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lcdi6od ia-y amdodtd 14 by a ltlllc or kdcnl agcaey1 IS 16 ti- somcihlng of 1h 1 nalUIC It would be very IOUgh for me lo aivc you dates 7 but during counc of my •d 0 lf e 8 pl'OIDOICd I lbiok 1 couple of times and cwnmally was 9 IICfing a wb idl a practic al mattQ10 meant lbat I ranf6 1 r• C7 C but • lways closely 5 11 lltlc was '' a 1• x 7x q 6 vay shortly aflcr or tdativcly bortly 1ftcr I left that 7 Page II That -ld have been in lhc swnma lbJ•• • p 2 mla C$ting tnd 13 tairuy educational but I w s • bit i'llslnJed by S011 • nd was IS inlQUICd in dolng lllings opposo llo sort or lookfug t 16 whal olhcr people wc -c doing so after •bout fc 61 f0 7 with 17 ••ii •xt i i friend of mine who bad been a friend both in 18 colqc and cYaJ mlly ·•m las wdl asb d me lo 11 avc 19 1cc him d c 20 cnllqlrcncorial VOJII in which we SCI up af • ii 1 l'Om t 2 q t•fol•X7XCJ pmpany 14 of aftc rdic-Cact n vcw utun of lhc wbolc I• j• • • faodjoia 22 atl • inl • Fnan The two of us set this company up We had a linle 23 bit of fllllDCiag rrrm a peuivc ioYCSlOI i n we more oflcn dran llOI 1ri1h linlc or oo bowblgc of ihc IIClml i1 was more a maaa of foonalily dim 24 - I • company callc4' a b I C t 25 was a relhc r IIIIR IIW kablc company nd it was a ralhc r 2S incident il d but Page 10 2 Q S N ·11 ia tbc Unilcd Stales l l 4 A Noching io die Uuiicd Stttcs Q Oby H YO you cw - ba a •-hsa dd'c adul or 5 n spoadr nt ia aay tclioa or prococdiag brougbl by tbc S8C 6 eay Olhc r fCllkn l agcacy a SUie tc Cllritics igc ocy tbc NASO 7 « uy stock c wia gc7 17 Q Tm me frona illc cod of 'Ollt education 18 a n gb yam •islory BuicaJJy _ _ 1oomg for is if 1 l could aac all tbc wry Wougja widi yw tdliagJDC · 24 2S ri°ir thal company tbc position you held aad lhc time period you bdd tb a1 pasitioa So jll$l wort lbroQgh promotiom ud wua time period 'OIi - wt en A All right I graduatxl 15 I lllc Qlionai from IQ put my ftSUmC- with 1111y 1l ndgbbor of mine who was • ma111gana11 coosulWII for some advia and ·bcsaid dal be • lso wam' tswcbul lhalbc-id 14 call SOIDCbody a friend of • aad llfk Jud thal friend 15 IUmal OUI IO be a senior VP at Chiquita 16 Chiquita's toll OC'IIIO hcadquancrs w i lhar limG 17 in BoslOO tnd this y lisll nCd IO the story gave us lhc I mmcofa let but cxprcuc d a inlac 51 ill 19 dang IO IIIC 20 I bad potcnllally an inrcn sting background for 21 Chiquita because 1 had span time io Colombia South America I A RlguL 2J _ • I this ay I coaJ cl jase get aa idea of arias I was wry mi call and I wusn't sure who lhc 11 good ones were and who the bad ones were so I asked a Q We awaal-oldlillicl udtllcn butif tbc company you womd for tbc lUIKl period Oil wodr al S long painful s10cy short about a yc ar and a half 6 lhc n aflcr I wa1 lookins for wotk We decided 10 close dowri 7 lhccompaay and I wu looking for And