CO 58 4 7 O3 4 ·IED U S Department of State Case No F-2014-14906 Doc No C05847034 Date 09 29 2015 Kl Ll A I IN FULL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 01 MOSCOW 30075 01 OF 02 0516322 ACTION ACDA-17 INFO LOG-00 ADS-DO ONY-00 SS0-00 017W --- 69E843 051635Z 38 R 0516302 OCT 92 FM AMEMBASSY MOSCOW TO SECSTATE WASHDC 1579 IREVIEW AUTHORITY Theodore Sellin Senior Reviewer C O N F I D E NT I AL SECTION 01 OF 02 MOSCOW 030075 E O 12356 DECL OADR TAGS PARM START SUBJECT OFFICIAL-INFORMAL 1 CONFIDENTIAL - ENTIRE TEXT 2 LUCAS FOLLOWING IS A MINI-SITREP OF THE MEETINGS IN KIEV PLEASE PASS THIS INFORMATION TO ALL WHO NEED IT IN SNA WISNER SENT MORE DETAILS WHICH WERE COPIED TO RON YOU SHOULD ASK FOR COPY IF NOT DISTRIBUTED I ASSUME THERE WILL BE AN EMBASSY REPORTING CABLE SOONER OR LATER 3 ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROL THEY ALL MADE THE RIGHT NOISES ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROL AND MOST ON THE TRIP FEEL AT EASE ABOUT THAT SUBJECT MOZOROV DEFENSE MINISTER TOLD ME THAT BOMBER NUCLEAR CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 02 MOSCOW 30075 01 OF 02 0516322 WEAPONS WOULD BE RETURNED TO RUSSIA BUT THAT WITH REGARD TO THE BOMBERS THEMSELVES THERE WAS AN ALLOCATION OF THE FORCES OF THE FORMER SOVIET UNION AND UKRAINE HAD ROOM TO RETAIN THEM UNDER THE TREATY I THINK HE MEANT CFE BUT WISNER ARRIVED AT THIS POINT AND I COULDN'T FOLLOW UP MOZOROV SAID THAT THE BOMBERS WEREN'T PARTICULARLY SUITED FOR UKRAINE AND MIGHT BE RETURNED TO RUSSIA BUT AT A PRICE NOT CLEAR WHAT THE PRICE WAS OR WHETHER HE WAS TALKING ABOUT BEAR BLACKJACK OR BOTH 4 IMPLEMENTATION I HAD ASSUMED THAT THERE WAS A FOUR-PARTY AGREEMENT NEARLY COMPLETE WE HAD SEEN A DRAFT EITHER FROM KIEV OR MOSCOW DON'T REMEMBER WHICH IN AUGUST UKRAINE SAYS THAT THAT DRAFT HAS FALLEN APART THAT THERE IS NO AGREEMENT ON UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2014-14906 Doc No C05847034 Date 09 29 2015 From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive DEPT FOR ACDA LUCAS FISHER FROM NST AMBASSADOR BROOKS CO 58 4 7 O34 ·1ED U S Department of State Case No F-2014-14906 Doc No C05847034 Date 09 29 2015 IMPLEMENTATION AND THAT RUSSIA NOW PROPOSES TO DEAL BILATERALLY WITH EACH STATE WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH RUSSIANS A SS-24 DESTRUCTION THEY WILL DELAY THIS UNTIL LATER AND ARE FOCUSING ON SS-19S FIRST THEY STILL THINK MAY WANT TO USE THE MISSILES FOR SPACE BU CLEARLY HAVE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT IT IN DETAIL THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN LOOKING AT INCINERATING THE MISSILES IN A CLEAN ENGINE NOT FURTHER DESCRIBED CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE03 MOSCOW 30075 01 OF 02 0516322 B SS-19 DESTRUCTION THEY HAVE MADE A FIRM DECISION NOT NOT TO USE THE FACILITY IN BELARUS THEY UNDERSTAND THE BEL ARUSSIAN FACILITY WILL CLOSE AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND THE EQUIPMENT WILL SHIFT TO RUSSIA THEY PLAN TO BUILD A FACILITY IN UKRAINE AND ESTIMATE 60 MONTHS FOR DESTRUCTION THEY CLAIM TO NEED HELP WITH RESEARCH COSTS TANK CARS FOR FUEL AND FOUR TO FIVE CRANES OF 100 TONS