ag 5 1 335 f E EETH 33$ - 29 Juiy 2 August 1 73 Mr Watarf QentEEmen i am deiig% e 0 ages t e meating I waui iike 2a axgregg my gratitu e ts ES Q f ciaisg the 39th meeting was he d era a sc $he EscussEons were c3c$e and Fruitqu Siace SSE ch there have eam freguent visitorg ta bc h aountrias Secratary a Jasan Fareign Mi ister Sanada and PrEme imiater Oh ra t0 t e reside t Carter to Jagan max month Hin3 tar Yamashita wiII g5 a the US %ese creata mains undarsza diag in the security area Japa and as have exchanged Enfo and the maiamentatfcn cf 33$an U$ understan ing 3s weicomed Varieua stadiea under the guideiines are pre$e t y Ongoing Stea y pragress is being made HOW WE are required a daai with various grabEams in 1989 s kg geek a riaher partnership in foreign affairs and defense an behaif 0 ha apanese sida Eet me intreduce members a the Japaneses delegation Mc iffert Thank yea very much Mr Natari i teak hack ta last 33C with gieasure in the sense hat we accampiishe a 900d A let hag in the worl s nce than US eIegation gab aasfiai I agrea with Mc iffert wauid Eike ts ca p iment apaa g yam gzri es in ha 133 tw yaarss ate S nce t a 33$ SS gg garam zad ra ai aag wEtk i igzaf h ra gags ta asii gi a @ri g a szgr gaka a glga xgaa Em 2%ara avg gummEza 3% ha nergy sumai Jag a ff i gag aa igr $3 he aeri t ag g azaazive rasuits amergy ra agaes cama gas a g amat za y jagaa aa advanca ragi yg aggag ai y a3 ragards aigaga g are gn gigiszar S gdg g irava gg ggaa ag much furthey i waai a d that it is timai a the defense field Japaa has cantinged its axpanaia 8% grawth gar year far years a this Es very sizea ka Japan has recaga zed the emergence 0F t%e Soviea ac f c FEeet 85 a majcr factar in the wwri e hcga far discussfens a the white $39ar recent reiaased by the hank yea far year sappor in ha spkaep a BS farces in Japaa inciuding Iabar cu$t sharing vtilities f8$ d8$ 8$ and tha 33kg And we hepe in cancIusians that yau be very frank in raising any questian whigh yau may have in view of situatio sinca i978 Mr Ma iffart Thank yea very much Mr Ambaasa mr far year usafu cc$ments for setting t e tune For which i hope we can ve up to AdmiraI Meisner FACGH is lease t0 have yau especia3fy an gue$t5 Japan i hege yau have a goad t me aaiffert girst su jact is 5 hgn cuz gar taxi $333 ge t sy tiag hay aan aad wi g a avaisg a mge EEQ ach iaai arggme ig againgi 3t Baggage a this Eavgat buii a is a de at a the ra gtiagship etween an w at ii fazura $ aui ba 12% gig gain SALT is a cemgetitie Wa bei eved it sheuid be minimizad Na think that fa 3ure a ragify the treaty be dastabi z ng - Sacand as the JCS pointed gut it daes tend to sta ilize raiatiQns between super pcwerg nambers are stabilized which were net in 3 Yhe Treaty takes an first Step in centrGIIEng numbars cf war eads as wail as systems t is is espacial y fmpartant since the chiets have larger weagong threw weights as ta GS m ic% by choiee chase to eveEep smaiiar m ssilas sf higher accnracy Eeviets dismantia ever 250 iaunshars by 1985 US can medernize missitea and build EX as car respanse to increa es in Sev et agcuracy we can devaiop develop air Iaanche cruise missiies continue 8 3 on sea iaunched cruise missiies name a these are varificatian it is net based on trust of the Soviet ni n The 3955 a fac 3ities in iran wit temperar y 3 m t our Gagaing but ovarai verification is very diverse and since szrategia systams take years to ave cg we are confident that we tan etact aa reaga t0 any cheati g begara 3 cau affect the atrateg c baiance Egg traaiy sag magiraig egrams En whit gauntriag are i zaragted it c vgr $rwar aucE ar gyszams maiazai g 3a gay it aavgr Eate apaadea Eritig an fragc% nuaigar 2 ages at prayaat a gra ga mi $33 5 a 133% ag ayment a garage if th shaai sa acfdag V a pratacgi vagariaia tha a anti E933 ai it $3 Wang gr uga ham bafarg raggazgd anie affgras ta nsart a aa wtransfer siagaa in aka Eraazy g aase Es maraiy a measara a naurg 5 r g ask aurs 1ves w at are aha presgacts far ratEFisatim by he Senata Eansa su bqiiding takes time The initia round 0 bearisgs have given chance the a min straticn ta rasgand $he 35$ suppertg the treaty Atss distinguis ed pec ie such as AveraE Barriman a d A mirais Savior and Xi d Suppart it ather 999053 Eenry Kisginger testified tcday ere Is n9 repart an what he said ow 3 have the pr ss repart t at Henry K3533nger guppargs ratification gut uniy if the US Makes a bimding cammitmeat a increase defense apprapriatians Let me commeat an defansa programs Comments do net enly inciude atrategEC grogress Senazor ann Senera Haig and new apparent y Henry Kissing r hag stated that graater atrategic and can ent 0na defanse efforts by US are aow nee e Sinca this is an emergiag debate my ccmments wii be geraonai but i think my caliaagues wif agraa raferre eariier ta reiatians batween the US and the USSR that are bath coaperative aad competitive If wa ack at the competitive sid the US and its inclu ng Japan can autcamgete the Sav ats i resyects exaegt ane We cam outcampete them pelfticaliy and soc ai y their system hag as mag tism We can sure y t em ecanomica y i inter markets algae praczizai awasumar gaa s it is anaz r giary asgia a a bai g if g in ferc s i aygtam it is a anme regaarces Eata %agaa g it rig ziy zeag he $3 53 mmra in maigv ai img high EavaEE a iavastmaazg Trendg afe gminamg in that ssnsigtea iy far 35 yearg 2 9 Sav ets have hea ma er 23ag and uii iag mg sad whiia and have saa the ame g sa u a iis s as ta rasg ti ia m itafy rag g fayay gar 5 @8333 reaga gz aw k 333 94 9369 3 3 Li 3% H 1 E Same exgeadEtures y t a BS and its are wagted in at they are upiicative nr 1555 afficieni thaa hey shaul be becausa ef 0 ts ara not Siandardized 0r fatara era 13 2 Greater prapartiams a Soviet expenditures go 9 rascurces which craate aurg gags a peraanal saiarfes 3 say his a En iga a my View that giebai balance if aEIowed a cn t nua is a legitimata item a dEscusgian far gevarnments to be tancermed with Yhat fez me gmpwasize is a different questian from w et%er appropriate respense$ ta that s$txati n shouid i Same way be Iinkad to it SALT 3 after 331 can stand an its Feet as a t0 iimizing the expansion a strategic arms an bath sides and atabEEIzing HE Saviet reiatians in that reSpect Nevertheiess as sai aargier the debate abcut i mora than a debate an treaty itseif This may b3 one area where the Senate and cauntry may wish ta ra3den the ebate LaEtEy gammants an graca ure VRT the traaty he Semata can rat fy 9r efeat 6 it can attac reservatians which do not require ra eget atian bag guasg in gag i gtan which E5 a ly sgechatiaa is at wg sag exgect a $953 En #3vam er his aamgigtas my gragantaiian $3 i w i $a sggy 2% aazartain egg isagga aa gab i agrag w t ag ffar a Emgragaie E5 3%gra a imgfaaseg in afansa axgea itareg 63 a matte s urga raths aw 33 $9 aa waf 5 Sa aiar gmgai Easayai Sa g s a rg gigsi gari raiata 3 1 axaeg gt Egg giraagiha ha E55 rgtifiaai aa Mr Qatari Yhank yea fer year ramarks ccnserning SALT ii the 3G3 has aiready vaiced i waul Eike t0 exgress my haaks far yam vatuabie descrigtien and axp anatiga a 1 amd canaarns We 5Encara3y hepa far smaath ratificatien gust iike wa are iatere$ted in i weu Eke ta agar its main ahema i weu d 1 ke ts knew whether gray area weapons wit be inc ude Espac a y i have great interest 33 how US farward base system be takne up in a new treaty Hr c iffert First iet me express apgreciaticn for the 563 s suapert Am ansfieid raminds me t at she Javanase gmvernmant was the r5i gavernmenz to came eat in supgart a the treaty Thig 3 something cur gavernment aggreci ates very sincereiy n the questimn cf gray area syStems the Saviets in ShiT I and ti attemate to mit farwar based systems $he BS succasafuiiy resisted Qua 0f the reasang is that the Soviet Unian efined US fcrward based system as strategic bacause t ey cou1d hit the but Soviet IRBHS which cauld Europe but not hi 53 US wera met caiied strategit Shortiy aftar SALT 1 was signed the U3 ma a a dec afatioa that any future ifmits an BS system far theater svs e%s shauid be accompan ad by @3mits an Saviet t eatar gystems the Sayiats wiEI hava ia ahaadm hair that an y $3 t eater gygaam ha EE za 5 Egg wag Ea aghEeve whet er r tha E v az ara is 53 I gnaw %f 3% gaggz a$ wii ariag he g ag a gagizis an na z a5 gays whether farwar basa gystams heater systam$ msra ascarataiy aicrE e Sbaa 5 eaEt with iegava $1y r taggahay with geatra gygtamg 2 a ra a aamgfe gagiyg gg ha Egg 3% gm ma gas rmg 5% Fiat If LR $3mba I waat a 35% same questia 1 asied last year S d the Saw eta t ush ca F83 3% the Pacific yam take up F33 3a SALT Efi it affect an NBFS $3 this carrect cgiffart I am at aware the Soviets raEsed ayatems En Rothiag in the neggtiat 0n$ prayeni the taking stags it deems t0 e macassary 8 From steps which might affect arms Gen Lawsen It is aggarent there are same areag Of averEap 5atween HBFQ and SALT It may ha passib1a as we eve ep SALT t9 segarate nuciear axpaasio fram thasg issuea ccnaerning canvent anai feraas Yhis may provide additienai paISCEes an asFa watari It seems that wii be cancarme much more thaa SALT Ii w tb negatiatimns with SS 50 we waufd agpraciate it if ycu sawid prav e us rs y ur reqaast is vary raa e abEa i might teii a iitt3a g whare wa ara 3 3 95 is Earmga baggage 3 3% ha rmgn a gf ug ag eai ed Ehasa g nui e ms eyaizazig $ 35 Ih l f3 aama wa $ga 3% aaigi a sa aii a i k f zha 55 sf Ea ea 5 a E an QQ me ernizaziaa ava an affatt an t a gasiare a bai gi eg in S i negotiaziams in gay ve t we ke y ur raguest ga er a vigamemt i ysa was a k aw any mare a euz az i g 33% if r aa a game ta i w 21 Eriaf EEmi rg ggzayi might agi a gtigg i ig c ffartr Letis mave an t9 Euraga and RATS SREAK c iffert I want a briefiy mr 9 Eurgse a d aad gEva a averviaw a w%are we are an where w2 re going Savi t expansian shows igng a leveii g 05 But mmdernizatisn 35 expested as aantinue unabated This spring the raaffirmed tha gee a exgan ing efense exgen iture y agt mambers daimg a good jab an t is he US submitted a budget accardingzy but infiatian may have wi ed nut 3ame of th s ThEs put gresgure 0a 81 kudget HATS Last yaar devaiagad a isng term defense pregram $52 shangeg were iigted was decided In May in Washington We are mak ng gang an these summary has been previda t9 yeur deiagation i wmui like to make these paints Y Thay are desig ed ta ccrrect the coatrover y of neglect arising out of Vietnam and gervasive Soviet medernization 2 imgravements in are not taming at exyense a farces in Asia We intend ta camtinua at Eeagt the carraat lave cf ar es Ea Asia B d make gg arg haazfiy mak n eff rta 3 avars ma prc a g 9f g figia ay wh a aguit ff m fai ura a $ ara ara gsm l aa a ai tiaai grab am Ea aai gaa zry wa iiag $5 Q e a zai a er Ezg $feagg azakgs ara as fgg that wg avercsme Sav a averagan iag as sa y we easma mare affiaiamt La ma a RE $gyg a i iraigm i gay aa in agiraiizg a5 aha wag s gra a3 igterggt Ea g imps e 5 i wish is 3 ta Qi1 The Sayiet iaa ha as vita i iere t i area an thug 35 affcr a taka mara r35ks %at makes a iffiiuit $ tuat n evan mare riaky Thus we are canaar e abeut iasta