the family And uhm they picked me up took me to the resort and then took me back Okay Uhrn did you include anything in the envelope that you sent to - background conversation Okay So did you include any notes or anything like No Okay Any identi ers No Did you mm ps put in anything that would uh give them a way to contact you or that you were traveling to Belize Absolutely not no Okay All right So sighs SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08177 File NIP-lbw AT-2173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name UM background conversation SAG Do you have any questions for me RW So many Uhm- SAG Mm-hmm RW This-this sounds really bad Am I going to jail tonight SAT SAG I don't know the answer to that yet RW Okay SAT What was your question Sorry SAG If she s going to jail tonight SAT Oh SAG Said I don't know the answer to that- RW Okay Of- SAG -quite yet RW -course the search is going on Uhm in any case of that I do not have memorized uhm the woman-her name is Cathy-she works at the Augusta Humane Society SAT Okay RW Uhm she can come and pick up the dog in the case that I uhm uhm am not going to be here tonight SAT Yeah Well let's don't- SAG Okay SAT Yeah SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 78 ile Numb INF-2173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recordmg Name l70603_01 RW You know and that's SAT Let's don't get the cart before the horse right now SAG laughs RW Okay SAT Okay RW That's-that is my only concern SAT I understand i-it- RW -is getting her noises SAG Yeah RW -and then maybe one more phone call to get the cat covered SAT We'll gure that Out SAG Well- SAT If-if it comes to that SAG -if-if that SAT - gure that out SAG And I don't know the answer to that yet And I'm going to- RW Okay SAG cross that bridge when we get to it RW Okay SAG So uh sighs what else RW Well my green NSA contractor badge is in the oat seat of the ear where I left it yesterday after work Did not bring it into the house because I was lazy Uhm I guess I'm not going back to work uh on Monday SW UNCLAS SIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08179 File NuFlbe AT-2173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recordmg Name SAG I don't have anything to do with that RW sighs Okay SAG Uhm a lot of that might you gure that out so RW Yeah Okay So SAG Is there anything at the-at your desk at work that I should be worried about RW I have an Anderson Cooper photo that is signed It s not legit Uhrn SAT laughs SAG laughs RW It's-it-it-he's quite good looking so that is something that you must contend with SAG The man cuts a gure what can you say barking RW Yeah Uhrn no However on my keychain uhrn I can give you the key to my locker I use the locker directly to the left side of the desk only the top portion and it is locked noise Uhm if that is where you are searching lere's a grapefruit in there SAT There's nothing that shouldn't be like that we would concerned about RW Oh no Classi ed documents No SAT Yeah I m not- RW There shouldn't be any reports in there SAT I'm not worried album a grapefruit or a picture of- SAG No SAT -Anderson Cooper RW Okay laughs Uhm yeah other than that there's just a bunch of recycling OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08180 File NUFlbe AT-2173732 SEW UNCLAS OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name Uhm- SAT Okay RW -and a folder of in processing documents SAT Okay SAG Okay coughs Uh what else you got for me What other questions RW sighs Uhm pause I mean just I told you that I sent a report so Yeah And I feel like you're-ifI ask you like what's going to happen to me you re going to saythatyou don'tknow atthis point so that's kind ofrny only concern And my ability to keepthesetwo animals alive uhm SAT We're going to take If-if if it if it comes to that SAG laughs SAT promise you RW Okay SAT Uh everybody in this house will take care SAG laughs We're-we're not going to do the RW Yeah SAT Uh we're not going to leave these animals I promise you RW Okay SAG No SAT And it is-we truly don't know at this point Uh-uh you know he's going to have to go talk to some people We're going to have to make some phone calls RW Mm-hmrn SAT And we'll go om there Uh uh I don't know that it's really our decision at this pomt UNCLASSIF OR OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 81 File smear OFFICIAL USE ONLY Recording Name SAG It- RW Yeah SAT Uhrn SAG and it's not It's not SAT But SAG sniffs RW Yeah All I'm saying is 1-1 know uhm what I did and so At that point I'm not thinking about myself anymore so SAT Right Well why don't we uh start making some phone calls SAG Yeah sighs SAT So Give you a break If ou want some more water or something RW I would love to use the restroom How is that going to work SAT Okay SAG Oh Yeah SAT Let's uh let me s -let s see- SAG Let's- SAT -uh where we are if we can- SAG Here let me SAT make that happen noises SAG sighs background conversation SAG We just got to make sure that they're done out of the bathroom so we can give you privacy 75 SW USAO-08182 SEW File Number 73 732 Recording Name SAT Hey I'll stay in the bedroom She can use the restroom SAG Okay There's nothing in the uh in the restroom as far as weapons RW There's a nail clipper in the orange bag SAT Okay SAG Okay SAT I think we can uh SAG I think that s okay UM laughs RW Okay noises UM They taught us how to deal with those in the Academy when we were And we'll go stand here to the UM RW Yes Uhm UM You turn it off SAG It s still recording Well UM two 111 SAG Okay noises UM The ammo right next to the noises background conversation 76 SEW USAO-08183 File Number -AT-2173732 Recording Name 170603_01 UM SAG RW SAG RW SAG SAT SAG SAT SAG SAG noises pause Rock River noises background conversation Did they take a picture of that noises Okay So for one uhm we'll uh we have ap-uh wouldyou like to sit down somewhere I'm ne You're ne Yeah Okay Uhm Allright Uh obviously been recording I'm goingto uh-uh uh What s up Going to end the recording I think so And stop the interview I think so So this is at uh ve-let's call it 5 17 PM ceasing recording on June third end of recording 77 USAO-081 84 File Number AT-2173 732 Recording Name 78 SEW I 85 File Number Recording Name 170603_01 SAG RW SAG RW SAG UM RW UM UM UM SAT RW SAT RW SAT AT-2173732 SW OFFICIAL USE ONLY Okay noises Yeah we can do that Where-uhm- ust safety's sake where are the There s the weapon and the the- barking The weapon it's right by the little table with the lamp right under the bed background conversation Okay All right We can go ahead and go in Mind if I grab a leash Yeah that's ne pause Over here Yes right under the bed The cat's under there He s under the bed Or she's under the bed The in this case in here Yes Where s the other gun It's behind it more against the wall in a black case Okay OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-08135 File Number Recording Name UM UM UM UM RW SAT SAG SAT SAG RW SAT SAG You mind if Take it if you get the cat Yep Okay Is there anything else in there The what Didn t see nothing there Do you want to get your cat Yeah Uh thank you noises pause All right she's good Okay Good enough All right Want to go back here Yeah you can go ahead and go back in there conversation in background Oh this room is dirty I m so sorry That's okay No that's ne SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY AT-2173732 SEW OFFICIAL USE ONLY USAO-081 36