us Department of State Case No Doc No 005947026 Date 0912912015 RELEASE IN FULL 4 3 CONFIDENTIAL IREVIEW AUTHORITY Theodora 'Sellin Senior Reviewer I 4 PAGE 01 MOSCOW 01 OF 03 2521292 ACTION SS-OO INFO LOG-00 COR-O1 AMAD-O1 ADS-00 TEEBTF 2521302 38 0 2417502 NOV 92 FM AMEMBASSY MOSCOW TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 6739 AMEMBASSY KIEV ID IA SECTION 01 OF 03 MOSCOW 035873 ADDED EXDIS DEPT PLEASE PASS TO SENATOR NUNN AND SENATOR LUGAR 50 12356 TAGS PREL PARM RS US UP SUBJECT YELTSIN TO CONCERN OVER U S -RUSSIAN RELATIONS WILLING TO GIVE GUARANTEES TO UKRAINE 1 CONFIDENTIAL ENTIRE TEXT 2 SUMMARY MEETING WITH SENATORS NUNN AND LUGAR NOVEMBER 24 PRESIDENT YELTSIN EMPHASIZED HIS CONCERN THAT THE CHANGE IN US ADMINISTRATION NOT OCCASION A IN THE U S -RUSSIAN RELATIONSHIP HE PREDICTED A CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 02 MOSCOW 358 3 01 OF 03 2521292 AT THE CONGRESS OF DEPUTI ES BUT HE WILL PREVAIL HE WILL DEFEND REFORM AND HE IS TRYING TO STRUCTURE THE CONGRESS TO PREVENT ITS BECOMING A MOB AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT BUT EXPECTS HE WILL HAVE TO SACRIFICE SOME CABINET MINISTERS YELTSIN WAS DEEPLY SKEPTICAL OF THE WILLINGNESS TO HONOR THEIR LISBON OBLIGATIONS BUT SAID RUSSIA WOULD BE TO JOIN THE US IN A STATEMENT OF GUARANTEES TO THE UKRAINIANS END SUMMARY 3 PRESIDENT YELTSIN RECEIVED SENATOR NUNN AND SENATOR LUGAR IN HIS KREMLIN MEETING ROOM AT 1T3D ON NOVEMBER 23 FOREIGN MINISTER KOZYREV FOREIGN POLICY AIDE RYURIKOV AND AN INTERPRETER WERE WITH THE PRESIDENT CHARGE AND SENATE STAFFERS RICHARD COMBS AND KENNETH MEYERS ACCOMPANIED THE SENATORS UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case NO F-2014-14906 Doc NO C05847026 Date 091 291 2015 Department of State Case No F-2014-14906 Doc No 305847026 Date 091292015 4 IN RESPONSE TO SENATOR CONGRATULATIONS ON A SUCCESSFUL TRIP TO KOREA YELTSIN SAID THE TRIP UNDERSCORED THAT RUSSIA SHOULD LOOK NOT ONLY TO THE WEST BUT ALSO TO THE EAST SYMBOLICALLY HE EXPLAINED THE RUSSIAN PARLIAMENT WOULD SOON ADOPT FORMAL EMBLEM THE TWO HEADED EAGLE - ONE HEAD LOOKING EAST AND ONE WEST A LOT OF GROUND HAD BEEN COVERED WITH THE U S THE ASIA TRIP WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME HEADWAY IN ASIA MINISTER KOZYREV INTERJECTED AT THIS POINT THAT RUSSIA NEEDED TO REMEMBER THAT IN LOOKING TO THE EAST THE EAGLE ALSO LOOKED TO THE UNITED STATES YELTSIN RESPONDED THAT MEANT RUSSIA WOULD LOOK TO THE US IN TWO DIRECTIONS CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 03 MOSCOW 35813 01 OF 03 2521292 5 YELTSIN THEN SAID HE HAD JUST RETURNED FROM A MEETING WITH THE COLLEGIUM OF THE MINISTRY OF DEFENSE SOME THREE HUNDRED FIFTY OFFICERS THEY HAD BEEN DISCUSSISNG THE BEST WAYS TO WAGE WAR IT WAS GOOD NOW TO TALK ABOUT MAKING PEACE AT THE MOD QUESTIONS ABOUT