LIFT TO DISASSEMBLE SILOS THEY HAVE MADE A FIRM DECISION NOT TO USE EXPLOSIVE DEMOLITION FOR SILOS THEY APPEAR TO PLAN ON NO ASSISTANCE FROM RUSSIA AND CLAIM THEY CAN DO THE TASK ALONE C SPEEDING UP EARLY DEACTIVATION THE UKRAINIANS SHOWED NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER IN EARLY DEACTIVATION DURING THE TECHNICAL DISCUSSIONS I HELD THEY CLAIMED EARLY DEACTIVATION WAS A VIOLATION OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY PROCEDURES OF START WE TRIED TO EXPLAIN OUR APPROACH BUT IT'S CLEAR THEY AREN'T HAVING ANY AT LEAST AT THE TECHNICAL LEVEL MY IMPRESSION NOT SHARED BY EVERYONE IS THAT THEY ALREADY THINK THE TASK IS HARD AND DON'T EVEN WANT TO CONTEMPLATE THE THOUGHT OF ACCELERATION D U S DRAFT AGREEMENT THEY HAD SOME AGREEMENT ON U S ASSISTANCE WHICH BURNS HAD TABLED ON HIS LAST TRIP WHICH THEY WANTED TO REVIEW PARAGRAPH BY PARAGRAPH YOU MAY GUESS HOW THRILLED I WAS TO FIND THAT THERE WAS A TABLED AGREEMENT THAT l'D NEVER HEARD OF ALTHOUGH I WAS SOMEWHAT MOLLIFIED CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2014-14906 Doc No C05847034 Date 09 29 2015 From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive 5 DEACTIVATION PLANS WE MET SEPARATELY WITH THEIR START PEOPLE HEADED BY A COLONEL ASTAKHOV THEY TOLD US THE FOLLOWING CO 58 4 7 O3 4 ·IED U S Department of State Case No F-2014-14906 Doc No C05847034 Date 09 29 2015 PAGE 04 MOSCOW 30075 01 OF 02 0516322 NHEN IT TURNED OUT THAT OSD AND JCS DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT ANY SUCH AGREEMENT EITHER PLEASE HAVE TA GET A COPY FOR ME FOR FRIDAY THEY HAD IT UKRAINIAN ONLY F NEXT STEPS THE DEFENSE MINISTER TOLD FRANK MILLER THAT WE SHOULD STOP ASKING THEM NHAT THEY WANT AND PRESENT A PLAN FOR MISSILE AND SILO ELIMINATION I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE ATTITUDE NOTED ABOVE IT IS TIME TO MOVE FROM GENERALITIES TO SPECIFICS TELL KARIN TO START PUTTING TOGETHER THE OUTLINES OF SOMETHING THAT WE CONFIDENTIAL NNNN CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 01 MOSCOW 30075 02 OF 02 0516332 ACTION ACDA-17 INFO LOG-00 ADS-00 ONY-00 SSO-00 017W ----69EB77 0516372 38 R 0516302 OCT 92 FM AMEMBASSY MOSCOW TO SECSTATE WASHDC 1580 C O N F I D E N T I AL SECTION 02 OF 02 MOSCOW 030075 DEPT FOR ACDA LUCAS FISHER FROM NST AMBASSADOR BROOKS E O 12356 DECL OADR TAGS PARM START SUBJECT OFFICIAL-INFORMAL CAN CIRCULATE TO THE INTERAGENCY SHOULD BE SPECIFIC IF THEY WILL DO X WE CAN AID THEM WITH Y TELL BURNS WHAT WE ARE DOING IT MIGHT BE UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2014-14906 Doc No C05847034 Date 09 29 2015 From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive E GENERAL ATTITUDE ON U S ASSISTANCE THEY ALL SEEMED UPSET THAT THEY KEEP HEARING ABOUT NUNN-LUGAR AND KEEP SEEING US COME AND ASK QUESTIONS BUT THEY DON'T SEE ANY MONEY THEY SOUNDED VERY FRUSTRATED CO 58 4 7 O34·IEo U S Department of State Case No F-2014-14906 Doc No C05847034 Date 09 29 2015 EASIER TO HAVE THE FIRST DRAFT ONLY INCLUDE SS-19S 6 SPACE LAUNCH VEHICLES THEY GAVE US A RUN DOWN ON THEIR PLANS SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THEY HAD A DEAL WITH KAZAKHSTAN TO USE SS-18S FOR