i3 ty in Yemen afghanistan eta and Ea zaantrias undergaing great saciai and ecsnemic c angai Qur $$5psn$e must tak i ta a cau t reaEitias 9rasi ent Sartar has ma a hara c affartg 9 achieve an rabwisrae3 geaae Yhe SS alga made a Stf g respamsa 5 aka Saudi reqaa t 0 he t e situatian in arth Ye a Haw t6 dag wigh i t f al iastabil iy is a diffiuuit pra lem in which a as need a 1a tha 39 hawewer oniy the i the area thamsaiwes s ive pra iems a But ha 03 may be abfe ta previda the security engiraaw meat agaiast externa threat an that the coantries may be able 6 ea thamseives wit interna prgbiamg this cansectisa the qaegti n we hava gea a resafng within tha is whet er wa shsui enhance BS presance in area We hava had far 39 years a made t 6 farce presence 0 3 ships pius dealayme ts 5f carri r and surface hatt e greugs w ich are incraaged 3% times af vntik the fa a gag Shah we had saah a farae ariag tha f rst 33x manthg a yaar wa iatansifEe gar af mrts ia the Iw e 3a hat wa %3 e ha a 3% ha $srga %at aggma zgtiaa gam axziusiya y ray if 3% i a iaga a $ga5 Qda$tiy gar 2a ar gr a Samaagzrazg gar agatef g gra iff zaiz gaggi g ii raigg as 9 ta ma a a a 2 5 preae aa a grata aiatgg wag 35 hara at gfagenaa a gmag a a tiga iia iEEty egauga it 3 f5 attaak a ra aa Ara stataa 24 51 3 1 u'l - 30 nigf ifg aiven t at pa i ca1 Fag a Efe it seams that the mesi via ia alter ative Es ta inaraase aava1 deg cymants gaggasas centributian fr m be the Atlant c an Pac f c $35et5 S n a bath Japan an NATG era cancafne we hage t y w 13 think it aye t augh s ip daya say the srth acif c might be decrease madegtIy as a reguit Qatari As yam have 3gdicated stabi ity a the is VEtal 0 Japan SQ WE agpreciata yaur ef arts A5 ta military measuras newspagaers aVe raported ashimgtan has iscugse ca creta maa5ures inchding a Spec aE Farce wani like 6 hear year View an thig cgiff rt There have been newspagar regorts about what same cait a aniiaterai Corps thig is bad name becausa It suggests the US mfg t 90 it a30ne that 15 not in sccar with raaiities Far many years the Department of Befeasa has had a planning Factsr for pragramming Farces This pianniag facts has been figfting one ma or and 312 miner conf3 ct Such units as ha 829d Airborne 3 6 game marine un ts ave been th ugh of princigaliy aa units which wauld be most usefai n what i wou3 333 a Imited contingenay T e kin VGf ISmEted contingancy we hava thraugh a as aen in the iad a East gr Korea far examgfe ta reia crc 8% Farsas there So what you are seeing n 5353 reperts yaw %ear E3 mat 3 refera cad is tha taat30 a mew farcgg Eat an emgha$i$ eg gar part Ea axi g haga f$r$es gn better 5%33 a gerfarm w en hay get a er gvg ade gr grag in East faw yaarg is araa gea aag ta sgy 3 gza nEag far maay ssatEsgg 3 s agigh Ea rama a an ag is t%a act 35% wa hayz 3 E32 war giannigg t ia s caE ma 3% taggn ta maa t at we gateggarEEy 5a aag thing r anathar bat t hag gaa gf ac $3 the efaagt ans a azhers gag mar guegii a Ragay ing $rae a agzigag ig i g E iaa Sagan i lika a gr g wut 1 3 1 P giu lk' '5 a - Sm c iffert 5 ag t kaaw what yes gragrasg ter negnziat mn5 bega gisumstancas tha ge assive oviat aasistance was givan ta EtthQEans and we ta d the Saviets this was ccngistast with ne 0333t 9a$ That Situaticn hasn't c anged i wmn er whether you have a viaw if it wouEd be wiga a begin again 1F 50 wa wauid be 933d 9 hear it watari 1 think it is rather hard ts say categaritaEEy whet er sheu d be done a net w at is is your eafsien whether baiancs after negatiatioas be an the Wesaern sidea Sf 50 we wauld earne3tly supp rt it Ma iffert missed Nakaiima ymur exaEanaticn cf situatian g ersian ulf has given us much enasurageme t we appreciate year efforts Yaur have 3156 mentianed madality au menticned nava farces from bath At antic and Pac f c Yau menz 0na ship days in Pacific might $ craase Since frem cur View navai regence in Pacific is vita we are concerned if ear presence in the Pacific ecreagas i realize this m ght sound contradictary at i must express the agnzern a Jagan I am sure other A3 an cauntrieg fee i wauEd appreciate year act gfv n the imprasaian of ecreagi g year gresenca aa ffafzz we wi%% n9 emp as za E ga iiciy Chaaga$ ta ing giaca a var mg est 5a ggang a iy E wiEE at a gfaa gigaificante i i agg A mira g 3 ar cammant Qa g gr xii fata i gasza d3 aksj ma w ga 33a viaita haa gaartarg mana ena am Q an $9 a ag ayagnts a the cean a gar $33 659% 3 33$ 5 g a ta Engrease i Farce by 3 thaga agms ga acraage a iaym ntg game Esraga 3% z age g ahang Siafi g En ma werg ga iag aaiay a zg gag yaar 3%a we g uaa 45 net reduca the a ific Fieet fram pagt Eavels Tc 5% sure there 35 n0 m s tarpretatian Shara ycur casters a d wau d Iige to have a I tt e mere $593 33 defensg raw both the US 33d fram Ja ant Tatt i have a quastian far the Japanesa sida Has there ee gay evatutian in your ciicy an This bag 588% a aubject a cansuitatian at tha highe t eve1 cf goverame t ya appreciate your an aggreciate yaur desire ta mave at yaur ewa pace an yaur ewa geiicy infster Egaki has visit d the ME recentiy etc cauld yea riag us my 0 date akagima am sorry i cannct g ve you the mast reaeat news wii reitarate cur averali poiicy which theugh 1 wii 31k about Eater As you said this has been discugged at the highast lave Mr Esaki gust came back and i think there has been ma naw asgegsment yet as i will anly reiterate ear genega pasture we wi 1 e our atmagt ts stab iize the area As for econmmic coogeratian we wil% try cur best En epende tEy and with continuity The mc ality a haw we wiiE d6 this has a be develope 5 am sura we wifi keep your goverament infarmed but there is aothing concrete at this tEme Yegaardayg Admire wa sner when yen briefed as there was went aned of a tact ca air gaua ran baiag sent there 5 this correct ggi aar in ad itian 3 deg cyme ts a ghipg gar yaar an an Emgrgaae $8 we %a e isaussa 3a i crgage a gug ran epEsya yaare examgia gv s Ea Eaadi ya ia in Eaa i ra533 et $g avg ya g #8 nea parm sien a the $63 ccaatry e sner Sau ra ia was aniy an example azgriz wa ava Ia a em f 32 afterneaa 565$ 0n 39 uly 71 c ffartz Tha next tapic is the carremt Asiaa 33taat an i d t0 ail 0a ke Armaaost Mr Arma m3tz an cf yam knew mare than i e 50 wiE cniy ibrew mu a faw pai ts far digaugsian i wi1 make three Quick paints E Pciiticai%y an diplamatisatly thinguare gac 2 Same military paints are unfavcrab e 3 Thig puts gre$$ure an Japan and US bacausa $3 affects what we ara Iatarestad in 83 x e gos si e 1 sta daff hag net abate Co 1 cts exist but they pit cammunigt asuntry against csmmunist csuntry 2 Americaa miIitary power by Koraa deci$ion hasea agreement and cur orce pogture which 8enera Lawsan w 31 discuss tamorrmw 3 83 33gaa efanse casparatian is greater than eve b fcra h USvJapan ratatieas hiaa gauge t em act n a re traine maa ar E 3a gag fags am aver t%a crth washEagtaa Ea u g ya azia s gaa Ta waa a j $za xwa garmg izati s i 3% i3 Emgzaasa y rgSEEaaga aa aghagiana 3 Sagig a ecg amy $3 tf g mak sg tra sitian ta ig sen anaa w z cut um ua $2r fa 3r exzer ai ha gasv hagefui ag wa g aQE if 3% esg @a t g g g f i a Ea ger I - - 3 Growth a Saviat gawer there are savaral camganents a Qua titativa and QuaEitative impravemanta m the inski an ivan Ragar have depicyed to Viadiva5tak there are increased fartificatiaas En ortharn Territarias the acquisition of Eimited aperat ng rightg in viat am the prawisian of massive mi Itary 53991355 to Vietnam theraby iha ag r35310 in Eambadia 2 Eavelegment a Instab iity around the ind an Sagan iittaral and a 52rangar goviet faGthaid 3% SEA raiges qgegtiona aboua the sesurity of oil criticai to Jagan an SS 3 Prasence a 3% farces an Thailand harder pasas r sk that the VEetnam comf3 ct spit aver ta Thaiiand h Cenflicts 3a Indochina hava farced net only haiiand but Malaysia En onesia an Singapore 333 except maybe the a reconsider the adequacy Qf their defenses The refugee agart from t e humanitarian asgect has threate ed to up e delicate baiances in aiay5ia in anesiag eta because a Chiaes gmigrazion Vietnam 6 The S na V etnamese agnf ist aouEd racur in Karea we have scsvara Earth K rea ES stra ggr than wa thesght an tag 88% %ave as arreagt ag defense effarts $3 resgaage thesa afaa z v az gaags g n a%ima %a havg axgragga and gau t g iaanamesa natigaaiigm Ea Eimit them Ea E ng tarm we aged 3 saa ta it shat gays a kigh digie atfa grize far e trea ta Ea $tm3m Et aa erwriting a z e gaytg anagian a iamha iax A5 ua erstan the $333 raspense to VEatnam tagseraing assass t6 the Eaviets aha what t w 1 cost them it has been very eEgFuE Ccncaraing 3 dian Sagan we a raa y digcuased it this marning in game ways year 3aformatian may be greater than mars Iran 5ghaaistan etc USSR an of dangar 9f spreading @139 have gxgande 33% and syaede aha de very cf sugpart equigme t 3 We racagnize danger a sgreadi g 33 in shaft-term we want a faregtail retegnitica 0f the Hemg emrim gevernment and keep the idea cf an nterwnati$na1 conference an Kampuchea t same time wa are trying to heig ether ASEAR countries This is d f 35u1t becauae of C0ng essicna auta in assistance and becaage 9f apietfon a Yaur Japanese af to ASEAN cauntries has been aeigfa an in any ways you can heip this is heipfvl to With respect in China we think neither US 9r Jawan sheuld heip China create an anti Soviet Frent %e shaul encaurage Our cecperatien asbJapan and conduct am reQations wi h hiaa a paraiigl in Korea Secretary grown discussed naw ntel igenae that has caused a3 ta raeva uate ear w hdrawa and new must incyeage defemge sgendiag Eh y ava big infiatiam an Engrea 33 dafaase wii ha fficuit an yaur eig in ai an asgigga ag am waaid g eigfa g a yy afgg agi gaw ii ama tgata whai 33 b3 Egg gagging g a Em a35e ga zag piaa w a th $Eaaz g daEag ES imgra$ v% ag gtimaiate aha Enier at saai sammgnizy @ tar z E aa very rm aagzig gra$gnzaz aa ha a casparatian between as an Japan i cannat what he said 59 ail an a few ramarks $he Sina 39viet 3 132 is act anweicome but t is gomaw at dastab 1 ziag re says we $hauE aat be warried about one aammun st sauntry pitting tse f against another but this st I is Mike rmacogt said wa shoa d mat 3633 in China's anti $cviet and aur agpraach 0 ihina shsald be in pa t ca and eceacmic modernize tics wa suppart these madernizat ans but net military madernizatian We shauld encaurage Ch na s leadership 0 take a maderate coarge ta the autside warEd China s teaderghip hurry we are lacking at the Ehina-Seviet ta3ks i am 0 the View that China may be reiuctant t9 am ark an a Sacsn Lass n but same Chinase include Laa Shea Yea favar it T s is disquieting We weuld iika ta Spend same tima on this China's View is that they wauid Eike ta keep the Vietnamese werried so that the situation in Cambedia might improve RecentEy there is some faeiing China might g0 Far Laos Enstead 0f Vietnam Chinese might underestimate the We waui be interested in your viaw of the Soviet s scenario if China might again act the US and shaul try is uSe their fiuence is mc erate the situatisn because a Chine e miacaichation 3f the Sawiet f$gg giz S nawSav a 33k5 w- mazEva may g many fe uaa gagig may buy 32mg