'5'7 03 693 7 039 DDRE S T F l •-- - CD VOC-1 002 I OFFICE OF THE UNDER SECRETARY • F DEFENSE I p oK _ I I WASHINGTON DC 20 3t 1 - I I ILCQUtsmON 26 19CJ3 I ' MEMORANDUM FOR AMBASSADOR GOODBY I I I I j This memorandnm i IUDmarizP S the visit of the lll Ujm Strate2ic Nuclear Delivery Vehicle SNDV Dismantlement Technical the United States from April 17-24 1993 j I I The Ukrainian team m ri1 ed in Washington D Q on mt lV Apn117th dense The team was composed of four experts Mr Sokol M9 of Convp-sion Mr Zdanov Defense Conversion Mr Vmta Ministry ofDefi and Mr ll ashkevitch Academy of Sciences LtCol Ovchm oko Defcnse e n head of the working group was expected bat did not make the trip Sokol e gJeadcr rted that 1 Ovcharenko fell ill on the evening before the he dnleo d ocimre ani i could not travel ' ' not receive During the week he subsequently told me confidentia py tha harenko did pemussion to travel Neither he nor the other Ultive f the Def Ministry Vmter received clearance to come to the U S and ilie · team did not know if this was caused by an oversight or for same malicions Vmtcr traveled without permission and expressed some concem for his status lJPOn 'PTI I The U S side took onr gnests sightseeing o n 18 and prJotaliv of OSD JCS DNA and 1he IC traveled across the colID#y on following shhedule • April 19 Briefings at DNA on the U S bid ocnrement Jocess and what we do to convert closing militmy bases to otfu r uses I I • April 20 Tour at the Cedar Chemical Company Yicksbqrg M incltjding observation ofnitrogen tct ronde storage tanb mikc r rail bar tanker tnlck emergency 1 • ons pment sponse escort -vehicles and varioo s emergency Hfd I • April 21 Tour at fue LonghomAnny Ammunitiohlmtt mhal l including a tour ofthe static fire factlities used during elimination of e Pershing during INF and a briefing an what the U S wollld do to c 46 SS-24s I I I I j 1 1 I I From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive SUBJECT Ukrainian Experts VJSit U - 11 '8'i O J 693 i OJ9 DORE S TNF i --- CD -1 I OC @ooJ Ii I ooelJ h iyl April 22 Tour at the Tooele Army Depot 'f UT · lw ling a tour of three incinerators ofthe type v --bich could be -used to incinerate I We escorted the Ukrainian team to Dulles ruq brt for April 24th Items of inn rest from wrious portions ofthe r · departure on Samrday I I follo Ukrainian elimination plan Mr Lashkevich brietly showed e the lJkraiIµan plan for eHminarion which appeared to be 20-25 pages in length and cotmt er- gned by 12-15 ministries It includes cost schednles maupowei requhemeuts etc Total cost of the program is set at S2 589B but inclades the costs ofthe cial - ofjobs and bonsing for displaced personnel Costs include their ofvalne fm jequipmait the U S will provide and are further inflated by the met tJ at all I fIDpower is priced at U S labor rates rather than Ukrainian - and manpower costs accopnt for one third ofthe tom cost Their rationale for this is the plan must be tied th a cmrency to be realistic When asked whether the plan called for the elimioaricin of 176 silos thJ Ukrainians were evasive and staled it depended on the Rada f35 'f I I Near-term elimination activity The Ukrainians indicaie that MoD budget does include funds for elimination and SSOOM rubles was din 1 92 Mr Lqsbkevich Academy of Sciences will be involved in monitoring these to MoD is using them for elimination activities They plan to begin th · · ·on pro for 20 SS-19s dming 1993 and will require 10 heptyl and 26 amyl er ri ilcars to tfan$port store the associated propellant The Ukrainians smte the need for soln tiok for their railcar needs and the facility upgrade at Dnepropretro to e this fir k step in the elimination process t in sari n c· J Pleafor help with members ofthe Rada T h e asked for U S help will