SPACE LAUNCH BUT THAT THERE WOULD BE NO NEW SS-18 PRODUCTION FOR THAT PURPOSE OTHER PLANS ALL SEEM TO ME TO BE NO PROBLEM FROM THE START STANDPOINT SPACE CLIPPER IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE ISSUE AND THEY CONFIRMED WHAT WE HAVE HEARD BEFORE 7 RATIFICATION THEY ALREADY HAD THE RESOLUTION OF CONFIDENTIAL MOSCOW 30075 02 OF 02 0516332 PAGE 02 RATIFICATION AND WERE ASKING QUESTIONS ON IT TIMBIE AND I ANSWERED SOME BUT I'll DO A PAPER WHEN I GET BACK TO SEND THEM I ALSO LEFT A COPY OF THE ARTICLE BY ARTICLE ANALYSIS OF THE LISBON PROTOCOL WITH EMBASSY TO GIVE THE UKRAINIANS ON MONDAY IF THE EMBASSY THINKS IT WOULD HELP THE UKRAINIANS CLAIM THAT THE HEU AGREEMENT AND THE FACT THAT THEY AREN'T GETTING A SHARE OF THE PROFITS IS A PROBLEM THEY GAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT SECURITY ASSURANCES THAT SOME OF US LIKED AND SOME OF US DIDN'T ROMAN POPADIUK U S AMBASSADOR SAYS THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY KRAVCHUK CAN PUSH START RATIFICATION THROUGH THERE WAS NO INDICATION OF WHEN THAT MIGHT HAPPEN MOZOROV TOLD ME THERE HAD BEEN A DECISION TO HOLD IT UP PENDING RESOLUTION OF THE HEU ISSUE BUT NO ONE ELSE GOT THAT SEVERAL UKRAINIANS SAID THEY THOUGHT THE RATIFICATION WOULD OCCUR BY THE END OF THE YEAR 8 COSTS THEY DID NOT NOT RAISE INSPECTION COSTS OR SEPARATE POES THEY DID ASK IF WE WERE GOING TO EXERCISE OUR RIGHTS AT PAVLOGRAD CITING THEIR COUNTERINTELLIGENCE COSTS I SAID WE WERE GOING TO ESTABLISH PPCM 9 GPS ABM THEY SAID THEY WANT TO BE A SUCCESSOR STATE FOR ABM TREATY PURPOSES AND SEEMED UNMOVED BY WlSNER'S EXPLANATIONS OF WHY IT WAS A BAD IDEA WE DID NOT HAND OVER THE GPS CONCEPT PAPER EMBASSY WILL DO ON MONDAY 10 THATS ALL I KNOW FROM KIEV PLEASE GET PEOPLE CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 03 MOSCOW 30075 02 OF 02 0516332 STARTED ON A PAPER WITH A PLAN FOR WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP UKRAINE ON DISMANTLEMENT IF NECESSARY CALL AN UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2014-14906 Doc No C05847034 Date 09 29 2015 From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive CONFIDENTIAL CO 58 4 7 O3 4 ·IED U S Department of State Case No F-2014-14906 Doc No C05847034 Date 09 29 2015 INTERAGENCY MEETING ON THE SUBJECT ALSO PLEASE CALL FRANK MILLER AND TELL HIM I HEAR THAT WOLFOWITZ WILL BE IN KIEV NEXT WEEK ALSO TELL FRANK WE ACDA ARE FOLLOWING UP ON THE IDEA OF A SPECIFIC PLAN ON U S DISMANTLEMENT ASSISTANCE 12 THIS IS PROBABLY THE LAST YOU WILL HEAR FROM ME l'M IN A MILL-AROUND MODE UNTL START DISCUSSIONS WEDNESDAY l'LL BE IN OFFICE FRIDAY HANG IN THERE LINT STRAUSS CONFIDENTIAL NNNN UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2014-14906 Doc No C05847034 Date 09 29 2015 From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive 11 NEW SUBJECT JUST BEFORE I LEFT KEN MYERS FROM LUGAR'S OFFICE CALLED SUGGESTS WE LOOK AT ARGUMENTS MADE BY WALLOP AND DRAFT SHORT REBUTTALS FOR USE WHEN IF DEMIRVING TREATY GETS SIGNED MIGHT HAVE RODNEY GET THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD AND MAKE A LIST OF THE ARGUMENTS DON'T START DRAFTING UNTIL I GET BACK AND WE ALL GET TO TALK