fa m y argage 35 eznam j a casy may haya ra s advantagag aait kink thay 3 ga $ar at aa way %a trying ta Eaveraga v 3 a v s the 3 Ky 31 we agg g Saltiva agree but I wea d 132% 0 bridge Hr an Hr Armacm$t s statementg Mike Armaaest mentianad aprea ng a as Matanabe mentivne the possibility of a Sacmad Lesg g$ we shoui n t wait far this 0 happen we couEd g heipqu Ea caeling taings 3y 1 aking it to 8358 t at we wi n6 have a plot againt them 3 That we want a soiutimn in Cambad3a to ease tensimn 3 We shsuld su port ASEAN thrcugh this per ud amb ansfieid Macanabe 25 Lee en Yen the one who has heen making statemants aboat the Secand Hr Matanabe He was queted in answeek as saying the First Lesson was net effective Amb ansteid Yam menticnad the Gf a Sacand iaa en in Lassa we knaw af ihinase read Sage xhe Chinese 33ft L305 83 iaatig g reguaata r are hey thera ga a a az 3 higk th y Ea ts i va a i ay $33 Ea EGkEng that Shi esa gau age ha same zaatias yiat am uge we nerz $r9m a gtaa gaim we dsa t sag in catian5 g near La gg it z ak 5 wagka gragara ar 2 3 $ rst tagg g Ehag Em agar'iafm g 3 gag g gragafatiang at a ghig is g gaarantea 3 3 Chg wi ma g E Ea gag fw w watariz 3 wcuE iika 3 ask rmacest ta prasent a ba1ance sheet of tha h mesa First Lassan against 3etnam eapecia3 y t am sgset t0 ha Was or met Armacast Az f rgt E Eaaked 13kg an asget Shawed h na'3 w EIEagnas$ 0 act a restrai t an $et am etc But new China must 100% an it as negative 1 Ne was achieva 2 There was change in Vietnam sitaation v 5 awvis Camhedia 3 it cause Vietnam to buiidup on Ch na33 order Q Russ a 5 effarts became greater Because 9 the abeve and becaase of cheaper aftermatives with which ta leed the Vietnamese i dan t thEnk a Seccn Les ian is ke3y in terma cf 3 caavantianal military asaault Hr I dcn t agree From a iang term gerspective the hinesa prcbably accepted the gests They wi not say we shcuidn t hava daae it They wiZE exg1a n it as ha tactic of the tima we had a T e T ais and a her5 may hava maaEu a at they had ts maka a ag wiih the 953% if a i a a mga gatg rs cum nis gmargi g fram z a gz sna Qa gra a yan aha Eavg aa wag bat i aa it a be $arhag$ i ig is an after 3 3 aa ua gar ags it saggaytg what Saii van sai Adm weisner esuaity wise b th si as experiesced the same injured gut new the Ssviats are aging viet am s bases mare bazh shigs an aircraft Saviet advisers went Frem 2500 to 5088 eta $hi$ must g seasidere %n the casts Armacsst $h s s a m us fer the 63 at least if not far China c iffert Yhere ara same differenca cf views an the US siae whaz is ymur v ew Varanabe watanabe My persanal vi w 35 that It was unfavarab e ta China dug to ha Encraase Saviat gresenca in Vietnam in ASEAR countries there was supgart far China Earth Karea caposed it but supparte Yhe at was a regponse 5 China s cred 51 ty baimg questiaaed in SEA Ray questisn is how we evaiuate the mi ftary situatian in Camba ia here is very conflicting avide ne we w0u3d appreciate year assassmanti dm _wef3nerz The Vietnam s ara gantr$i 8f pa aiat en casters and raa 33 a staace T a quastEQa 5 gag vietaam gag ih u rgsg near an m vtarm gugaagg 3Qa gaa T a Ea gwterm grasgeais are 3Q gagazig E5 mgah ai Faz @Eigaaza 2 5 amk iang aa haw far ian ambg a came ack agraa wia mirai %Ei$ ar grabiem t at the gmyia ai n g t grgyi e sugpart QEaz$3m g z gr 2% me xwam 2 What they da 0r vietnam a$sens what they might atkarwise hava ta d0 t emseiveg I wau3 apgreciate year views $3 ta haw we can mc erate Saviat assistance a Vietnam Watari i am as a Seviet axgert be 833 hag Fa ed a get it Eaian s back 3a cur power aga nst Saviats is Eim ted We wi utii ze aur digiamatic channal ta Bang and we w 3 as 9 try ta restrain Noscaw ayha this is unbalanca Hana has a3ways maintained they ara in apen ent and that the eviat presence in Vietnam is exc%usiveiy ant3 Ch3 ese The 3553 Vice yareign Minigter Qalubin was rather ha ghty when he visited akya He said there nothing wromg with port v sit5 Japan ma a his statement pub 3c an Ga ubin emaade we deny it He sai it woui get him in treubie with because it wavi unstabi ize reiatiana with ASEAR Watariz TEme canstraint$ shcu1d make mg wave ma ow it s Japan s turn ta aad Jagaa Sacurity Pc icy n 19895 attestar Genera Makajima will presant a repart iaad an my malleagags w 31 camaanti 35$ be apart aazas a QatarE 3 weigame yaar qa 5 a s ih ragertm $5k rmatggz 9 sammaat it was 25 gxcaiiant gas intarastiag grggenta g it hawg w aih %ava gEa ai ts aata i wag a aggura g u a gar Entaragtg $3 a a agraa a 2 EWE ffr- - - agree fuiiy with yea an ha abgaluteiy critics impartanca a gar bilataraI re atiamship and Eta cantEnuing a d t6 be perceived as cye fble by t a aa ES pu is ee ings 1 ka this hei ta ensure we as gavarnment are dealing with this fa best paasib e way Afmaceat i have a cemmeat or it was am mpressive rua ewn and a subtle agsessment a 9 65 which $5 usaful Yen need warry a aut us pressiag yam 90 1 have hea at this Far tan years aad our under sta ding has grown we are mprasse with yaur gutancmoug eveicpment We have bee encaurage by what you have dang and we 330k ferward to that 0rtiaaing ne other cemmeat Ygur list n sf isgues is Eegical and mast of these wiil coma my in discussions on bilatera pianning Cm cost sharing i share year views abeut the SGFA i only have you continue 0 interprat ffexibiy as yaw ave an use yaur accnomic pawer to hQEp solve the prabiams invaived with egp ng faraes cverseas Queatien many of year premises fur the 39$35 are far the statug qua what if ysu are wraag ike a fa agaihar Sa igmai Lei ma aggrasa E a gu tian ayha yaw are ere g mag r ava aiiam Ea h gki g Ea $3 Ea E g g hera ha gaigas n Jagaa far ai g wit aut angrnai tfmu usy far axamgie 23313 $ar axganaisn a Jaga gga ngvai arag tg z e id ia Ea t atc azafiz aagngs a aaga gr gra am Ea aa qgesziaa Eg a ata a war difficuit ta pre ict whaz werid 1aak Eike an years after but Sakajima s grajectien is cur best guess n a future sessisn i 5 Ni give my assea ment of Japanese amestic paiititai deveTapment 4 Hr akagima Se igmann correct Japanese subiis oginion develag but they w3 1 he daveisp ta 5 135 a rev%simg t a Cm stituticn SendEag nava sh p5 to the Hid e net come a auz ancerning mere wii be aaid at the has 83 axga de to the maximum axtent we have established a gocd baais an we can de a 10 within bat framewsrki we wil d9 mera but within tha basi gig Tamba 1 am very giad ta hear that we cn t hava to warry that you wii push us Gavernment effica ls are very carefui but ycur men Far examgie are sometimes perceived a5 ycur government There has been a faverabfe trend an 3 3 Security Treaty in Japan because you have 1e us werk things mat and al awed 35 ta inaert Eagat limitatfens in the gui e- I ne3 we kept say ng this $3 the liait 0F SGFA and we st 12 expanded but new this 13 realig the iimi much laughter We have graat faith in aur Enga aity aa y ar5 ri gakagima g t g s wag it wag hr gf and a g i t %35 gar akaiima Remarka iike t at ram a mag ii a Ambagsa ar ans ie is gar Q ig rz k j mag aa g3 w a migk maria Mr akaiiga $his has been disamsged far 2% years ar 59 hsre wag a theareticaE prabEam of wkather we gaa dc thi$ canstitut ana y thraa 0r faur times it was iscussed it was aEways criticized in tha pres ha ovarnmant fee s that sen i g farces averseas under a 5% fEag is pessibly different u2 it take some time far the Japanage gubiit t9 un argtand it is a bald gaess ag tg whethar this is passibie in 3988 s Cemmunicatian units or nurses may ha examgles a what we gas da But ginca there has bees as fa pubiic t is hard to say what ES posaihle rs Tamba it wmu aisa take a $ega change since ncthing in 59F 33w at this tima authcrizes such operations Hr 9 att Ynu mentioned that Chinese and Soviet leadershig wil ahanga in the i SGs 1 am camforted by he reccr Gf the US Japan reiatien- far capjng with change Our reiaticnsh p is the stable ne We he% as an zfansfar aawer We G gt knaw haw 653R and ihi a transfer pewar they den t eitharg 3 ha a hap that aha ES'Janan reiatienship 35 aka basis far caging with changes Yea may ha as can ar ative but i am grfi eat wa can haa a abiggS as afara baggage $S 3a n amna trata a a i ty 3 ag witg ghangag aa iawssn wa i gate that i ag a aabie ham 3% gtag war ing cha g s 9 ga gtart warkf g an war maxEmgm gr $am a gif s w f fi aE I - Mr atari i wau d i ke ta explain the kiad 0f cc$t sharing grojects we are think ng abeut om Yhursdayi As you k aw in Japan a change a Eea er shig daes at change poiiay tee much if yau agree we w li mova an a next subject Ms iffert General Gian maka the prasentatig We wi have mcvies Gen Sign aad prasentatioa sag paper Hr Watari Thank yea Joint studies between the and USFJ should have came fang age but because a he 9933t c33 stiuation they haven t an moved by what has been d ne thus far 5 wouEd Iika ta express my agarecfatfon for what has been dena We are Eaaking forward ta these studies a taach the 338 ma y va uable things 1 would 15kg a emphasize that these are stadies and as gs 5ian$ bat 1 think they are very valuable in cantributn Sag ta knawia ge ava war asgaraaca 3f gar an inaraasa i wag Ef a 9 agagratuiaze Qagerai Gian sad ataffg wag wga aring aha wagi ragaes gxpanaian i iaf ia gan a faa get 2% mere Sakaagaz are ikeda gfuga as an imn ak far i miyaig 4 A caiffert 3 hata ta ahink surg Ean t 59 efficient A m we $nerz we uadarstand year paiiticaf canstraints Mr Hc iffart I was giad ta see that the Asgaci ted Stu ias will cenaider isgiszics an cem$ ementarity i thiak that hava ta 9% an Sang after tha basic pEan i5 cangeted i questian whethar an ta what ext t the training 6 Japanese efficers in US ought to be axpan ed to supgart thia glanning effort Gen Gian There are severai programs undersay Watari We hope a expan stape a training in the US Gar probiem is the high cost A etaile expfanaticn be given by Ikeda Hr Hc iffart %e have more quastians but shaii we wait a tEI tamarraw %atari adgaur 3 3 MN a Third Sess an wazarii Teday It 33 schedaied that the Japanese side areSent the $rasent gituation and Iang range p13ns for defease If it s GK with f you we d like a pregant am expianat an of 3agan s White Paper an afen$e 43 recently i3 that ex Hc iffart Fine Watari Agenda says iang-term prospects but rea1iy w 11 be m d term praspects ecause wili extend years efore getting intc prosgects fer Japan Dafen3e et me tench on carrent public apinicn in Japan on dafense matzers Recent Japan gub3ic opinicn aeems 0 see reality as it is it seems 3 me this teadency has became streng sinca the and of etnam war in is a recent apinien p633 86% cf the Jaganese snderstand and suggart hg an the Raina Security Treaty t seems that tr s change in natianai is ref acied in a change in $apan s # rties alzh ugh such chaage is nag a cigarEY v sibie as ahanga in publia mg mi n yet ragu ar a Jagaagse 523 aadad 3a g g f i g afamgag i e 52$ graaurgmeat a5 a par g the gawzs e wa a ag a $33 i itiaia 5y i a g gg regar a g agf g ha gama wiz 52$ iaga i was a ga e aage far 3% fram mnra ggr aug 333 5 $hanks ia ha 52C zan aig faagg a aritfg sm wag gh t d fr$a $za $3 $25 wa a gui Ema giszt ugi an 2%a baiget