living i n tio 3 bis1 lc i 11 - c 10 old headbunt r in I 19 20 ' 21 22 10 mr k • 4 very dilflQll4• 3 • - 9 IJ - coald staruQg wida wllcn 1 i lcft off wida JQS 14 cxliacatioo whidi f lhjak - I laaYO yuaf O • • 7iic 1s r xoi 101 7XCI Ill There WU I cn dlt cruncb U1 Ille U S al lbal llmc 3 inJCrc St ralc S wau as bigb as 12 13 pcn mt II wu very I A No I bavcn' 9 Q Hnc 'OIi C 'CI' bccu a dcfcodmu la my Kliua 10 Uegiag vlolatioa1 of tbc fodcnl securities laws 11 A No I have l'l0l 12 Page 12 I IJJlmllll'kablccxpcricnce 1 anything else 22 so Is Spanish La tin Amaica wu 1104 • culrunl issue 2J for 24 ' • I'm actualllf • I I ioic rvicwaf with I ftWllbcr of 2S diffc n 111 c ompaaics had a number or diffc rmt job offci1 Diversified Rcporti02 Services Inc 202 296--9626 11-23-99 Page 9 • Page 12 NSA-SEC-14-000221 Multi-Page nc I b C 'CUIQUITA DRAND S rage 1 s Page 13 I bu1 cvaitually decided tu go wen for Ouqwta l lbc b s lr n y rs but at that palOd of time v s bad b allllllll I l bX7 C 2 2 division 1h31 wen primarily pw-c 1 fruil divisions when I b 7 C 4 b 7 C J - did Ml owu fanns b111 n lhcr pure f111i1 from 4 t as$0CialG produccn and we h d divisions 1hat 5 b 7 C 5 6 6 a linle bit of fruit bul primruily we·owned fanns and 7 7 proclucol lhc fnJjl ourseh·cs 8 9 b C 9 1 b 7 C 10 H 12 Now 10 Mutitions ova- lhc years ve blurnd Yq'y wbswltially ' ll bccau sc whac we ongilllllly wae purcha$iag fruit we've come 12 IO own fanm lid so for1b and SO OR SO WC DO loc g q m u e '' I 3 clistinctioo along those but at that firnc chat -wa th 1-4 distioctioa that we nude_ purchased or p fni it Al die end of lhat pttiod my-boss' 14 have loday approaclv d me and·asked 1ne if I would coasidct · 15 leaving die f uuncial trc a gc ning lnio·lhc gcna al 16 - area and·he invited me l b lKC 17 b 7 C I IS divisioas 16 • I I l b 7 C l'b 7 C 18 'i t-low lbc n s_boa a litie cl rigc a_nd lh -c's been 19 19 I 20 gcographic3l sort or shif tiog around wbicli 21 21 explain In 2 · rc spoosibililics ave bGal very $imila IO what 11 cy I II 24 dccisioa bc c ause obviously sort of-goinc f • nanual 25 functional arc I wtocre you lend lo be fairly ·maddable co I somcthit g as spocialitcd as gcna-al roan t in the banan · 2 J · Ive me pl IUSC fur lbought but lo make a long story shoct J 4 again ·4 s position for I guess •he bctc«·part of two I t I purcha ed and· produced 2 busioas whee You don't fend to be lc riibly marketable 1 did accept de position and I fu'nctioncd in that rS U rd'pr·CO if is die l11tin ote division A-L-M·l-R·A -N•T-£ ll_ that happens ktbe poi1 lbac we use - ·And ·we H - on mmcs sd'a to it as the Cbanguinola C·l l-A'-N-0-U-l -O- IS L- - division At-any ntc f wu lhoi ncnl managu of that 17 division for 'aboul chrai·-ycars-aod ·f bcJievc l nta1tioocd that 1a it on s ia early 1984 111a _1 was tr m ranxt 10 t-cncral ' 19 maaaga of the llooduras division Honduras division