BORDERS WITH THE CIS STATES HAD SEEN ON THE AGENDA THESE BORDERS ARE POROUS AND PRESENT A REAL DANGER WHEN THE USSR EXISTED THERE WAS ONE BORDER AND IT WAS POSSIBLE TO PREVENT THE LEAKAGE OF DANGEROUS TECHNOLOGY FOR EXAMPLE MISSILE TECHNOLOGY NOW WHEN BORDERS ARE ALMOST NON-EXISTENT THERE IS A REAL DANGER THAT THIS KIND OF TECHNOLOGY CAN BE STOLEN AND EXPORTED THE SUBJECT OF SUCH LEAKAGE HAD BEEN SERIOUSLY DISCUSSED AT THE MOD COLLEGIUM MEETING SENATOR NUNN RESPONDING TO THE REMARKS SAID THE PREVENTION OF WEAPONS PROLIFERATION IS AN AREA OF MUTUAL INTEREST AND HE HOFED THAT THE US AND RUSSIA COULD WORK TOGETHER ON IT HE AND SENATOR LUGAR IN THE FACE OF JUST THIS KIND OF DANGER HAD WORKED TO ESTABLISH RISK REDUCTION CENTERS IN THE US AND RUSSIA THOSE CENTER ARE NOW FUNCTIONING AND PROVIDE A MEASURE OF CONFIDENCE 6 PRESIDENT YELTSIN FOLLOWED BY NOTING RUSSIA IS PRESENTLY WORKING TO BUILD NEW FACILITIES TO MANAGE NUCLEAR MATERIALS HE THANKED THE SENATORS FOR THE ASSISTANCE AMD SAID A SUBSTANTIAL PART OF THE USD4OD MILLION IN NUNN-LUGAR FUNDS WOULD BE USED TO DEVELOP SECURE STORAGE FACILITIES RUSSIA HAD DECIDED TO BUILD SUCH FACILITIES IN THE TOMSK AREA CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case NO DOC No 005847026 Date 091292015 U S Department of State Case No Doc No 30584 026 Date 09 299015 PAGE 04 MOSCOW 35873 01 OF 03 2521292 ALTHOUGH HE IMPLIED THE DECISION ON LOCATION HAD BEEN COMPLICATED AT AM EARLIER TIME HE SAID THE SITING OF SUCH FACILITIES WAS EASY PUTTING HIS FINGER ON A PAD HE SAID THE LEADERSHIP WOULD HAVE SAID IT WILL GO THERE AND THAT WAS ALL THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN TO IT NOW IN NEW CONDITIONS OF DEMOCRACY THERE IS A NEED FIRST TO CONVINCE LOCAL AUTHORITIES AMD POPULATIONS THAT THE ENVIRONMENT WILL NOT BE HARMED AND THAT THE FACILITY CAN OPERATE SAFELY 7 NEVERTHELESS IT IS IMPORTANT TO MOVE AHEAD QUICKLY RUSSIA HE NOTED HAS ALREADY BEGUN TO DISMANTLE WEAPONS THAT WILL BE ELIMINATED UNDER THE START AGREEMENT THAT AGREEMENT HAS ALSO BBEN RATIFIED AND ALL OF THIS IS A GOOD FIRST STEP NOW WE ALSO HAVE THE FRAMEWORK AGREEMENT THAT FORESEES REDUCTION IN THE NUCLEAR FORCES BY TWO THIRDS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THAT AGREEMENT RUSSIA HAS ALSO STARTED THE PROGRAM OF DISASSEMBLING THE 88 18 WE ARE PROCEEDING FROM THE FRAMEWORK SIGNED WITH CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 01 MOSCOW 35873 02 OF 03 2521272 ACTION INFO LOG-00 ADS-00 2521282 I38 0 2417502 NOV 92 FM AMEMBASSY MOSCOW TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 674D AMEMBASSY KIEV TIA SECTION 02 OF 03 MOSCOW 035873 ADDED EXDIS DEPT PLEASE PASS TO SENATOR NUNN AND SENATOR LUGAR UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No F-2014-14906 Doc No Date 09129222015 US Department of State Case No Doc No 205847026 Date 091292015 E O 12356 TAGS PREL PARM RS US UP SUBJECT YELTSIN TO CONCERN OVER IN U S -RUSSIAN RELATIONS WILLING TO GIVE GUARANTEES TO UKRAINE PRESIDENT BUSH AND NOW WE HAVE ALSO READIED A DRAFT AGREEMENT NOTE SENATORS NUNN AND LUGAR WERE INFORMED ON THE MARGINS OF AM EARLIER MEETING WITH MINISTER KOZYREV NOVEMBER 23 THAT THE U S WOULD RECEIVE THE DRAFT ON NOVEMBER 24 VIA DIPLOMATIC CHANNELS IN THIS REGARD THE PRESIDENT CONTINUED RUSSIA DOES NOT WANT ANY PAUSE IN COOPERATION WITH CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 02 MOSCOW 3587'3 02 OF 03 2521272 THE U S EXPECIALLY IN THE AREA OF ARMS REDUCTION HE HAD HE SAID SENT PRESIDENT ELECT CLINTON A MESSAGE ON THIS AND TALKED TO HIM ON THE PHONE HE HAD ALSO INVITED THE PRESIDENT ELECT TO COME TO RUSSIA OR TO ARRANGE A MEETING ELSEWHERE SOON AFTER JANUARY 20 THE POINT TO UNDERSCORE THE PRESIDENT SAID IS THAT ANY INTERRUPTION IN RUSSIAN-U S RELATIONS WOULD BE 8 SENATOR NUNN SAID HE HAD TALKED TO PRESIDENT ELECT CLINTON BEFORE LEAVING THE U S ALTHOUGH NOT A MESSENGER THE SENATOR SAID ON RETURN HE WILL RECOMMEND THAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION PROCEED TO NEGOTIATE AND COMPLETE A START II AGREEMENT FINISH THE AGREEMENT ON HIGHLY ENRICHED URANIUM AMD COMPLETE WORK ON THE AGREEMENTS TO IMPLEMENT PROJECTS TO BE FINANCED FROM THE NUNN-LUGAR FUNDS THE SENATOR AGREED THAT WE DO NOT WAMT TO SEE A SIXTY DAY RECESS IN RELATIONS ON THE CONTRARY HE SAID THIS COULD BE A PERIOD OF REAL ACHIEVEMENT 9 YELTSIN SAID HE WANTED TO SOME FURTHER OBSERVATIONS ON THE NUCLEAR ISSUE IN HIS DISCUSSION THE 350 GENERALS A MAJOR POINT MADE BY THEM WAS THAT ALL NUCLEAR WEAPONS MUST BE UNDER RUSSIAN JURISDICTION AND ON RUSSIAN TERRITORY RUSSIA HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH BELARUS TO THE STRATEGIC WEAPONS AND EXPECTS TO SIGN ONE WITH KAZAKHSTAN BUT THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE UKRAINIANS THEY YELTSIN SAID WITH VISIBLE EMOTION ARE GOING TO BREAK THE LISBON ACCORDS AND THIS IS NOT PERMISSIBLE THE CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-20 l4-14906 Doc No 305847026 Date 09l29 2015 US Department of State Case No Doc No Date 0912912015 PAGE 03 MOSCOW 353T3 02 OF 03 2521272 US CAN HELP INFLUENCE UKRAINE AND SHOULD DO SO WARMING FURTHER TO THE SUBJECT THE PRESIDENT SAID HE DID NOT KNOW WHETHER THE SENATORS HAD DISCUSSED THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS ISSUE IN KIEV BUT HE DID KNOW THE UKRAINIANS THEY ARE TRYING HE SAID TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS TO DECLARE THEMSELVES A NON-NUCLEAR POWER AND TO KEEP THE WEAPONS SAYING HE WOULD SPEAK BLUNTLY YELTSIN CONTINUED THAT THE US MADE A TACTICAL MISTAKE IN HANDLING THE NUCLEAR ISSUE WITH UKRAINE IT WAS AN ERROR TO RECOGNIZE UKRAINE BEFORE KIEV SIGNED THE NPT THIS WAS