CO 68384 62 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06838462 Date 10 19 2021 cool to that idea Y He makes a big pitch fof debt relief forgiveness Taken globally we owe $80 billion and·we are owed $140 billion We _haven't been able to collect because it's from Cuba Libya and Iraq And none of the CIS countries have paid one kopek Could you forgive the difference between $l40 and $80 billion or to $60 billion It's only morally fair since we took over the debts of the old USSR C We'll have to take that up debt forgiveness Y Fine c I hadn't planned to go because of the Summit of the Americas but if there is important business to do I'll go Are you going to be there Y I'll give the same answer if there is important work for you and me to do in building a better Europe W_ill you go to the Copenhagen meeting in March C I haven't decided Secretary Bentsen has talked about further What about the CSCE Summit in Budapest You'll be there right Boutros Ghali has asked me·lS times potus has taken out a cigar to chew on -- yeltsin interrupts himself do you smoke clinton says no hillary would kill him also he's got alergies he smokes about one a month outside yeltsin says ok because i'd been told you don't smoke he gets his health intel J One last thing on NATO Please note I have never said we shouldn't consider Russia for membership or a special relationship with NATO So · n n when we talk about NATO expanding we're em hasiz · e sin yo Jee ive wor wi you an others to maximize e chances or a truly united undivided integrated Europe There will be an ex ansion of NATO but there i · et If we started tomorrow o include all the Visegrad countries it would still take several years until they qualified and others said yes The· issue is about psychological security and a sense of importance to these countries They are afraid of being in a gray area or a purgatory So we're going to move forward on this But I'd never spring this on you I want to work closely with you to get through it together This relates to everything else When you did what you did in the Salties it strengthened your credibility That's why we ·have to work through the UN on N-K As anti-Russian it's not · ex there is no immi etable And we'll work ogether I don't want you to think I wake up every mor·ning thinking about how to make the Warsaw Pact countries a part of NATO What I do think about is how to use NATO expansion to advance the broader higher goal of European security unity and integration - a goal I know you share Y C understand · af d I thank you this at the press conference is for the expansion of NATO ou're asked if you'd exclude rrat's all for what you've said If you'• re asked about I'd suggest you just say that while the U S the process will be gradual and lengthy • Russia from NATO your answer should be no · That's already the answer we've given At the President's request Deputy Secretary Talbott amplifies citing Secretary UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06838462 Date 10 19 2021 CO 68384 62 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06838462_ Date 10 19 2021 Perry's public disagreement with German Defense Minister Ruehe in which Ruehe said never to Russia in NATO and Perry said we're not ruling it out Y Good for Perry He i smarter than Ruehe j UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06838462 Date 10 19 2021