was The 20 111 dial time ow- wi csrbanana divisioo a_od ·Hunctioood 21' lhac its gmcnl m inaga witil •- I guess it wouia have boat 22 soruc li i c llound the aid of 1987 · bX7 C -· I At one point i time l b t7 CJ b 7 C ' · 7 The Oocas divisioa in me-we talk • it again 9 in S lUIC ·goes by dlra intacbac blc nautes'lhat I 10 c ould u sc 0 11 any occ sklll It's exactly die · aa1c pbcc ·We -U 1o·it as the BocllS division We SOQdicncs 23 · 14 Page 16 6 1·· ·s 16 I fruil no longer exist s at wbicli l b 7 C ' 25 •phlc I _an u h vc shifial The distioctioa·btlwa n Page 14 j ru ·try_a d you in a minulc _but cssenti 111 u1y 23 dus time So -division _ ve moved out f qai u ndcr ·my 24 rc spoosibility •11 1 into my «sponsibitiiy Agaia lbe And l·thougbt about it II was not 1n easy 2 ·i I l b 7 C 8 I J liou wbo bad a position ai ao$t logous to the one I I j wen p1i111 irily producing Jivisioris whac we mi fll ha bough 8 - 9 b C 10 II 12 ' we 11 sourcing tiavc rcorganizcd i c a ·• ·· · · · · · 14 Agai_n it's not pcrfc ct · · manna · a Some of• fruit that l lia e m poosibility for ' 16 a given point in time could in llioocy go the U iti cf · 17 States It' not - i_t's·a SQUfOC · 18 al SolJIC of hc fruit fl'Oll _di v ons thal p y ·I - -N lrih 6 nqi _OOl lld go t o it s - _· 2o·pafcct buf ve divi bl he tropie a · · · · · 21 opaati on - _c s scntially inlD P F 'Cing 22 · North- cat1- ·and w tiave the_ Fae whi 23 is k i - handled - -W s so fa r a y and the · · ·· ' 24 markets an unique to lhe c a tS tit 25 Pllilippincs Japan and so_f011h oo that'_ s tS we so Page l l - Pagc ·l-6 Divccsificd·Rcportiof Sqvjccs Inc_ 202 296-9626• 11-23-9 - ··-·-· - - ' _ 'I co O ' 0 C • 'I 0 9 'I • ·m -0 NSA-SEC-14-000222 _c__D_I Q _U·IT__A_ll_R_A_ND _ S_ l b 7 C CBI V1--001--003683 _ _ _ - _ _ __M_ul_tt-- --- '-'-'ag -' ·•e_·™_ rage 17 · Page 19 I on board a shi p and send ii lo whacvcr I totally OOl siJc of 111y sph of iriJluo ce 2 Q l b 7 C 2 Now d13l was initially As il became more w i - - Jl k ast 1 otcntiallY a fin JnCially attractive plaoc to source bananas from il's a soft cum ncy tcy good place co grow bananas it a place whac we bad quit c active competition sevaal of our compc tillrS IX di intaoaiional competitors as wdl a C Olombian ·exporting OORIP anks aclivdy aigagod decided to expand our opaations and iajtiatly we expanded We rctumcd lo Santa Maita We have a lo11g history in µ we've bQcrt in and out ·or there s die long bcfon ·I had anything to do with early '20s I Oiiquita We'd bo u in and then a nu luncs We J apparent to us that Col mbi- • 5 5 b 7 C 6 6 1 S · 9 10 7 __ ----- --- -------' l b 7 C hat bcre 00- 11 9 I I not going to say that l b 7 C I l b 7 C 10 11 i2 1j alM'Nt tbc 1996 tiac pc riod While we an oa this Cop i l • jo _tcll me more clearly doriag the 1996' period • decided to rdUrn to Santa Mana and we rc lumcd initially IS only conlracting