MY VIEW AND ADVICE HE CLAIMED SENATOR NUNN SAID HE AND SENATOR LUGAR HAD TAKEN UP THE NUCLEAR ISSUE IN KIEV IN A FORCEFUL VERY FORCEFUL MANNER THEY MADE CLEAR TO THE UKRAINIANS THAT UKRAINE MADE A PUBLIC COMMITMENT IN LISBON AND THE US EXPECTS THAT COMMITMENT TO BE HONORED-START I RATIFICATION AND NPT SIGNATURE AND RATIFICATION--WITHOUT DELAY AND WITHOUT AMENDMENTS IN RESPONSE SENATOR NUNN CONTINUED THE UKRAINIANS EMPHASIZED TWO POINTS THEY SOUGHT ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE AND PUT GREAT STOCK IN THE IMPORTANCE OF SECURITY ASSURANCES FROM THE US NEITHER OF THESE MATTERS WAS RAISED AS A CONDITION IT WAS EMPHASIZED HOWEVER THAT ASSISTANCE ON THESE TWO ISSUES WOULD HELP WITH RATIFICATION LO IN RESPONSE TO THE PRESENTATION YELTSIN SAID RUSSIA IS READY TO GIVE GUARANTEES IF THEY ARE NEEDED FURTHERMORE HE SAID IF THE US WANTS A JOINT STATEMENT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE BUT THE AIN POINT IS TO GET START I RATIFIED GET START II SIGNED AND PROCEED WITH DESTRUCTION THE UKRAINIANS CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 04 MOSCOW 35873 02 OF 03 2521272 SAY THEY WANT TO DESTROY THE MISSILES THEMSELVES THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE THREE RUSSIAN FACTORIES MAKE THE MISSILES AND ONLY THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY AND THE SPECIALISTS TO DISMANTLE THEM THE POINT HERE IS THAT NO MATTER WHICH ADMINISTRATION IS INVOLVED THE US SHOULD TRY TO FINALIZE THE AGREEMENTS WITH UKRAINE RUSSIA HAS DONE ALL THAT THE US ASKED START I IS RATIFIED THE START II AGREEMENT DRAFT IS READY THE UKRAINIANS ON THE OTHER HAND ARE FOCUSSING ON ONE THING WHEN THEY GIVE UP THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS THEY FEAR NO ONE WILL TAKE UKRAINE SERIOUSLY MAYBE THE US CAN HELP IN THIS BUT THE UKRAINIANS HAVE THE IDEA THAT THEY WILL LOSE STATUS AND IMPORTANCE IF THEY GIVE UP THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS THEY ARE AFRAID OF BECOMING LIKE THE BALTICS OR TAJIKISTAN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE BEGAN WORKING ON THE NUCLEAR ISSUE VERY ENERGETICALLY AND THE QUESTION OF TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS WAS RESOLVED QUICKLY THEN UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No F-2014-14906 Doc No 005847026 Date 09f2912015 C0 5 8 4 7 02 US Department of State Case No Doc No 305847026 Date 09f2912015 HOWEVER THE UKRAINIANS BEGAN TRAVELLING AND GOT THE IDEA THE STRATEGIC WEAPONS GAVE THEM STATUS AND CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 01 MOSCOW 3587'3 03 OF 03 2521232 ACTION INFO LOG-00 ADS-00 IOUDW 2521242 1'38 2417502 NOV 92 FM AMEMBASSY MOSCOW TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE BT41 AMEMBASSY KIEV ID TIA SECTION 03 OF 03 MOSCOW 035873 ADDED EXDIS DEPT PLEASE PASS TO SENATOR