wa agf gza in we sant av '5 i cff siaf3 t0 the United States it was suggesed ts b8 an FEE gage at it turnad out we can cantraat with the 93 avg For this we era thankFui ta Bad t0 tha BS avy Ssncerning 35ue5 last year we received kind censideraticn fr m Hr ac iffart Tha k you very much This includea my iatroductEonw ew wa wii begin d%$cussien a t r e t ings Sirectar lke a wii iscusS 1 Tha Present Status 6 efense Fawer 2 The Prcjeate Mideervice Estimate 3 Yhe rasgecz of cf Achieving he Estimate Ikeda Piease see Exhihit i Japan has gradualiy bu t a its efenae gcwer He reads paper sag capy wateri Ef yaw have comments or questimns we wi3% be very pleased we sner it was a very camprehansive repart it wag a very baianced aggreach to many prebiems yam have ta consider it 1ears the air an shaws t at you recognize various needs C3 etc radar air an Ea side as wali it is cigar tha we recagnize air dafenae as ane a the highest needs 33 aqua ta asw Qn n vai 5E g 5 arge yam a give gaghasis 3 2 2 aan wsr 1Qsa 3% izaa a mi es ag we as that aya gaffEQEen E gg ta werx furthar an ngcasgar in a Sgaaki g gargenai yg can gag nga w ara it e in intaregtg Ea aaira 3% far gaak 3% tha aigsca Sayaits a agarge iad% azag a raquiramant far iagistis 3mgpart sam f arahiy in exaegs a aha require 9 uagcrz a za a aa y a ayaa 3a ag$ i raz mma yam giva aztaatiaa 2% '4 -1 r A 53 atra7eum $tcrage mi ag expiasive miges aa $u$ 33as mat g ly for miaes but ail sappEEas Ganera TakashEma aa ad a gaad disaugaian a land erta$ Van 5 auid sot nagiect these He faels wa Shau1 mat averkock the cf Eaa action invasian fa the crth Gna final comment mare at eqaa11y apeak ng perseame iy I think it is abseiuteiy nec355ary to have ta 3ase the strait eggacia 3y i3 pazrmii mg aircraFt mines 63 etc Ybat wnui be the #3 thiag Japan cauEd a ta heip the situation Gen Qinn 1 miral Haisner s views Ne discass these n biiateral gleaming In additian to discussing mere har ware issues we iscuss haw we wiiI carry these pragrams gut Gen Lawson I wouid Eike to add my congratuiations an the quaiEZy 0f the repert i had a chance ta take a quitk Eeok at gummary yam have provi ed us in aur awn stu ies in the East Ewe years we hava bae imprasaed y war dwi e aature sf the Ssviet threat and was gEa t6 sea yam racagniza this 3 atear as hat thgre 35 a need far agardi atiQa etwaen the BS ag its an Jagang a a stratagy aismatth wiEE he gra iamg sr a5 as we gs Entg the are as that we axsgg Ea gag bat gigs aha we am $g $3 gag way f f gar afgasa wa 3a a iura t a 833 iag3 ara gage in 53$ way a a i gam aad axsaraise engaga 3 3 gamma an aa zrei is garrie at in the mag way ag that t ay ara gain gs Eat me cgagretu ate y g am the qaa ity a 36% e far Wa fewitz i have a quastian a detai an icgistics Yam meazionad twa araas war reserves far t e $35 an atsyage far mine an yea give as any ata s ikede i try ta answer a claarfy ag pess b3e As far as tha is cancerned t a tatai tannage of amms has decreased $9 7 was tha bottmm year Since than wa hava tried ta increase thia year there wag a 25% bu get Enarease For ammunition we haga to continue that Incraase through 398% and think by 198% our amm nition supply wi13 hecame sizeabIe we wil have troubke in finding storage p a e 50 we neea a coeperata with 35 in Japan Ragar ing mina starage we thinking abaut thing$ ow have Severe thaasand m nesg we are trying to get mere A353 prasentiy mides are w u we bape ta improve this Et take abcut Ewe years $rem next year we will $tart bui ing such facilities By g h we wii have a very aiz abie aapa 333ty ta o what dmirai Waisner aska biackada the stra ts agif grz atar y u afarga ta ahaag g and ika a ta ka a euz 1% ag agas ary ta aahfaya t e a gagiga rga iz Ea $5 art ma yea agzri%a ha E Egait ruie g thamh efe e atayiz faf u atfng Stimate we weried withia aha assumptia 3f Yhis 1% rule a thum was ecf a b the Cabinen in 19 6 A3 mem ars of gsvernment we muit therafora with thia whether this wi changa or mat Es strictiy a pm itiaal mattar As far as gubii apinicn changeg grevicusiy public apin n apper for dafenae wag beicw what was aecessary ta sustain 39F resent y pub1ic apinian hag caught U9 to raality Yhe future depends an future 3%anges in pablic spEnian h3$ mid tarm estimate is net f xed we wii review it every year and every 3rd year we wiil do a fuadamental reviaw so it 55 net 3 very fixad eStEmate 3apanase is increasing 50 fast that wizi have a significantiy increased budget Ikeda Presently our bu gat is 3 the defense badger wt increase 230 bi11 an yen resently Gur defense investmeat hardware Itema i5 #30 533%395 yen In future we w 1 put t ege gag Funds t cae Eetween and 1% 23% yen Enta such invegtaent aEmast a 58% increase gr waa Eika ta what g caliaagya aai exca eacg a yaw grasaatai aa hai ya zgka a yeak rg gatay z ag Eet $ dii' 'vi I - ff-l 1 after the break Natariz As I indiaatad before g ease Is US present an expianatian of the r cantly white $a er on Eefenae it 535 bean gub is ed every year sinca 1976 The i973 vergian gubiished ast waek zkth a Jaiy We tried tG describa anly the facts what we said was get very different fram reality Tba Japanese mass media san we t9 the Soviat buiidup tam radica ly ikeda w 1 gresent the repart Hr ikada Tha White Papa was apgraved by the aabinat an Juiy Z th The repcrt is thick and is not yat transiated so yea have a summary Rea s English fanguage summary This white Pager was treatad more by the preas baa ever before and we weuid like t0 continue it avgry year Yaur cammants would be he pfu in writing Gar aext defense budget Hr Mc iffert Ea we read thia gummary and rasaend this afternaan or tamnrraw watariz V55 aQiffert Raw e erai Law$an wi make a grese taiia an Ea ian a d sia is E sgg iawaan tz i rageaz w%s a rea %35 $e a 332$ Y a yaaenz a $3393 airf a $ Ea hava far raac iag a ngequaasas as wa manitar the gizaatia claaeiy sf he gackfifa am azhar $Gv at dave gaants ava wga a 3% ham w th gag Ea t a geriad if $53 asira Eat ma 23 ha 38 gs ma staa ther the break y watari As I in icate b fare pleage let us presant an explanation af reaently publishea white Paper an Eefens5 d u mr 555m WRub ished every year since 19 6 2 955 versian publishe5 last week zw utt mi Z thkr We trie t5 describe enly the facts xVery differ t vw xzv f r 5 $041 1 ifuii xg a R sJapaanags 5551a 5515 we raspon edhtme ra5ically Mr Ikeda cm wili 3 3 i in My Ekeda yx yyreve Cabinet en z th A Report is thick 355 a 3 501 yet transiate 30 you have a summary Reads English language summary 7 i 55$ 55 h1$ white pap555treated more by press than ever before and we 55515 like t5 sentinue it every year Your comments would be help fu in wri ing Our next defa se budget Mr McGiffert Can we read this summary and this 5r tamarrewg a At Mr Ratari as '55 $15545 as a U f 7 Mr McGiffesz New General Lawswn will present Asia if 19895 Ran 55595 I 5i 55y 55 t5 re eat what alrea y has g 4 Ewe 5555 sai5 ki55555t Qpeaing 55 5555555 55555 555 airfieldg in Ri5t555555535 5555 far 55555553 555555555555 555 55 5512 555it55 $55 1 4 i 34 f a 5553355 y 55535555 53555555555 555 55555 5 555535555555 5555 55555555 the 355 5552355 Re 55515 55 hapgy 55 5555555 t em with 5 5 5 5 5 555135533155 955555 1f yea 555555 Rut Eat 55 say US Ras 5 iw a 5 ataa istiil 55 have and 51 355ain in Asia Ravyja wth R5555 55 15 555555 arriar 555535 5555 555 555 5555555555 5555 $55555 R5555 55355555 5553555 555555155 51535555 55 igwg g w iaj cit 95 @acific and Indian Sagan SLGC pratactisn and cffensive operatiens i3 wartime Respite uncertainties tatal fgrce levels shoald increase in early 1989 s Increase mainly in surf cambatents and S s while re actians will came in aaxiliarias an reserve ghips we will remain flexible as we di in Vietnam rawing an ships 39m Atlantic sre racenaly we drew an Pacific and Mediterranaan ta build up Endian chan In a diticn to sea based forces Navy an Marina aircraft are leaated ashcre ASH regularly cperate Adak Alaska ta Eejc Garcia Cap etc By and of 5 year efense pregram all F 4's except those an and CGRAL SEA will be F 14 s 1and based P 3 s will be updated surface ships will be greatly by awed array and LAMPS MCIZI hale Ag PACAF has 1Q squadrans 6f 192 Ends 2 in P I 4 in Karea 4 in Qkinawa 3 af 4 in Kerea tasked far Karaa others are available ggn ral 3133 cantinga ciaa fr m gg aga max yaayg ratate t$ en $5 fiya avaiia ia i3 wagtgas ii Egaagi 6 iayk szarzimg ax raun 28 3% 2393 cf zh army ara part af CFC strategic reserve wizh rawals gf 2n ivigian he hel i ab yance hy ireazi a @ith rawals beyesd l 81 wiil be reexamined base an in telligence estimate sf x-s military balante and evidence 6f reductian cf tensians Na changes in USMC depleyments are and BLT are afloat in MAG Same 0f these eployed marines marines may aperate mere aftea than in past t9 Ea ian chan 25th Infantry Bivisian in Hawaii is strategic resarve I is in East ac u an cha ge 3 cantemplated in its empleyment Strategic Farces Squadren cf B 52 s and ara based in Guam First TRIDENT is expected in Pacifin in FY 1981 Mability Farces MAC aperates C 5 s and 234 C 141 s Base an US but great flexibility ta depley t0 areas such as Korea and Persian Guif Yesterday wa iscussed Limited Cantingency Farce we are avelgpigg such a fayce fer nans TG cantingencies with emphagis 5g gia ig East szea aa ersian Gulf a age eat Qf $v rsea$ Eases an suggart gxagz agan s ax ag Qapa le 95 sgayati g far a Eaagz aygi Qne a i agal war ab at Ia iaa t us far mai iy frem ix gag fazare gsigiag -3 f fi gay r m infrastruatare i$ meager Eiega Garcia expansicn will be campieted by en cf FY88 hut still will be vsry austere Aircraft famility will be esgeciaily limite In summary we will imprave esgecially qualitatively Especially navy s fcrge size is leng term cancerx thraugh midwlg8 s and still time f$r cecisisn an Zeng term Size an nature 3f Navy Cambinaticn these military farces resarve farces airlift eta pravide basis fer Qur we lack forward ta yaur quastians Mr Watari Thank yum very much H aring in cancrete terms as persence in We tpac and Endian Ocean and goal im ravement I feal Let s ask some questions Mr Sakcnja MIEWAY homeported in Yeke any newspapar reparts congidering anathgr carrier hemaperte in Karea Pacific Isiands 833% etc 13 theze any trath Amb eisnar 59mg gyecuiatisn ever yaars Qd g are there mat be any Quaa san t aci ic Islan Eackg hgusing ti gay gs Eaaked at ugtraiia Eat are gar haavy ih ra xii mg %a gay furt gr h ga rti g atariz 5 2 efara mixg a anaii gaw r$sg ayzia a thg g a gi ari g ag ag shigyat s i3 Sing ggr v A y trath mb waig er lyga y aging ta Subit i 333 i crea a L r $atari g yga kgya gay gia is a i g K ea 33% Ersw $131235 gamg gaggrg a f ww f 3 I 2 Ww jimz a Am waisnar Tetally erraneeus 30 increase there nar no plans far heme crting thera Ha visited there ta see game Navy facilities in RGK Had already seen Air Forge and Army Mr amba Gen Lawsan caul yau escribe what kind 9f facility Biega Garcia will be at en Bees recent Xerean decisiam affect military assistance ta Karea gumber 3 - dees recent Soviet use 0f Vietnam bases affect yea force psgture Number will yea change USMC farce pasture in Okinawa in