foe- purchased bananas 16 Sof IC time shoftly after '87 and I squply X t ld not 17 give you a dale I don't know whether i '87 'Slf ·ii 18 could have even b cn '89 but somewhae in lh lt tune fr unc 19 we decided-to P- anana fanns in Coloml1ia We had a 20 very wealthy Colo1 11bian vc ry 'succcssfu'I guy one of many 21 busi1icsses of whid was a number of banana faqns offered us 22 some ban ma fa ns for sale I was engaged in llfal 2J negotiation we bought d10sc farms 1hey were located in 24 Turbo - Q You baYc • liedc bihbout dae c ha oga that IS - posil was 1111d what· 16 'OUl kolT 17 A Yes tbc·an u tha't rii 1 6 I would mvebachesponsibility 18 for - lct mc bc cardul-about ·dtls - urc ltutt l' m 19 being acc te l c at diai time hn 1y have only bad20 l bl 7 C 21 one of Again we bad a rco ganizalioo many lhat we've bad at Cbiqui1a and ai-somc time - 2 around 1 dale I was looking at our operations c xcl11sivcty 23 in Colombia Sul $0Quc nt to lhcn a ·counrcrpai of mine 24 ri tii-aJ n l 1-assUlllai his lt Sponsibiiitie foe 11adot- an i 2S me Atlantic coast Panama Some time chco I arollrid guess oul or 25 We-conti1wcd to buy banana fanns ova- the next -Page 20 Page 1 8 I scvcrai years probably dirough some time around 91 '92 l nlso R linquishcd 1ny 1-csponsibilitics for Guaianala_and 2 Honduras l'm a li1tic liazy as ·to wt that b k aclUaUy· l occwm ll'wollid haye 2 $0mcthing ·100 tbal AU of this was kind of in aulicipalion l of the European u 11tmunity opeoing up As 1'111 sure you know• lilci rciughly during·tlial • j11St be opposilo oµ WTI rl but it was in nticip ition of • period s Q During this ti 'e period lhoogh you did have 6 n s poo siliility foe C Oloinbi 7 At lc ait thal you ·are sum of7 7 A Yes I did 10 Q 'Oby Scktiog IOCoklaliiij ihai foe ihc lliouiaat 1·1 C U fell just ivhat 1UpOGSibilitits flavcbec a 12 o-wa lhli ii pc riocl W1ih Co Cobabia1 l l A· S y Wdl lhavc iiott onl line t l ' n sp 10Sibililics for_whac_liavc C$$Clltially all oc IS _Ququita's activilic$ in lom ia Whai docs ILat wcati 16 tor ans ihat k1 me give y011 i lia1e·i j1 of baclcgrou ld 17 ' __ _ · about O bnbia ·· 18 1987° wi cnY1oolc ow r dQc ' iliilicics · 19 ' obnbia was only a purchased_ m'iit-divisioa · we oaly bi4' 20 activilic$ ic1 Turoo ·Colombia the Gulf of Uraba with ow- · 21 22 5 this So wc bough diesc banana Cann in Turbo 6 bcadquarias fu t bldliri Thc gmctal manager of Colotllbi a '° wbo'wus a Cosia 2J llican a the lq Ot1Cd me His - ibililic$ 2 to cootract lhdnut mabaun lbat hcquantil ' and 25 quaJ iiy of the fniil we rroavat-· approprialc ·gd i Additionally -- ba4a Colou1biao l i Y ad ition_•I 7 baoana farms for 11$ iq Turbo So daat Was As a 1113Ctaoffac l've had 8 UDiotcnuptod °iespoosibility foe Colombfa sincxi moving· lo 9_ _ City in '87 l Marta 12 occunt d di ' day wiO·bc diSQassiog a loc 11 • w 3 lot _9 _- 8 acquisitioa going-oo in Turl o 9 