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I r it lhen 5 in the middle and I w 1d lilce it to be 6 A -dl iO l _ J IlbK7KC lYes Thai wou ld a mOle 4 appropri rc pL'lCC ttause S lmdjmcs lhc sc lhi1l8S get burjed J if it had q'1 bee Q Ooy fjiuC Dated I au L f dIC1r 4 5 distiildio oetwoea who h ow re u oald 1 l bK7KC --b ' lj 'C 123 IS A Not ncttS sarily 19 Q Okay A The 3pproach ould be ' 'de IS lYeo 20 Who eWes ' 21 Ievd a p y e a farm bbo CQu1 1 1cli t hemana tt or a JU 'I - hO 'i C i say rtim a low dse nd it WO ks itS Way up 22 ltlc l IJiJcsl nun k 1cd1 It cOOld o o variety 01 22 farm who 2J forms 1h lO lucsl o ld con ' pbooecall a4 'l Qy'mou 23 t he Iadda It could come wid' an anonymous lclephone call n oo ld COI1OC lhrout1 ' 00' ernployo who 25 bas 000 1 y 1 havctIUs IReS UflI' I'S probably 24 phooc nIL 24 1b c s 'a in IUm td1s w mcbod y lOt of 5 ' 01 and o UtIOI S and hocus-pocus ill aUof 25 lhis sort of slUff andit coeses and lbcn dicz 's a paiod of Page 122 Page 124 I aboutas ricb examples as I cali give 'Oll because I don'l 1 I sort of evaluat ion 2 10 know each and every Ielai bUlil Would COIJl rom - you 2 We have in the past had an ability on occasion not J in a slrclCt sm ut way J always but on occas ion to go back to these ' oups and send n ratuesl be ev Iiualal 0 its itimacy 4 messages back to lCm 10 one st 'lIt a egolia ing p'rooc ss 5 NoW I can tdl you thal in the past aQd I achl3Uy doq t S or two in fact in cluim'as 10 whether or 1I00Ihis is eaming 6 Iu ow aboo OW' clun ut tuy bu tb 7XC l OII13cts who 1 6 from lIlCI 1 1 tacts wilh theguerilla groups ora through Ihinf 1 Wc've had the very Wlplcasan c xptrienCi' of going 8 parties Thaewas by theriamcoCI b 7KC 8 back in one instanoc and saying why' in Ibe world'did y leiU ' 9 1 b 7KC 10 11 guy lOne Ot two'0lIP- '1 I I wOufdjusllii e Ci lnakc$ t ItbK7 C We COIIUII1Illicalc bow sauitivc lhis iaf is in Qf 12 sa urily of people hal be is I idc oti 11 My is--i veoevcrwa1b dihrougb ' 1 18 19 Wh d yOu cao say is1h3lchc rt rc s1cict s ing b It K7KC wisdom I Sa 'oucaaD lsay i t y 20 il Thae is a procCs s or gcttillB it bUl2t TIlE WITNEss Wdl '- ' ' 19 this stqJ hy-sti p 20 with yOU u you I ADd il i$ understoo't'- fIX' the m P3rt money would be givCll to 2 in ux 'oC a pt it is_bdtcr rOl' it 25 to be Ill Ihe LutJl Co clcac1h It you kriaw lo Say that Iikc litis 25 Q In caw 24 mean 'PeoPle woo'rdo'lJlat sensitive lIq j USl woo It do th 2J IlDK7KC 22 ' lriod 10 -- I It's so bae is what 2J would hI do is tb3tl would not to be b 22 Veil tl13l vias a great 13tioo to the 's' I wife and kids 14 ' But thal is attempt to go 'back uld Ed IS level of comfott lIial Otis is IcgitiinatC - An f then- Wc dCcldC 6 in wisdo q bK7KC cally dt ci talks it over' ' i7 wi lbK7Kc IthCy deCide in to rmkedJPY pa t 111E WI1NESS Well 1 was planning on making a l bX7 C k bChavc-ilnd thcy came ba4 vciy 8pOto eti y 'Said that' it ba4 a casc of n cn 12 ' identity 14 Iittlc spctcli'3 oUl Ibat l acliS3Uy YO lr isc a 15 poilll o 16 'AlIow inc Ihe indu4 'QICClo ask is 'loI 17 goiag to bell13dCpubl l ' ' 18 9 this guy if wc Y cmpayingy U Pnd y have 'p rOmi us' ' 10 and you p'rO In It1In would give it to a third party go guy l bK7KCI InCash Page 121 - Page 124 NSA-SEC-14-000249 D 7XC I Mlilti-ragc Tlol CIIIQuiTA BRANDS Page 1 2l P3gC 125 I know nytl ing dr- IIlatic up 01' down in be blidgct QClle rc A In cash End of story Now docs il get I 2 distriburoJ to dlC Ie 1Iu1' il sbould be7 Docs it I et 2 fOf sensitive llaymCDIS no il's approllimaldy docsa me aid 3 distriburoJ - 'Oil know thcr 's a cOIPpussioo for thii' uy 3 of subject Nothing bcyood 1h 1 he 5 lIawdo lulf of il and put il ia his poclcd7 y '1d11 ll w te no way of dclanuning