near futura Gen Law an Bkinawa - no change Diega Garcia Until now catch as c tch can We are trying ta make temporary facility parmanent fael tanks mere permanent shelters Still very eselate Mr Armacost Same effects on assistance to ROK Equipment traasfer was base an withdrawals As withdrawals it will affact equigment t aasfer Secen iy same will g9 ferwar 33 1 ank yienn in lgzg 3 battalians will e turne ever aesn affect balance 31mg will @e turned ever Sage issues eutgtan ing etc ae is inteiligen e gxpesi t tak% a az r partiguiayiy at gi i g priariZy ts farc g ti3 say a yt i g th wg Qavg ma gtainad high Eavel ta we will hava ta Zagk at 1%13 alsg i3 vigw @f with rawal alayt cntg gag Fi ally w will Egak at ways af impraving what we avg in Kazea withi u g t a girainzs ue tg Amb Weisner First a Kittie mare ma Qiegs Garcia xu way is $eing lengthene ramp space SX inarease 6 0 fcet pi r put in PGL stsrag big increase 48 fast channel re ge anchorage enlarga Haw 1630 a9 1e includes 886 seabees permanent persennel will increase 898 ta 139% Sxill agrea with General Lawson w it is augtere and limiie $ith regar ta Seviet ass 6f Vietnam we dan't knaw haw much they will use Ben t know if they will increase use have Vietnamege increase size at sen in USSR perscnael there We g know they have had teams investigating pert facilities and airfields Cauld b t9 advise Vietnam cauld be to impreave these facilities themaelves Soviets etc Any usage increases their capability same egree Great increase in usage scald incraa e thair capability a great eal Cam Ranh Bay is halfway be tween Vladivestek and Indian Ocean This would be very helpful ta them It increases importance 0f US bases in Pacific Islanas age mf Siagapare etc Yes if they usad these ase3 it wauid an p sture Mr atari gt praae t what is ycur asgessment f caga bility af $3333 an Sam gagh ay t shigs aa aiyaraft g d gigner @il nae l gistizg far aiycraft 1 3 Eaggays 33$ 32$ 3% giace g ips age 333 5 xte givgiy ag am Raah Say @uck as eteri rate giataag at gaviets a al hava ZQ imprave if they g 33% 3%333 a$es axt gsively f6 $hip3 gazayi 23 $3 gai tag ayg 3 33 gt Banaagi Ea yam thigk i% s 3 use w we 46 Adm Neisner Yes an will imprave BF capability and peimt ta psiat cammunicatisns watari ne mere point cancerning rth Karea farce levels is review complete If 39 what is yaur assessmeat Mr Armacest at necessarily finished Increage emphasis since 1 5 and there will be follmw 0n studies 3f near echelcn supparz etc E gj variaas studies have been candacted Div isians sirangth revised frem 25 t9 Mr watari Althaugh it is past 12 I d like ta have Mr kazaki gresent cur View of My Yamashita's visit to RGK Mr Gkazaki Practi ally n5 cancrete results except visit taek place Mr McGiffert That s very important Mr Gkazaki 89 glanned Just a prece e t so it can be dang again Frecess is maybe important and had t9 be acne delicately In case af predecasscr Kanemara 1an leaked and giait cancelled This time n3 segrat planning jug kept saying it was imgortant Yamashita and akazaki bath gaid twice publicly in 315 beferehand Gnly cyitiaized e sewspap r griticizg tii a eiiad mg ta gisreiease 3f sz Rae gang cables Mil w y 33 Stata parzment and ue t$ taik 3 1111 i at iimksS 3% mat rg ui riyaa tag ifi wia as tg gargaga a Frasi ant arte s Xargsa yisii h$t halgad 3% ya guiatzy greparade g5 a nt aa maa qae gyagg 3 leaga inteliigamae stimate sf rth Xaraa gaiy fzigg iy tazks R g 3i m iataiy agrag g RQK mm gave n6 p ess releasa except sche ule RQX may have even sugpresaa press aw 1655 than garliaman arians visit We teid them we tald US ta tieat Kerean withdrawal eta carefully Bath Japan an RGK agreed to aantinue exhcnaging visitg 0f military parsennel and intelligence exchange A150 Yamashita invited Minister Re to ayan At dianer we invited Karean training vessels t0 visit Japan and they did alga This shows haw aarefal t0 new mat even training visits exchang da Gppesition parties $idn t criticize $0 much July was 38 selidarity with Korea manth Primary sicgan was deatroy Yamashita visit They thaught the visit was in the Fall There were game demanstratiaas against but 01ice said level very unprecedently lew Please dcn t mentien this briafing Snly gres5 much more favorable than we expected Frags said ne'eppesition t6 visit in general they are against future military asaperatien rcspe ts in future There wiil be mutaai viaits in futvre han Miaiste Ra wants ta visit wa mus iavite him in fgture we mug Ea ma est E jg Viaw i yeang from us hcy uni Hangm s helm - - m 7 They want mare understanding Japan faverabie censideratian in emergency @f aaurse they want agencmic assistance etc But what zhey feaily want is sense cf security want ta have friends same as they want symbalic presence 9f yaur 2nd Biviaion watanabe want is emphasize dalivefy sf presentatian Dan t igcu35 nut Qf rcem Beplamatically we have is add anether dimensign In my perscnal viaw Japan and RQK mutually misunderstand see aext page 3 1 5 P i- rl i a sag Am' r14- each ether ua ta aslared glasses of the yast Thus we must yracee carefally Anathe peiat iS stance toward Sarth X9 ea Japan supparts seeuyity 5f 39K but hava to take into accaunt reaction cf erth Karea T ay NK pelitically Glaser ta eking tha Mascaw Becauge Faking is mederate we like thati We must leak at changing enviranment Japaaw RC Sin0 3$viet atc We were pleased by small x re$pense t9 President ark s call far lessening ten ien i Jan ary We are carefully watching I think Kim Kimwlleeng is groping fer wayg ta cape with changes in internatianal gituaticn not t0 his liking We mate with concera yaur fin ing cf RX increase in forces but must imyorw taut is intentisns vialence etc I talked tee much but wanted to add we aensidered NK reaction as walk I agree with Mr Gkazaki that it was gaad ta break tabao we advertised enly ceremanial visit t9 Japan publia and gK cGi fert 13usible aygument that Kim may see time running gutggkaz likelihaed g yau think 6f attack @atari I thiak i ue aauzga he mug he g 5 ada ta aztagt gtatas qua gaag tai gs $ ina aa ave $333 viglaggai Zia xu z g agtg year $3 hrga t i k garih K fg @131 as attemyt aatig $ 5wawv s hiaa Paiit gai Eurgaa a erth K0 a3 might be gbat ng s $ni g deer a a better internatienal reiatians yet their rejectian 9f Carter ark call fer talks is disappeinting But I think they are iscussing whether t9 accept status qua 0r nmt Accepting Status qua is sampletely appcsite ta what they have beem saying ts date Sakanjo y affine was in charge Qf intelligente exchange we made same questicn ta MG Kim iatentians He said imme iate future is very imgc tant 8e said NK might attack if thay can get help from gr USSR Thfee years from new we will be in better shaye AWACS R ght new tactical warning is only a matter 0f hgurs Mc iffert Unfertunate reality that Seen as an urban area has expandad ta North Shall we came back at 2 58 vice 2 80 We will respect year csnfidence cancerning Karea discussian watari I agree with yea an prece ure Let me juSi 33y ne thi g gen Yamashiza tal me %e was imprassa in Ra $3 Egrces s 32 2% haar 3 155 f a 1 August PM Mr atari Let us begin McGiffert We have a few mare csmments 0n Kerea if GK Mr watari Flease Mr Sullivan Appreciate Mr Watanabe s remarks W6 also were isappointed in K s lack af respmase It was 3 111 warth our asking hawever because we 3159 realize there is a reassessmeat gcing an there We must canvince them invasian is not in their interest aecision net ta withdraw I will net speak abgut the likeliheod of NK invasi n but wauld like t0 Say a little about PRC and USSR feelings 0n China ene thing that has changed is nermalization Last time NK agreed t9 talk was immediatly after Shanghai ammunique But we can t expect tog much help fram PRC A5 fa a$ UgsR they have avoi ed Korean invalvement as tau great a risk 5f canflict with US 0f ccurse with leadership change atti is alwaya a aag r 5a what is calla far is steady aatious appr ash ganfi ent that time i3 63 si e 9f RGK ymaaestr Emgartant 1a tisi was ta have wit rawa zia Ea iplamatii t e ta id a ha i z ii s a a ralat is lik 1i $ af $3 ra$ ag$e %a3t i guye gay actians an their gayt cayry heavy riSks My cGiffart Qatari think that an Karea Thaak yam very much far spening this discussion Mr Watayi Shall we g3 ta next item which will be 163% by Us Mri McGiffert I thiak ssg sharing is aext I under atand yam want in e that tamerrsw Mr Watari I was expecting t0 iscuss interaperability an transfer this afternecn I have not braught with me data an cast sharing today Mr McGiffert Fine let us turn 0 technelagy transfer and weapens systems Let me make same general remarks to begin I understa d time to time Japan has felt it was mat tveated as well as with technelagy transfer Rot sa Bramatic example is in which case we have released greater amou t 9f t you than ta Eurage in the casa 0f le Sn the athar han wgul say there haven t been prablems $hera have been same ue ts technical and administrative ela s hese aan r3531 fram praaesg by whiah wa gaka gaigiag in $355 y saga basi g In ad itiaa 6 germs gr cegs igv lviag Eegar magt af Staze ag ga iatiansj g ax 3% gs i ygiying raggase tati eg g arviae 33$ afficiglg 0f t g geyartmeat af efa sg 13 azaas gaa as atag T era Qan e aiays gyab ems if germiggi Caumtrieg must as sa ght as $2 the recant case 9f the I m sure yam have bureaucratic and gyecial interests that try ta influence when ta buy whan ta scpre uae atc but it seems to me that the $tranger our efanse cooyeratian is the easier it is 0 aveytgme ebstacles ecuase the stranger aux cosperation the easier it is ta argue that transfey 9f technalagy is in cur commgn interest $inally let me refer t0 same self avident prapasitions 1 $here may be cages where we can minimize duplicatian cf R39 thereby releaviag funds fer other purpases if we transfer technology 2 Release in can be impartant element in impraving our ability ta cperate together have cammcn lagistics etc 3 Cu the ather hand if efficiency is criterisn if number 9f 3 system is small efficiency might e served by purchase rather than by agapra uction In cases where yen caproduce equipmant that caml be gurchased much cheaper I knew yam hava yau zaasans far daing this hewavar it isggi t e mast 33$ af yesaurae g Yh se ars my 3$limi ayy cammextg we waai Ea in ayegte in yau r 5 23333 urgaagratia igtarasas grg l m$ gta Eatari 83 aka age han I andergtaa w at tGiffart sai very @312 $5 far a3 asa agpact is canagrsa hawevgr yam weul agree %ith me asst asgest is 33 the enly criteri n Ea mugt alga maintain defense in ugtry 13 Japan even thaugh small emestic preductien 3130 has advantage asyacially in repairs and cperati n Capre uctian damestic roductian or impart must be decide an a case by case asi We include consi erations sf state aur in ustry In 535% of or PSC numbera justify ceproductien In case of RF4 and 22C small numbers fave Csul yam give us example sf what yam consi er apprapriate f r Mr McGiffert EEC was apprapriate Bengt have any list Cansi eratien aboui be case by case Mr Ike a As far as technolagy transfer we had net Haw some trouble cancerning Gur request was rejacted 5a we Started our awn RED It pr0 gre$sed well now ycu say ycu can release Same with but new we are happy Ansther case Seaatar Glenn cama 9 ant affice and cammente about law percentage sf an bu get fer 25D He gaid we shnul incraase I axplaine gar history Ten years gga wa had 2% but we gava a ta acquire ma a missiiss 33% aircraft 33$ ig tha gag cast mer cf 9n afeasa iadusZry 5% if in ustry atarts wa mas bay it 36 wa ia rgaae ur Eudgat ai 3%33 is cantra icti with Egying ara fram ysar cauatry 33 we wiil ts make aiager i lgagl iibar It wgaz be elpfal t3 knaw ia a vanca wketh r liaenga @ys uctisg i3 gaing is be mn $rtak a E aymitted3 5253 i w 'qu 1757-3 '34 int - Ad-Emit - Mr Ekgda This is net 3 grabiem it is a fact Mr Watari Ike a explaine th situatien 3 far as release af Equipment abgut which license pra uzti n is n w ua erway there ign t any E ii at presantt aerning the yracurament 9f gquipment paychasad by FMS thera wag same whizh were $81 dslivered aft r the tima thay sh u1 have h aa $e $ava pregars a list wa w ll prasent yen later Cantefning TartarCsp missile aad Hawk sama were gai far 3 years agg bat mat eiiverad As far as the reaseas far th daiay net snly $5 at fault in sama sagas Jaganasa at fault alsa Aayway it is necassary ta carrest situati a where n9 elivery even thrangh fragmant made his year in Eeit audit we faced this triticism I waula like ta see wcrkiag lava cfficiais have clcse meageratian If we can t 6 3 am happy ta san to Washingtan Rat nesessary to ec da wha is wyaag just ta salve gr I m glad yam raise 513 and gava me this Eist 3% WE mag give it igtensiva managemant atteazia i hapg mazaggary 3% san yaur effi ialg t3 aghiggt a Eat ya ta th a gaga 33% gg mat ahgat gtgiig gngt $332 1% agyaag jag wagz a ag ri g gitaatiaa gait i uzm an havg 335% gi n by $3 zgaiigp eliava a syar f yt%cami g ia a wagk 2% gs ayg My c iffert Cancerning a camment made by Mr Ikeda I m n5 sure I agree with Seaatcr Glenn As far as US 15 willing to transfer to Japan Japan engaging in in same area is iikely ta be duplicative an ta lend ta nanwinteraperative equipment Mr Watari 1aas let me tcuch upon anether case we are very much concernea abeut delay in pregram DUI engine prsducer us Japan eajoys a low pricrity we are amid year Defense regulatien cavers this A159 yen must cagperate with Bepartment sf Ccmmerce We would appreciate faverable consideratien Mr Armacost We expect decisicn am this tea within a week We have requirements in the MSU an this matter Mr Watari Thank yam Please allaw one mare questien ecessary f9 JBA t9 knew F'ls f011$W Gn pregram t6 decide pragram Is it passible far as ta continue leSE even after US Air Eerce finishes Eke a we ma eygtan yam will figish in after yam ka e gr same ing After that y u have 2% gg ER gm gage EEK year we will gat A133 we Vi get canaat get an time Ea arg waryying w ether we 33 g3 a at ki a we wil ma a a gantract is get mara in gr 1 53 e nee ta knew if ws gag 3 if 93 1593 3 Armacast Rar to get a firm asgmrance at this time There is a likelihbsd ygu can gat it at sag you pa si ly acgelerate the rate at whiah yaw acquire the DJ ma gl Mr Eke a As I exglained this merniag as Fud$ attrit sp we muat gat mere but if my infermatian an yeur completion sf is carrect we tanner get them Mr McGiffert Why can t yau buy earlier Mr Ike a We can at get an budget in a vance Armacast We have same Strcag 1ikelihao productica will cantinue Mr Mc iffert 3en t taunt on it Mr Armatast At what paint will yen be able ta make decisien Can you make decisian in budget By that tima ysu will knew Mr Watari Abeat this $359 we like to continue ta ccaperate I understand intersperability is in be inaluded at we caa g6 ta next subject Mr Mc iffert Lgt s g0 en Ba yaa feel that current scasultative arrangements are sufficieat or 3hmai wa naasi ar Er $atari gr tha presan we iika t usa axigti g if it we $ Eik 2% sa sait agaia gg $ $aar2 higk t a g egt if yga aya t g t gga we alevate t3 prsgex Eevei 3f prapar g agnels My r accgt Lika ta reinfarce As in tra a fiel early warning $3 gma Last fail whea Secretary Brawn was thre yau raise prablem we galved by getting t9 high level I think we can salve these by time yaur Ministar xamas Important 3 raisa preblems in pra er time early eneugh Mr Watari Thank yam %hen Minister Yamashita meets Secretary Brawn we dcn t want them t0 aiscuss but we hape staffs can d9 Mr McGiffert That s fine Mr Watari With your permission I d like t0 talkd abaut jnint training and I have my material now Ccncerniag jaint training we think it is extremely important ta upgra e technique vie 7 exchange infarmatian 59 we sag respsn as approyriate I woul like 0 expaa jeint training and exerci$es Haw ever as yen knew Japanese amestic gituatia can @633 prc lems far us 33 I d lika t0 g9 farward gyadually step by steps 33 we can enjoy public suppart an have experienae this field GSBF has act experienced yet 11kg to 33$ have same appertunity but you hava na 35 grsun tramys statiened in Japan 30 we are cgnsidering to de this As f0 MSDF it has conducted jeint training with US carriers etc and this yaar we are planning t0 send to axercise As f x we haven't annaunced yet 39 I den't know what the reacticn will We have never dune sash an axercise befcre This might have suhtle bearing on Japanege public feeling We weuld like $0 cgaw suit with US clasely on this akajima like to cgmment on this We will canault with y u at tha aime we wiil explain t9 cur peaple that wiil with 833 if we pariicigate with A gg it w u2 s gnar e ar g xiaas as yga a e z gxgam Egg were gaiag zg g it Egg r hrga y a s agag fau ha ta aana l e are raa y is s it we ha $ girsg y agrea ta gu lic affairg asgects 3 engure it meats yaur nae g my M gzg wx mg magma mmj ig r a1 SEER-EL We recagnize yam prableas an we will yracee at year pace akajima Thank yau giga we will caatinue ta aogperate militarily an pelitically we do not want ta downgrade Service t0 service exercises but we will also try ta achieve mere in GSBF Army training cambinad jmint exercises as well Watari Thank ycu Please let ma csntinue on jaint training As SEX Ginn meuticned Air Force jaint training has prmaeede well since secend half last year We want ta have once a manth 12 times a year Alsc we d like 0 as among rescue farces tea As far as training fer Japa ese pilats g0 wa were thinking of sending ASDF fighter pilets t9 63 We discussed at last SSC and 50 centinued discus- sien As far as we knew for 2d pilsts 50 hears aach it wauld be milling We are looking fer wayg to make this cast mare manageable far us fhis is what I wanted t9 say abaut jaint exerciseg and training T i training is far pilats an epen s ea yga used gar w s at sat s ft hava fig res at ight g 3233 tyge aa Egcat am gaida Riga secen year casts m ah lawaz lsa pazhagg y u might be ahie ta - mum r vuu HQ usa yam greun supyert aqaipment and training missiles his invalvea the lease cf 13 F 4s an purchase 3f all equipment frem US Figvres resented hopefully re rasent warst cage situatien Quite a bit involved in this %c iffert F rhaps My Watari $t3ff3 cauld 3150 discags this when Mr Yamashita viaits Watari I feel that this ilst traiaing is a $03 rather than technique problem if we had mare maney we cauld d0 But any budget is limited 30 it wauld be ifficult ta go ahead even if we discussed when Yamashita Visits We woul aise have ts decide same legal questiens fires accidents etc Armacast Do ysu know which 5pecific area$ are of cancern Na You have a SGFA with Germany far it Milburn We train 3666 HAWK an HERCULES peronnel at Fart Bli53 Texas eath year as I m sure at least yracednres far that exist atari Abgut training we 3139 have prablem far training EEC japaaesa gffisiais new iscaxsi g with 33% r %3 iy g wiEl igaugg wit S u 3nn e wau d apgregigia yam haig gs thig S riainlyg I - Ida - h wm mm m Tax-N L5% v Watari Let s gs ts costusharing althaugh Igm act sure can lower it all Chart ycu are now reviewing skews Japanega expeaditures in relation to statianing sf US Parces in Japan Abmut this I talked with ASE M Giffert last yea a d I fael we married cut what we talk d abcut We budgeted far FY 8 far labs cast sharing In facilities we budgeted yen We wauld Bike ta centinue whatever we can a within existing SOFA As far a3 labar casts are coacerned this year's measure are the utmest we can d0 and I campletely agrae with what Mr kajima said yesterday A3 to facility improva ent aspect tha prablem is mat SOFA but 5a called Ghira Statement In last iet session we believe we have explained this satis faatarily As far as goat sharing far 1980 we are new cansidering with inance Ministry We have n9 intentimn cf a anging the scheme as far as iaber cast sharing is anacerned But as far as facility aspect we ar thinking f iatrsaging this year g 22 billian yea E33515 E Haw gugh wa gag ingraasa this fun rgmains ta ba 3533 we ave ta gsi a hy ga sf ggm t Abaa iggy9v $333 z gya was a aa i g $ %rail figare waul miilisn iliign heaging is requ r y grg baut syeaific issue 5f mi s stsrage we are as thinking af buildi g that as part sf test sharing but wii ui1 fa at Rachinahe Misawa 1 will regpcn tamarraw aypreciate yaur views hat ma say haw we aygreaiate what yen have aana 9 gay I knew haw ifficalt it has been and want yea ta knew haw much we agpreciata it Watari Let us begin the last meeting If the si e ha$ any questians abeat Japanese presentatien yesterday we wgul be happy t0 raceive them McGiffert Which ene Watari Wa are haygy ta meve an if there is nothing laughter McGiffert R gayding cagt sharing I once again want ts express my agpreciatisn far your efferts I reviewed the racsrd yam presented It is imprassive In particular the initiatives yea have taken the last years have been particularly helpful They have reduced criticism in the US ma matter how unwarranted that is that Japan is get ting a free ride They have centributed ta the merale of ear farces and have stabilized any farces 3a we can get on with the jab I wgul be less than fra k if I failed ta mentian the cantinuing prablem of fun ing US Ferges in Japan Fer examgle 333 5 are gaing my 10% per year Cast gharing is gaing ta remain a yrablem far many yaarsi e razggaiza 3 3 carrant genstyaigts g3 w ul h9g5 tha navartheigss at we waui 169% far aew wayg thai we wgui gharg in tha aayly iga g faa lizigg gg hape hat ia 338 yga w ul 3bl tQ inaia $ a ati nai 35 wgli as Eitgnging helievg a ngtianal list 9f cperatienal fasilities has alraa y been exchaaged We were vary impressed that when as Kanemaru visited Secratary Brawn he gave a list 3f cast sharing prcjeats whiah later was a epted by the Diet %e hepe ES Yamashita will be simi larly farthacming Mr Chairman that what I wanted ta say abcut cast sharing e are new prapare to pravi e camments an your White Paper if yea wculd like Watari Refers getting inta the next item please let me say a few words absut cast shariag As I made it clear yester ay we cannst bear any mare laber cast sharing under the SGFA in Japan interpretatian cf ha SOFA is very strict and any mare wculd pra uce strong criticigm by oppasitian parties in the Biet In 