-7 Authorityd q' cg I TELE If Down ssi Oet oser 13 1973 D Hello D Iello 1 I K You don t ep in touch with your old frierds D On the contrary I was afraid to bother you You have been wimirg too many awards I am just reading your correspondence with the E51 otians Your last message about you going to Egypt later on K It was consistent with what we told you D I am not complaining It is marked on the 16th Is anything new K No Is mjust assuming that Kosygin 1111 be returning soon D Yes hi 210 1e is still Moscow not Cairo K The 0 11 111 ng I have a slight worry about is maybe he lailed in his missian Or supposing he didn't fail and suggests something You will understand we will need some time to consider it Don't s for an answer in two hours We have not discussed this with tie Israelis We have been more frank with the Arabs on thi tran 2- am the Israelis It is my judgment that Israel will refus an 1i21lzage on a peace settlement We didn' want any lib ra- yel'n'n'r that osygin is probably in Cairo selling You know what I mean D Yes K We are in a dif cult position D Yet rial- 3 it clear that you need 24 hours Fleas keep in mind if you have any contacts with the Israelis that 1 ot discussed this for ula with them I was so upset Li-2 did with the cr 1 eiir 1 and th would 1 '1 301 le ming th's as 3-33 11 be militrj throuyh the Cami I want to COUIJ 11 ASSIFIEI modes #949039 -t 0 it depends 01 c0111 3 1 on the verdict 3931334113 031 th 111-2061 2 19 4 It is my judgment they will go along 1 1 11er It For ah I they may say thank you It depends on the military sieiah'on What is your impression D It is very Quiet We are waiting for the results from Kosygin he snould get a very straight talk with Sadat - ay sociates the Arabs are lying as Arabs and the - are 13 ga the Arabs and it is hard to tell what is going D Don Jay t1- to an American correspondent You know how the things go in these cases K TheIs1 lis said they knocked out on Sunday 250 tanks Now that -s a bi 1 3 88 3 1 51 Do 11 b l nre to 0 sonleoneo K I quite frankly don't know Our impression is that it is fairly stable D It is 1113 impression it is a stalemate on both fronts K nightmare is a victory for either side - 5 D It is not 0111 your nightmare Are you speaking from the point 0 1fie 7 if you are not here Who will handle this K I 1 1 113 gong - JO the 22nd I may put it off 101' a few days I will aLmost cert rtina ly be here until the 23rd and maybe the 24th K oft 23 1 311eft and not Bus 11 F01 the time being until the 23rd you will stil' and we will be contact with you 12 1 7 1' 2 if Iosygin comes back tomorrow By Saturday we 21 31 21 thing The only thing was I wanted to call you 22 11 11 11 to remind you that in all honesty we have not 33 1 is the Is 18 9115 - 1 1ed th at the Amerieans areuld consult us at i r r r 1131 i is so when it co 11 s toso1t1 tl1ing important iZ' i that will be in t TELECON Dobrynin Kissinger October 13 1973 7 14 p m D Hello K Anatoly D Hello Henry K You don't keep in touch with your old friends D On the contrary I was afraid to bother you You have been winning too many awards I am just reading your correspondence with the Egyptians Your last message about you going to Egypt later on K It was consistent with what we told you D I am not complaining It is marked on the 16th Is anything new K No I am just assuming that Kosygin will be returning soon D Yes his home is still Moscow not Cairo K The only thing I have a slight worry about is maybe he failed in his mission Or supposing he didn't fail and suggests something You will understand we will need some time to consider it Don't ask us for an answer in two hours We have not discussed this with the Israelis We have been more frank with the Arabs on this than with the Israelis It is my judgement that Israel will refuse any linkage on a peace settlement We didn't want any liberals yelling that Kosygin is probably in Cairo selling You know what I mean D Yes K We are in a difficult position D You make it clear that you need 24 hours K Please keep in mind if you have any contacts with the Israelis that we have not discussed this formula with them I was so upset with what they did with the ceasefire and that would be screaming that Soviets would be sailing through the Canal I want to confine -2it to Jackson First of all it depends of course on the verdict something on the line of 242 It is my judgement they will go along with it For all I know they may say thank you It depends on the military situation What is your impression D It is very quiet We are waiting for the results from Kosygin He should get a very straight talk with Sadat K I have told my associates the Arabs are lying as Arabs and the Israelis are lying as the Arabs and it is hard to tell what is going on D Don't way that to an American correspondent You know how the things go in these cases K The Israelis said they knocked out on Sunday 250 tanks Now that is a big order D We have to someone K I quite frankly don't know Our impression is that it is fairly stable D It is my impression it is a stalemate on both fronts K My nightmare is a victory for either side D It is not only your nightmare Are you speaking from the point of view if you are not here who will handle this K I was going on the 22nd I may put it off for a few days I will almost certainly be here until the 23rd and maybe the 24th D Who will handle it K Scowcroft D Scowcroft and not Rush For the time being until the 23rd you will still be here and we will be in contact with you K I expect if Kosygin comes back tomorrow By Saturday we should hear something The only thing was I wanted to call you at a quiet moment to remind you that in all honesty we have not discussed this with the Israelis D they presumed that the Americans would consult us at least we hope that is so when it comes to something important He wanted to show that he is not worried about it I will be in touch with you This document is from the holdings of The National Security Archive Suite 701 Gelman Library The George Washington University 2130 H Street NW Washington D C 20037 Phone 202 994-7000 Fax 202 994-7005 nsarchiv@gwu edu