tb il Then oro SOlDe lTs however The tipoffs can 6 4 Q Aod who would be asking thai qucslionT S A IID 7 C 6 Icc tile P YmenI and they burn dowu the packing I Q Oby And is aoybody aslcing DO thaI qucs 7 7 A Catainly not in a rigorous procQ lI'iIt- 8 i talioo aayway AnddlCO yOU y' why the did you burn 8 Q Bue lIne - iaa vuy spccirlC -s asking you W l 9 dawD my packmg station and dq y wdJ we I CI go Ihe 9 i cbc budgetihf f l scuiitivC'payOlCQI accouolslo Columbia 7 be lhal you 10 payment You bwW 1ha1kind bribing I PlC3tl IIK rc s sOrt 10 this year II A Again just 10ccpcat 1 OC in a rigorous fas 12 Nobody' got thoe 00 IhciF cbcclcJjSt I RICan il mij bt OCcur 13 III somebody you know 1Itis 'CU' 10 say by die y 14 ' ything goin on Of ie migl C IIOl IIDQIl it's not '15 procoilU'llUy rigOroUs 16 Q Oulto usc youc cnlliao1ogy it is'OQ yoUr II of follow up in the vQy lUICOllIf bblc natural af 12 C 'aIts 01' rhcy blH1l the oIbtr guy's ckingsbtloo'and 13 1lOC OUrs 14 is Sc ii'S a vciY difr cui uasatlsCaelQlY DOC able III bc tiglJdy bjJ in f paper 'vc 16 g 'VaY t think ' g Ihc preVious ' oo ' o o _ o o 0 ' o 11 lcStimooy wbal bdt and suspc ndctapproaches we ean luvc wilh III tIiis and b JI 1M' do IR rli 6tba-lh3n lben ' dus 19 is no papa I me an as I hat ' 11 chec kl ist focIIDX7XC 18 I A It's on my hocklist fOl' I DX XClilf I wt n to 1c lI 19 you lh31 il is proca1ur t1ly rigorous at top of my' said the FARC isn'l going '10 s'ign rcccM d doc sn'l hring ack pm o pa so ' ' 21 Q AB4then isa dangec to you aU baving b ly 22 ayai bl p tions 00 ydur ks 3 d rc cOtll$ 20 cbecklistor Ih tl indeedI even havea ctri klist thal would 20 r ' 21 be an overstatement II would be the kibdof thing Ih3t i - 22 the natural course 9f reviewing an audii I would lald IIIdo A' Absoludy Bul' kt' sai this halon of 2J e- r - I kasl- il ' id htteand ma il wasn't is dcs with 1h3 p in mind bUllhavc n ys 'assumed 24tbc - 2J I wouldn'tkeepa record of it I c ou dn' swear to YOU'lh31 I've dooe it eacb and 14 25 evay yo r bUI I would IGnd to view a budgct a Page U8 Page 126 'I 1 thaI oocof the sort of books and records issues if yoo 1 wlnp ivc fashjoo 2 will is thai by channclling lJltSC kind of ymcnlS 'iJltO ' 3 you oi ' _ ' ' - ' - ' j bX7 C 4 ma bles prop III JnR3I S 6 1 1 7 bJow one or 1Wo dcsign Jted accoUllts Ihal oo ooe 3 ould M'IO Q issues it'$ ruaicrial o if it ncab to doaf funkly I doubl if it's malaial enough to need o'bl ' noI mY n a of pop oul Okay Ilbiol I oder lba l but I Siot' DOI S 1 il'l get y froal us Iho 'ol lb i wbea 7 0 U U7 6 aot a nr orocu faSh io rlolll-y poi 1 0 vk- it i Io l 7 u yo 'ot Pcroci 1Ioe tobc moj i Q'I Ue'8 4c aca ' 9' - AIldi1 oc cn bit aUrigbtthacSo halikt 10 itd 'ihb or prOc td t We've ba q 'II tdking pcrla tJ t ui' it i 12 th iq sibic it ooM ' i I U aU lhcpbtc ' ' dul if were some jor blip iD 2 one dirod ioD or olhe1 i wOuld be lhc kiad of thing dul o it I ' wi poup or 'I ba to' bss thos c C lpcUcs to satisfy t bqolcs alid S li th ll'$ $0 14 15 ' Q I wa qt 19 move OIl 10 the budgeting proccis' fric a s e ls t is thc i 6 1IuI gdiag proocss for Ux sc aawoti7 17 y c rdoo't ttO ' big ' 18 dc il Th Or inCobbia ' 19 ' 20 hai mvol aud ' ' i bd Wlroow fairly yin ' 21 IbiS wasjusdJCgiDning l ''wa u lcking ih i 22 faidy y 2J 24 ' 'Cltyp ariiuua' yk' iOlfeo 260 000 a It gave us t6 bc ndu nati CBl-V1-o01-o03710 Or f 'b 'p in S b 1ICIl1 t xby tile 2S huclgctiag proocss il W Hddo't' o beY ' q ioo DiyeGBPsificd RcpoltiQI Sen ices I c 202 296-9626 11-2 99 o oo                     National Security Archive    Suite 701  Gelman Library  The George Washington University    2130 H Street  NW  Washington  D C  20037    Phone  202 994‐7000  Fax  202 994‐7005  nsarchiv@gwu edu