And mSanta Mai1a staitcd a little bit'bta but 10 j would· bave boco iii t h a t lime framc _1naY be_ '89 to II '91 like cbal We also bc I_ Uf it S9ffiC c x is 12 banana farms Wcjo_illt vcnlllnxl the planting or a C4iltpk of lJ fands and we pbnlcd a-C _ Uplc 0Harp1s Joe ow OYl n_ crouri • • I aud wc bought $OIIIC raw laod for future devdopinc nt • 15 I hadatpnal mac iagcr ia Twbo I was tually 16 stationed aod loca Qfill Mcdcllin but supa-yisingtbi Turlxi 17 qx ialioti ' And I ball a S COOd gaia-al ri augcr in s n1a Marta 18 SlipctVisingthc 'Ulla O C111tion ·_Tucy bocb lC IOl1t d o 19 me A4d I n s 'bility witbi11 die c 20· Oliq11ita'1 hicr m hy of those opcntions_ frqm_an o tional 21 standpoint 22 Q ·Olc ay · was your poii1ioa based ac tliis poiul 2 ill Cimc7 • 2 A Al tha_t point ia lime I would h - vc b«o ia Panama 2S ity Page 17 - Page 20 Diversified Reoortio Sc nriecs• Inc 202 2 6-9626 11 23- 9 NSA-SEC-14-000223 l b 7 C CIDQUITA BRANDS 1 I Excuse l b 7 C WC poi iii in time arc daring lo7 3 l b- 7- C - - -1We arc talking aboul lbc 1996 P int 4 in tune I I Yl b 7 C 1 IJ Q Yes 14 15 A Me pcnObaUyf CS rigllt ill lhe lier Q Aod this is now -- what timc •pcriod is thi when S you all ace gathered-together 6 A This would vc boco cacly '95 Early '95 7 Q Who do you report to dwing this 7 8 A At thal time to - I dunk it was lo j I'm hcsi ahol t that bc cawic at ooe point buildini • diJwD10WD• tee building wbac - 18 Numarw is a subsidiary of Chiquita's in Che l il Chiquita 11 _has organitt d-and ini md this stuff throe o_r r im s _ of Sao Jose off i n tiine in di is wj1ole - ·you have lo forgive me 12 in the I five or CBI-V1--001--003684 · A I wonfug·In 1hc N 16 l_7 palm and ll - At point l was reporting _to a 13 guy by name was lhc IS p dent of North Americ ai Marlceting And when I still had 16- n sponsibility r Hood and -Ciua 1 was l'q Orting'to 17 lill even hough 1-1 ombia · J is i 'wtiecc_ it get · _ 18 imperfect and it's no a pw-cly North AmericaQ purely 14 of1 b 7 C 19 YCgdablc shoi1alin$ businas that w is 'Sub5CX1uci1Uy divcstod 19 20 Darbcforo divestini n ·lhrougb Nwnar Chiquita owned this 20 -European diing So was reporting t 11ten o o k over the Guaterpala 1111d 21 Honduras thing he was rt p ng 21 buildiag So we Md oClny - prob bly IIOl all of tbt 22 anplo cs lbat'Were wodcing·oul of San Jo e hut most of lhe 1' cmjllo us wodc ing out of San Jose CoS1a Rica wa-e loc- lcd in 24 tl i Numa building Subscqt1tt11ly we've moved 2S Su bl' iu dy '1 moved OU1 of die Num v building acnully· 22 tol b 7 C toIDi d I 1-icg -port ng 23 I had rcport od n several occasions When I 24 moved to Panama City initially I rq iort i g td b 7 ' 25l b 7 C I So it l ci 4 Of w t from a functional · · 10Walds ·lhe licginning of this ycu' and·wc'tc in a·Jocation in 2 Santa Ana SOl1 of - not an•in tuslriat'pan · bul off cc• park 3 ia $allb Ana righl_oti ide of S3i