19 8 an 1979 we id our utmest 0n tha other hand we understand the 9f yising casts A5 I mentianed yesterday we are gaing to 9 ear best in tha faailitias araa But as is aperatianal acilities even thmugh it is net szrictly prahibited by law we on3t think it is wise at t-is time gvga 33m tha list barracks etgi it wgal take 535% milii a pa year far fivg yeargg I g say we wa t gat i323 ggeraiia al g gag fige ygars @at w% ihiak ii wa i My g wiggr is wait a i a t a few y arg 3aasa Eat ma 34 L $1 If 1 - 15' kiwi-r7 Jill Fifth clarify a few paintsc %hen I said we understan the tests for 3tatiening 38 Parces is rising I meant in generai an we wauld like to cocgerate in the area 0f facilit e 3 far tha exchange rate East 311 was tha lcwest level than it was yen dallar 8f ccurse we don t knew what it will ha in the future but we hepe it will stabilize aw please go 9% t0 the ext paint McGiffert Mr Armacest will summarixe any camments abeut the white Paper Armacast fhese are camments on the summary Perhaps we will have more later when we see full First it is vary succinct cagent an we agree Particularly pleased with the way in which you described our bilateral relatien ship I W33 struck by description 0f the grawth in Soviat f rce levels particularly when juxtapased against your mi term estimates presented by Ikeda In View 9f the Saviet eX ansien wander if yaur effarts will be enaugh hat 3 aa reaggn it is wise ta make yaur estimateg yearly and ravise rath r than ta make hem gvayy five ygars as ygu aggd gacamea says $3 has gaw r advam%agg away 33$ ha at aagsgariiy i3 giratggia gar Ea aya 33$ aiy @hgg ig a vantaga 33935 ha aasw r ig wiz the a itian a5 yaurand gar ailigs gar w ui we aggessarily agrae wit at asseagmanz ngceraiag Saviets aur worry is their averall buil up aa gecsnaly their ten ency t9 utilize pawer against areas sf the thir warl As Mr McGiffart emphasi d the cumulaw tive effect sf their military effort is sf cancern Palitically we s auld 30 became camplacent E We raig ing our efense syending in real terms doing the same SwJapan bilateral relatianship is getting stronger and is unfavsrable to USSR Thus despite adverse military aspacts we place our emphasis in an total eff rts ta evercome this Soviet buildup Our efforts must be carried mu a3 efficiently as pessible These are my princiyal comments Watari Thank yam very much for yam detailed camments I believe some of you cemments are valid but what ycu receive yegterday is mat a 311 translation an is not appraved by the ggvernment we are thinking Qf translatiag it fully and sen ing it is yau fer year cammahts I can understand yam that the Ja anage ef nse sffart migh net he Wh wa amphasizad the grawth af $evi t g wer Eat we $13e a tka grawtk ig S viat ggwar mast bg 355$ glg aiiy and jagz againga Egga @e w ui iiks t iggr aging afe g ix light the anstrai ts mf 2 i maw amg 5 pablic cpinien A139 yau might have gar the impresgien fram the Summary that yau thixk we believe Saviet power is greater than US pewer his might be ba translatian and I waul lika my staff ta Clarify When we estimated Russian strengtha we felt that Seviet grcund which can be brsught against Japan are net iffarent in numbers from ear awn but they might be qualitatively better So we plagued ta impreve eur fire pawer Alse we felt their amphibieus ships increased 39 chance sf invasion went up Their ship numbers haven t changed but they have more nuclear sub marines AiTCTaft numbers have alsa net incraased 89 we are trying to buil mare ships and begin a FRAM pregram Elsa we will get P33 and other new aircraft like FulSs We want new SAMs and I think it is terribly important to gat a new BASGE sygtem Gkazaki Every yaar we have this translaticn we give a ccpy tg aha $reign pregs She alwayg makes a qniak tzangiatian if I make the siightagt ahagga axamgls Saga 2 EQE g i a iffara t ieressieE ES $33 a Seggri a z a si aazian g ra ii t gaily we want 3% Sxpiain haw he weri is g ayi g Ea want ha b1i b3 we canast diraatly gay what we shga d Egi ner I t aaght yen id a gagd jab sf infarming them armacsst I think yea have 9 e caygful in painting gut their impravements ta remember any areas af superi rity whiah ara gignificant Snfartunately these as not gravent tham ffem prejecting pawer in a place lika Axgola kazaki ya are net aying that satire pawer balance has beam changed an that cnly Japan an aliieg ara the advantage We beliave that yma algae sugarior What we Sai that yau are mat sugeri r in every way We vii staad by this a g threw weight BACKFIRE etc n0 gae examyle naval pawer Mz iffert Haw abaut the statement abaut grsun farces U338 has always been supezier kazaki rigiaal tax says they have been so I believe text is balanced and rea Jaga ese press reactinns I think it daes net alarm but in icates Raw gar ing the emergency iagislatian which i galitiaally sgnsitive an camman agardinatian center ara it is ig rta t that ysu mgatian d 3taziz @ aak yag are taays 33 azae a mmegts gagiffazt $3 I wgg ikg 3% g @3 aka Ealaata gf z a ga y 32% laa fayw war ta t e fa t aagiatisa atari ext we weuld like t9 g6 inta the cmestic situatimn 9f US and Japan Will yam g6 ahead tGiffert My Flatt will present latt This is very persenal and infarmal I am trained to assess ether cauntries Let s engure that is translated I will fetus ca events cf last manth The e are 0f interast t9 our Allies as well 33 ta us I will 109k at changes in the situatian and elemants which haven t changed in this analysis What has change First the Cabinet McGiffert Are yam sure 5 233 If yau leak at the Cabinet I think it has changed for the better As far as the resident is cancerned it is mare cahesive and will better serve his abjectives $echnically 33 cempetent as his predecessor and some ways mere 56 Eccnemic team cf Miller and Valker enjsy caaw fiaenca 9f businegg an upward tren i3 tha allar an marke reflegt this zhink the aw Cahiaat alga gravidas game skilig it was lgcking axamplg tk Qagartgg ef Exergy agede t is $1ieve will a gstting it frag gr Ea cang galitimaiiy thera is a faeling amang anaiygtg at Cabinat is mare tg husiness blacks wamen Cathslics etc if yea i clude Hadley Eaacvan to White Hausa staff net Cabinet there i5 even kink t0 Eastern establishment press re3 dent tal his taff he feels right abeut the Cabinet had to he ma a quickly an gat an with businegsf 83 said if he ha is d9 it again he wsul net have aska far mass rasignatiens ecause that gava impres$i0a bread that change was msre fun amental than it was What else hag changed White Range Staff $ull extent nat yet kamwn He ley Bonavan has beea added and Hamilton Jer an has became Chief af Staff As far as I am ccncerned that is arganizatienal change President said in press canferenca that Hamilton Jardan is chief enly 9f the staff but in my year there I have felt that the staff has lacked C srdinatioa and thus the change is g ad The third change I weuld mate is $3 Pregident s attitu e He has baan thraugh a p fi 0f intensa introspastion He 13 much mare faraeful a gantragtiag him ta gs after he Rafa $563 is ma e ygsiti$ fegta gt ea th i isz r hira with th 33 May he arga im a 5% as faycefui as gaggibia hink e has mm hear that fram many Q arters an has taken that a vice What has net changed apu1arity is still law but I think perfermance 0f gavernment will reverse itself and papularity will g9 up Bat perfarmance is the key 15$ues haven t change either a energy inflatimn state 9f econemy will be issues of the next election Cangress without S nater Mansfield remains rudderla s The security pelicy an fareign palicy apparatus has not changed fram the autget AS an insider in the pracess I can say here was ma change It was businegs as asual Refugees an ather issues continau and n0 getting resident SecDef etc Br Brzezinski's role u changed bat in future there may be fewer jaint pesitians of Sec Vance Sec Brawn and Dr Brzezinski which gG ta Presi ent rather than separate views Finally cur security policy has net change and will not change 9alicy ta sia in general and Jagan in particulay will net chaage Administrazian ag givaa great emghasia aa has achieve ia East 2 2x3 maay sigaifiaant w have ix ihis $36 ggr alizatign with $hi a es eta geiatigaghip wii agaa wilz mg c a ge Ea max wili aa a$iza i f ati g an en ygy ut thage ara m reiy amastia issueg hesa mum as r9 swim sa m ih intelligance an will maka us a stronger and better ally hi$ canclu es my analysis McGiffart Truly excellent summary with which I maul lika ta assaciate myself Watari Thank ysu MCGiffert If thera are acne I wauld like ta gupplemant we are now within 1 1 2 years fram election Bu get submitted in January will be last befere electian He made csmmitment befere electisn to balance budgat I m sure he will want ta reduce deficit as muah as he can even thaugh he realizes gaal cannot be met But in Vi w cf cammitment t9 3% increase in defense budget and in View 0f increase in Seviet buildup there is a strang argument to increase efense expenditures The Adminigtration is already cammitted ta increasing strategic pragrams and undaubtedly the amerging feeling gn the averali Seviet buil up as hear in tha SALT ebates wiEi be felt in upwar prasaure in sverall defease fia ta stam aa ecaacmic racessiea might sig al the ravargg bat defenge migh prsauaa ganf igzing yfeggaras avg next few gyga i3 t a aitimata siti ad f ha mgriaan pu 2i an Eig iggxa 2 xi hazzay a an $31 a g e s w 191 I u may - Fr- r Sui amm seem marica pu lic is is a conservative mesa Qanservative mead wauld favar a iggar efange bu get ewever har in say with regar ta efense haw streng a yressure will be exerte Lastly and ante again I venture into an unfamiliar area my guess 13 thaa with the exception of Gavernar Brow cf Califarnia whe I dan t knew much abaut my View is that nana 9f the majcr candidates are iselationists As sesurity and fareign policy became issues in the campaign they will cnly be questioned enly ta whether the United States is daing enmugh rather than whe un'it is daing too much Ambassader Mansfield I have ta catch a plane new $9 lang thankg Watari $hauk ycu very much far the presentations 9f My 93att and MCGiffert They were very informative and reflective far me Mr akajima wauld iike ta ask a question Sakajima agree with Watariw $he statementg were vary instructi g Listeaiag ta ma a mad a in a faraign we thgagh tha Eggs ix ap larity was yai gr gafair 2% ga egi entg Qaai yam ala grat as ta rgasans why yxasg ayg gagalayity ag ra $e y Flatt Palli g is impartant but impyessive way 9f taking temperatures cf bsdy palitics Thexe was incxaase after speech followed by a rap after Cabinet ahanges 3% it is back ta where it was befere the speech Mare important ta keep on basics and laak at results Haw quickly are Cabinat changas aing accepted and haw quickly are grograms being adapted 89 far evidence suggests Cabinet changes are being accepted Everybody has his favcrite poll 32 President sayg his favarite was Washingtan ost p011 six weekg age where Democratg voted far him last time sai they wauld dc it again Other pails af 130G peaple say ather things but I think we sheuld