explaining the dismantlement task to members ofthefr pam akent They claim there is very little appreciation for the technical reqoirements of1he JHroinatinn pTo n in their legislative body They also show signs of o n u9er American co anies lobbying the Rada an subjects which confuse the es at h Jna For l e U S companies appa rcatly market themselves as being able to elffniuat e the IID hlear warheads I on the ICBMs stationed on Ukrainian soil as an alteaktive MVing taken to RDssia for dismantlement lI Ukrainian tanker railcar production The Ukrainians estJII241te the railca r prodnction facility at Mariupol would n quiie 2-3 months ofpreparati before able to begin to build -Jim railcar prodnction of tanker railcars It wow d take another -4 m and the plant could produce up to 36 cars per year mice proclnction is in fall swing When asked about cost Z fano r indicawi 1he plant · givenjnst or to their I thezd being 1L I t From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive • O l 26 1 9 -3 11 1 2 'a'iOJ 693 i 0 J9 DDRE S TNF •• - CD V OC - lJ 00 -I ' I 4n departme3 was SlOOK for aheptyl car and $260K for amyl car FYI imtial U S cost estimate for cars designed and prodnced here are Sl lOK and 140K Y - I responded that these costs were mnch too high to allo I fa v le considenttion of • Ukrainian production in the competitive bid process The Ukiainians promjscd to reevaluate their cost data I I rn • ·- - rar car There remams • some uJlllJ hlOn -C - on totat uM'mman uu r reqznrements requirem nts for railcars The Uktainia ns conti rme to state need for 37 lheptyl cars and some nmnber of amyl cars below 40 Bot they wJuid no confirm 1he infom ation provided in February about 38 heptyl cars already in · e Fmhlty for the first time the Ukrainians told ns they already have an µlditio 3 000MT 6fhept 'l in storage with capacity fur another 500MT I co · Ukrairdan plans for lzeptyl The Ukrainians remain to finding uses for their • excess heptyl They noted plans to use some for sp I Jann pmposcs 4tI7 flights per year anticipated and are just getting initial results from their ientists on alternate uses sncli as fur pesticides paint hardener anti- llrmsives ICICI Solid rocket motor static fire The Ukrainians admitted they significant static fire f acilities in their commy but discassed technical problems · the procd s for the SS24 The second stage is different in design frmn U S jmissil and offers J technical challenge for static firing While we assame some technical lntion was icbieved during design and testing the Ukrainian team was very • about a smtic fire solution to their SS-24 problem I I Summary Allhough -we were disappointed about ttbo1 o's absence the U S team felt the trip was very snccessfol The Ukrainiaris were verwfielmed by om hospitality the beauty of our coumiy our openness bi willingness lb pmvide infonnation We stressed the need for them to retm n and p these ¥ sions on to their respective ministries and the Rada The exp arc vinced of CJIIt desire t o provide assistmce but they voice concem over the siare of olitics in Ukraine I I 1JJa 2J ¥ s Richard Rosz Colonel USAF rbairnJan V isma µtiemeht Worldng I j · Di · ti n1 · S a crops 7 eearitySIDa n ement e eganon I II r I I From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive 1 1 0-1 26 1 9 11 10 '5'i0J 693 039 DDRE S T F ACD VOC 141001 I 'I OUSD A Strmgic SpacejS 'VStl lm Strategic Anos Control and Comptce · I SAC q Rm 3El21 The Pentago Wasbingu n DC Fax 703 693-7039 Vi 7 310 • 703 69 7840 From Colonel RockRoszak To 'MikeStafford ' FAX 2112 7-00lr Date 26 Apr93 Namberf ' 'rnor'14 NOTE Mike Attached is a memo for tbe boss on last w s visit somc thiog to Imd on the ffagbt to Minsk Tnski I I I giveyou From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive ••