I see - stiL w m saa 9'03 i Q _i rt- comma-3 111 Drafting 0ft and Olin DEPARTMENT OF STATE Approved in 8 12 13 63 Memorandum of Conversation I DATE December 1963 The Secretary's Office Time 12 00 noon sumac- 7 Proliferation of Nuclear Capability Canadian Side Paul Martin Secretary of State for External Affairs 085 Hedard Robichaud Minister of Fisheries i'farcel Cadieux Deputy Under Secretary of State for Focternal Affairs 5 Side Chagles S A Ritchie Canadian Ambassador E asil Robinson Minister Canadian Embas sy 72 The Secretary William R Tyler Assistant Secrstary EUR COPIES T0 Willis 0 Director BNA s sc's P REA so as m-z NEWDEIEI Amembassy Lennon sce EUR sin INR mm on Amembassy 0mm IAEA-US Mission mum Hr I'-Iartin said that recently Canada had signed an agreement on atomic energy with India after a year and one-half of discussion He said he was aware of the fact that the United States had sold a reactor to India and the Canadian agreement might have been of concern to the United States He said Canada had shown the agreement to both the United StatesI and United Kingdom and had not received objections from either but now was in some trouble with Tim The Agency feels that perhaps Canada has not lived up to the standards for safeguards which should be met This raises a serious question in terms of Indian-Pakistan relations He said he had heard now that the French were interested in the matter and he wondered if Couve de Murviille had mentioned it during his last visit The Secretary- said this had not been mentioned by the French and that the French generally have a casual attitude on such matters The Secretary went on to say that with respect to non-proliferation of nuclear weapons the present nuclear powers are pursuing in fact a common policy even though they are not able to agree formally He said the Soviets are worried about the ELF but they have no way of knowing that this does not involve dissemination Our interest in a formal agreement on non proliferation is about 9573 because of Cormuunist China If we could not get China in such an agreement we probably could not obtain ratification in the United States If China becomes a nuclear power serious questions will be raised for India Mr Martin said that he had rather stron views on this matter in view of the Indian problem and might talk later to the Secretary about the matter - I wanna The Secretary said he understood that the Swedes and Swiss had indicated their own reservations at the time of signing the Test Ban Treaty Hr I-Iartin said there were pe0p1e in India although perhaps not in the present government who will wish to emulate the Chinese CommJniBts if China has the bomb cormIDmIAL This document is from the holdings of The National Security Archive Suite 701 Gelman Library The George Washington University 2130 H Street NW Washington D C 20037 Phone 202 994-7000 Fax 202 994-7005 nsarchiv@gwu edu