MEMORANDUM THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON MCLASWED M-0 1210 WC W571111 P04 MONS Est__'1Vn Jw AP Z ' f ti SEi NODIS XG DS Is MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION waam m PARTICIPANTS 3l oloq President Ford Dr James R Schlesinger Secretary of Defense Gen George S Brown Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Lt Gen Brent Scowcroft Deputy Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs DATE AND TIME Saturday August 9 1975 PLACE The Oval Office The White House SUBJECTS Soviet Grain in Turkey Personnel Budget Secretary Schlesinger You have much leverage with Brezhnev on grain Th eiy feed about 100 million tons to livestock They will have to slaughter a lot of them The President Soviet fields Yes I know The astronauts told us about the brown Secretary Schlesinger It As worse than 172 If they come in surreptitiously 'you are-in for a domestic political surprise The President precautions Without going into detail I think we have taken adequate Secretary Schlesinger I was going to recommend an Export Security' Board It's a departure from free enterprise but it protects you Or require announcement of intent to purchase This would pr event them from coming in low and buying quietly leaving the subsequent higher prices for the American consumer 8 1 -E NODIS XGDS PHOTOCOPY FROM GERALD R FORD LIBRARY Henry A Kissinger CLASSIFIED BY DECLASSIFICATION GENERAL FROM EXEMPT ORDER 11652 EXECUTIVE OF SCHEDULE EXEMPTION CATEGORY 5 B 1 3 O- Imp to det AUTOMA 1C i_ i NODIS XGDS The President We are very aware of the problem and I think it is under c ontr 01 Secretary Schlesinger My main point today is to insure that you know about the situation in o o o o o Turkey - and it applies generally The situation is that we have a srrra ll guard and general security responsibility belongs to the host It hasn't been a problem and shouldn't be unless Turkey decides to do something The President It was a problem befcr e What is your appraisal Pastore briefed me on it Secretary Schlesin er You are responsible for the rules of engagement and the de jure custody We have drafted a cable to U S SACEUR It would not require forcible resistance but if an attempt was made to phvsically 1 t It does not apply to though If we would not fight but go to the Government of Turkey and say we are sure it is a mistake and get them out This would avoid a nasty incident and them seizing all the areas or taking other drastic actions -eni Brown My concerns about this is that when Turkey took over a couple of Turks wandered into these areas Right now the U S commander a Captain or Major if he can't communicate has the discretion to start shooting I would modify these unless it was an obvious raid with the intent to ' o o o o o o o o when- his current instructions would apply Schlesinger The present procedures have the approval of the Joint Committee Any change will hav e to go past Pastore The President I have a suspicion that some of the Congress would use this as an excuse to get Sec Schlesinger Gen Brown We have joint instructions with Turkey for destruction etc The President We can't get the I without their agreement Let me think it over at least 24 hours Ems- NODIS XGDS PHOTO COPY FROM GERALD R FORD LIBRARY SE t NODISI DS Secretary Schlesinger _ -3- The U S can't afford to let anyone ooooooooo impunity A worst case -- worse than our having to - to be would be to allow left in the hands of locals Gen Brown So far they have acted very responsibly The President This directive could apply only to Turkey Gen Brown Yes We would change nothing except the contingency where the local commander exceeded his authority and it would take time to sort out Secretary Schlesinizer l _ Gen Brown _ At there is much activity he can get help He can talk to other people etc I am not concerned about o o o o o o o o o o o like I am about the isolated bases The President We need to get the Turkish aid situation straightened out Incidentally I am shocked to see 60 A-7s were sent to Greece Secretary Schlesinger State was fully involved They felt the impact on the Greeks of turning it off would outweight that on the Turks The President I was amazed and had I known I would have stopped it If I were a Turk I would have been furious I can't imagine howl was not informed General Brown leaves Secretary Schlesinger On Schedule C appointments your political people still seem to think it is the place to tuck away deserving people And that they w ant to clear them here The President My recollection is we wanted notification' with the right veto I am not aware we have crammed anyone down your throat That is the way I think it should be done SE'f N ODIS XG DS PHOTO COPY FROM GERALD R FORD LIBRARY Ste' NODIS XGDS -4- Secretary Schlesinger Good On the budget he sent guidelines for $8 billion in the budget and $5 billion in outlays The President I brought this up with Lynn They said they weren't in contradiction to the five-year growth but it looked that way to me I said to talk to you Secretary Schlesinger The 176 plan is $116 billion in obligational authority and $104 billion in outlay That is fine We will have the budget review in the fall The President The five-year projection must be adjusted based on what the Congress does to the 176 budget Secretary Schlesinger Yes SiJCR-LT4N0DIS XGDS PHOTO COPY FROM GERALD R FORD LIBRARY This document is from the holdings of The National Security Archive Suite 701 Gelman Library The George Washington University 2130 H Street NW Washington D C 20037 Phone 202 994-7000 Fax 202 994-7005 nsarchiv@gwu edu