stick to the basics Sullivan I have dame some palling Short term results can be misleading Langtterm trends are what is impertant a d polls take time always 133 Yau 313a have ts 366k at what is heiag measure Many measures anly reactiens to gas linesw Gag thing that has been neglezte excegt by a ga Eili is that g tha geegle tf $t the yesi eat ag 2%a3 xii get big aiegte hi k 33 a iffe3tz it Eaka ima zagi e t egg ialiy in eaerg I thi % publi Hi cage is raasgnize it 33 th y reaag ige ig i tagrity mama A 13-5453 i Ika 5537 r Fix-9mg Watari Thank yea It was very instructive It s late but haw abaut a sffee reak Eh McGiffert Fine g 1 BREAK Watari I wauld like ta present my geysenal View abaut amestic situatian in Japan it is dangeraus fer career efficial ta speak tag frankly I am an ta diffefant fyem thege career Japanese afficials an as as brave but I will yresent my View anyway I will have my interpreter reaa a gaper that was grepared by my staff in Tokyc then I will add my cemments Enterprater rea s Watari I wauld like ta call ycur attentian especially t0 latter part of statement Clear that Japanese public is ghifting its epion about defense but 30 ten rapialy It takes time for 10% millicn geaple ta shift Please leak at chart as yau listen ts ma cantrals just abeut aif gth anga af aggresentatives and aaga 3f Ssgnaill r3 iffgren gs between ax Gggasizian 33 mu % i an gagial ggiiay i3 3% pasiti its are sargfa a mmt w at thay 3 3 ggeaitign is b i Eat wauidn t e ifferaat if th y A mm teak power As ycu may knaw 33 as a party principle haldg ta unarmed gentrality Hawever this is becoming aut ate an I undergtan there is ccnfusion in the party about this princigla Racent publig spinion P ilS shaw that even tha majarity 9f su parter5 suypert This skews a camaradictien with this Mr Isibashi pewerful lea er regpanded that public has changed but peaple supper the status qua low lavel af defanse because JSP oppesed Ha sai that if becames tea telerant in efense matters the Situaticn weul became much werse As yam there are leftist and rightist factiens within 38 there are pra USSR and PRC factians Thay are all pressed ts cansi er defens matters more As yen knew the Ksmeite Party has becoming semewhat raaligtic in defense matters They have given in icazians they supyert but this has nat bscame their efficial gslicy ESP vary in 59mg ways mare than is gs antagaaiszic ta the gevernme t in efanse ymliay $hay apygaa 52F 33% Ssaurity $ eatyg kswevsr aha ara QQZ againgt $25 33% aggigst g F as gag Qf E3 if t ay pager hey waal avg efa ze pawar Ra army Shia Eizu 1u is gaaeraiiy same 3% As 15 far as Sacial Eemecratic Fa eratian they are former right wing cf 38 and dan t have much influence It is yassible far us t0 talk with Gppasitimn Parties except 36 an a case by saga basis on defense issmesi Mr cGiffert very wail I canducted a sacret tra e with 38 03 cast sharing and Japanese laborars at US bases How ever political party we can rely on in the and is only the LDP In the Grumann scandal E-ZC frszen funds all parties appased releasi g funds bath speakers whe were centralled the decisien ts recent aews repafts it is said that Special 319 sessicn will be canvened in early September with general electicn later in September at early Octaber May I cantinue ven though it is avertime Ma iffert Y s Watari Evan though n6 public opinian @011 an it it is beligve majarity wili incraa e extant 9f increase ia i5 geats is mat easy ac gre itt at a3 in iaate ia the gkeat gave yam hare ay 3 M t af ihesa are Eram eat s 35 i3 mamhe g 3a that I z iak 3 3 3%3313 gag gag g5 hggag E faym Ss raeg say aha will my 356m 1g iasyease bu 28 but we can t rely an it The expacted increage in seats far is a welcame graspect fax us but I want 3 amphasize that even if has meye than half due t9 aanseusus building system they caanat suppress Gppasitimn must buiE Oppasiticn supyert behind the curtain Biffarent fram U8 systam the lawer hause in Japan has the stronger pawer e g budget ratificatian of treaty can beacme appreve after tima if appraved by lawer house ifregardless cf upper house Far 3 bill situatian is different To legislate passage by bath heugeg is necessary Sacause of this a situatian governmant efficials worry about Hausa 0f Coancillars Half will be elected next summer is having a hard time finding candidates There is a tendency of upper hcuse members ta want ts meve ta lower house 50 situation is difficult ext I will gpeak of the possible fesus in the next electien I think defense matters wsn t e focused an Just like US what Japanesa public is inteyestea in is ecengmic matters an living a nditisns 3% I think yriaag an inflatiaa will a 53333 ya gagt few yaars Japa esa eagnamy next ag E has been gtable Eu recantly whelesale primes have gone up an government is aZarmed Racently the gaak cf 3a an has raisad the disceunt rate an has tried te take a coatractian gelicy in the ecancmy Jayanese public is weyried abeut the energy situaticn but I an't think there will be panic like in 1973 The Jayanese state sf finance is in a catastraphic state an government is cansidering censumption tax but very unpcpular so gevarnment is cansidering not mantiening till after electian As you know very well there are 50 called factions within LDP but very dangereus far career afficials to mentien Career afficials conducting awn directional palicy t0 these facticns Hewever as far as efense palicy is cancerned there doesn t saem to be much difference amang the facticns Fukuda Cabine was con- sidexed hawk Ohira sve but there was me change in palicy if we la k at Ec g term praspeat far palitical sacial aituatisa in Japan it geems 9 me rather stable Let me give yea ang @xample as pf f af my statamani public apinisn 21 in gyri g Quastiag wag whig gaaial 1353 g yw eEang mi la 13w 83% sai thay bei nge ta ai dle gr agger gai g ra r Eggs ha y sai anha y Ea griiy ay tha g t Jagan wag gai g in better directiga ith gh aa t if living gtan ard f Jaga ese is gatigfaa ary r mat repart Sai Japan i5 uatry $5 ggzkaka isg 3 fa i aig t Ea trga Eu Japanese View that they are mi dla Gr uyper class skews their 3 a%ility Althaugh Japan public may net awn nice hauses thay have mcney but gavernment sfficials are excaption My Mc iffert Us 36 My Watari This cancludes my remarks but sings I gave yea gall cancerning efen e prablem I d like Mf Ike a t0 ccmment an it Eka a There is the p311 cf the PM office Pall an 83F concerns but 53mg tendency to ASBF and MSDF Cmncerning raagcn for n maintaining security same 35 last year but table v fature what role for national security this is the first time Page 4 campares 1969 and 1973 In 1978 53% favor MST nly 4% eppese In 1963 12% In 1978 yaung people greatly suppert 34% they were the lcwest in 1968 Big change Mr cGiffert Why is this Mr Ekeda I dmn t knsw I m tag aid atari They d9n t knew about war and def cts cf 01% systamg My Ik$ a asahiESp $91 nsi in he ahart in 1 8 2% gage eraent said SS amygart agaag 55% 3ai $3 wagit gaygart Er gazari angt hiak g Sheaz p i Egg maah 3 phaaig an thig pails gaganegg have go X $ienca ia ralyiag $3 sgmga g lse 5a yampie gxyact Plgase sngt an aystan ummw mm MY $33 1 mega that pyeaence 6f us isn t impartant Mr Ikeda Last chart is ms thly Japanage pail Bislike Saviei greater Ma iffart aw is My Ikada Highly likaly China is seca d and Karea s nat likely Mr Watari Karaa daesa t like Jayan either $ecen after 3533 his 3 vary eiicate akajima Mr Watari g axyianatiaa was very gem prehensive $9 I can t anythiag but Asahi gall was mentianed gaying 56% 531d 3% wan t gaypa t My persanal view is thara is same paint 3 it 39mg peeple e wan gr if a fareign ceuntry waul help as if they ha ta ghed their blaed P911 may act be p ecise but it sh ul ha ignara $5 wa canstantly try ta axglain ta aha gaggle abgut the cre ibility 6f tha Japaa $3 seturity reiatianship an we ar trying 9 maka traaty aparate mare by sslving bage preblem warkiag with Qan gian c iffeyt ar ap$ Asahi palig shaks fears 9f t g haggsg gagyayz 3kg hgpagg akagima taizi g aha we ghaai aaka g zatiga gag Ekg a 33% the gr ss pail ga ia it i3 gagygigktg Tamba wggl iiks ta ma a xief z mag z is g ayzz wa gratgsa r agaia Sa ariiy h A 1 I gnaw a 4m 351 137 - at 52 a Mr atari mentiane changes Sui buds are just ceming up We shouid net psur taa much wateri We aged ye r help as befsre Mr Sullivan E ucatiaa Ministry $a11 is mast inter eating Pre an can almast same till 19 4 but than way up down Phase avaluaticn reason 1 93 0f VS war 2 nermalizatian and 3 growth 3f Ssviet pewer Haw da you rate these Mr Watari The ather ay Mainichi 5p intreduced a ahart mentiening what yen gay They said 1973 was tur ing point and gap is ever increasing Mr Gkazaki Can t say what is rea$cn Change of China attitu e may have greatly influence May not agree with yau that everything stable till l 74 Mr Rakajima I think and 6f Vietnam war cantributed A159 ail shock alerted Jayanase t9 dangers t9 security Maybe n6 sa much on Russian buildup as to ghanga in 19 4 Mr Wateri As yam mentiened it is har ta single Gut indivi ual but everything y u mehticne halped iam aygase S p rt Haw g 363 think avar with fawai frga Eigzna gakajiaa E% rg wag afiar yea with rawai an wag iaaving all 6% Asia kazaki I g rganaliy 53a hara is a timg lag yearg gs z are was yigw $5 wag withizgwigg agia - r I feel we knew this isn t true and I feel this may ahange ia a few years akajima Year leaders ensuring that yam wiil net withdraw eg Sacretary Brawn speech in Los Angeles last February is vary helpful ta ensare us you ara n9 withdrawing 5155 Secretary Brawn s posture statement was very helpful atari Flease let me make a final commen please an t put tac much cre ibility of what is in Japanese press Believe 35 Mr kazaki That is striectly eff the racord Mr McGiffert I think cur staffs have agrae abeut press guidelines Mr Watari As far as these are concerned werking Keval agreements are fine with me Mr McGiffert Wa feel this might have been very useful Aggreciate y ur candar Like 3 maet again maxi yaar I suggest an gtaffs arranga a date next spring at summ r Mr Watari July there is_mpp r h usa alectian aai aal iet scha aie is unkn wnt h rgf re ifficul 9 say what ya wg l gika have a g garal i ea a a aat this time n zz yga a Saagazy gf akg fail wing Eu wa tangt we ike ta cangait with 3 3 aQiffariz $1na gatayi @631 8 gags with ysu that this ggtiag hag @993 vary agafal k aw werg r a - 39 easy an I appreciate effartg 6f US persannel befsre and uring the meeting I am gla we cauld exchange Views frealy and frankly I am happy far frien ly relatians with 38 I think we can salve aur problems tagether and I weuld like ts thank US participants hea e by Mr McGiffert c iffeyt Thank you Thege iscussiens have baan useful and very much appreciate by us Please take Secretary greetings to Minister Yamashita and say we are leaking farward ta his visit Mr Qatari Thank yaur This document is from the holdings of The National Security Archive Suite 701 Gelman Library The George Washington University 2130 H Street NW Washington D C 20037 Phone 202 994-7000 Fax 202 994-7005 nsarchiv@gwu edu