NUNN AND SENATOR LUGAR EJ112356 TAGS PREL PARM RS US UP SUBJECT YELTSIN TO NUNNILUGAR CONCERN OVER IN RELATIONS WLLING TO GIVE GUARANTEES TO UKRAINE BARGAINING LEVERAGE PERHAPS HE CONCLUDED THE US CAN HELP WITH THIS PROBLEM BUT ONE THING RUSSIA MUST STRESS RUSSIA WILL NOT PAY UKRAINE FOR TAKING AMD DESTROYING THEIR MISSILES 11' YELTSIN SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO RETURN TO THE MATTER OF A POSSIBLE PAUSE IN RUSSIAN-US CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 02 MOSCOW 3587 3 03 OF 03 2521232 UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No Doc No 0058-47026 Date 09f29f2015 05 8 4 7 0 2 us Department of State Case No Doc No 005847026 Date 099912015 RELATIONS THE NEXT SIXTY DAYS ARE A CONCERN HE SAID BUT ALSO OF CONCERN ARE THE FIRST HUNDRED DAYS OF THE NEW ADMINISTRATION WHEN THE NEW PRESIDENT WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS HIS CAMPAIGN PROMISES AMD WILL FOCUS ON DOMESTIC MATTERS THE RUSSIAN VIEW IS THAT 160 DAYSHHALF A TOO LONG TO PERMIT A HIATUS SENATOR NUNN SAID HE AND SENATOR LUGAR STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT NO SUCH PAUSE BE PERMITTED IT IS TRUE THAT IN THE NATURAL COURSE OF THINGS AN INCOMING PRESIDENT-ELECT AND AN OUTGOING PRESIDENT TRY NOT TO INTERFERE WITH EACH OTHER THE RESULT OF THAT SITUATION CAW BE THAT NOTHING HAPPENS DURING THE TRANSITION WE CANNOT ACCEPT THAT SENATOR NUNN SAID TOO MUCH DEPENDS ON THE RELATIONSHIP 12 WITH THE TIME FOR THE MEETING COMING TO A CLOSE SENATOR NUNN ASKED PRESIDENT YELTSIN FOR HIS SENSE ABOUT THE DIRECTION THE UPCOMING CONGRESS WOULD TAKE AND HOW HE AND HIS GOVERNMENT WOULD COPE WITH IT IN REPLY YELTSIN SAID HE PERSONALLY AND THE MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNMENT HAVE BEEN CONTACTING ALL RELEVANT GROUPINGS PARTIES INTERESTS AND REGIONS WITH THE OBJECTIVE OF INFLUENCING THE AGENDA OF THE CONGRESS THAT PROCESS WILL CONTINUE AND HE EXPECTS TO MEET WITH THE CIVIC UNION AGAIN AND WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE MANUFACTURING AND AGRICULTURAL SECTORS PERSONALLY YELTSIN SAID HE HAS NO CONCERNS THERE ARE ONLY TWO ISSUES TO DEFEND REFORM AND THE GOVERNMENT HE HAS SUGGESTED THAT THE CONGRESS HEAR THREE REPORTS FROM THE PRESIDENT ON THE POLITICAL CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE US MOSCOW 35873 03 OF 03 2521232 FROM SPEAKER KHASBULATOV ON WHAT THE PARLIAMENT HAS DONE TO ADVANCE THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR AND FROM GAYDAR ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE REFORM PROGRAM STRUCTURING THE CONGRESS THIS WAY WILL PREVENT IT FROM BECOMING A MOB FOR THE GOVERNMENT THE LIKELY RESULT IF GAYDAR WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE THE ONLY REPORT ON THE OTHER HAND 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