Jose 4 Q Oby Wlica 'ou ate•ia· t bWldi •bat group is S it tbat JIN wen with · 6 Q Ob7 · Li·du'1 buildJ bg thctc'wcn --the majoc - 7 l bc-joc Qlqultll occltpaists_of lhal baildiag wa-e iavolvcd · 2 s W C'C to market r L oricniai organiution nd lh •• s why y 3 see so mucli sl if ng aro of chis stuff Q You tuay bav n poc1cd ld b- 7- C lduriog this · • • S '9S to '9 7 pcriodl D o you lhillk it would ha bcca thca1 A l b 7 C · if I io'l b 7i C during ' I 6 7 that period it would 1 vc tk n_paflaps in '95 i ·· • Q Nor jQ '96 Of ' 71 9 A No And let me say in ing J b C j l0 bow yow' prinlacy focllS bat is Colombia • as a pnr ctical iI · II maacr 1 2 · ll acti Tllld feO ·uodcr- dsc s 1 itity Miydid t CW a lca¥C Paiia ma and·go Costa Rica ChJcatub_ 8 12 r be was ii l vol CX _Colombia _His f oo the Noob America divisions d e N illAmaicaR ll divisions wcie primari l cing by Hood ani · ' to Id up sort-of 1-4 Gua mala '·ac some lime rougbly fiw ats ago dais 1'4 is wbal p ··111 illcm · that they wulcd 15 So at • - ps at that initial • s · 16 -decoded daa Clic'·appro iri itc place- lo do lbt was Saa JOS'C 16 ilisofar Hond1U'lls_a Guala la arc concp ned l WQllld liave 17 · · ·s-owtaathippcood7 lmovm ro'rlll'ammu City Oac 17-boatrq ortinglohim flehadnoinvolvcmo tinO lombi a UJ of c i ncapads ·w bo bl othc t similan spoasibilitiea to 18 wi1atsoeva nor any ia Colombia l s iradi1iooa11y 19 •J owa but odior'gc ogt iphicaraapoll$ibilitics aln ady · 19 · bocu a Europca n sourdng divis n We ha i nanas to 10 io Joscaod a lfilnlcouolbputwho -ill ioci ti · 2o' iir uni Sta bul · 21 moved frooi CincilUlati to Sa ci fo- c s-o lbc throe or us 21 Q Now b tl to «bi office YOU dil' Xtly to 22 2Z lhc Uui«od States • of iml otT ce7 2J Q Who wen lhc two uadividua lsl 2 A 'cs 2-4 J A dlow liy the oam1 1 b 7 C l Ubs cqucnlly · 24 Q Oby Wlaa_t'did WW- staff coasisc'on Wi o b C lwa$ n s iblc foe Ecuador aod 2S cq N1c d to J'Ml io daat ofrtq 7 Noe goio oui lo the IS a · ·· I atgaiti7 alion - a function l tropic il 01K-1niza1ion IO this · 8 Ja Cocca Rica bwna opcnciou -1 bad aodai to·do ' 9 willi ctarm I w u IJkri lwcid raicilicics I lltcm 10 l AW Uaoiia ct'ICI ' clay li at I bad- lioCluag lo do it1t dlc ic - bow- ' Pagc·24 'Page 22 I I was rcipoosible for P sta Rjca Honduras and Gualcma a 10 11 that Oil WflfDllg ·ia al dus-localioa 12 A In ·1996 ·Q I 9l b 7 C Q aQa tryiag Co gd an idea of whar lhc facility it IO I 11 c Panama opa- i1ions And a fellow by the name oC b 7 C 2l b 7 C At- d lie 4 THE WITNl3SS Ob I'm $0 y I misulldastood -1· 6 ·dlougtw w fflC back at 11K dcvclopfflCf1I - aJ dial point ill 7 liloc l would I ave b«tt iii Sa n Joo Costa Rica ln-1996 I 8 Ila bo n· in Sao S ' Page 23 · Page 21 me Wb 1 lropicai adiilini'stdti lw adquanc n ·Aad Ibey mr w s Page 21 - Page 24 Diversified ·Rci octio Servie s Joe 202 296-9 26 11-23-99 ·-· •' NSA-SEC-14-000224 • u I Page 25 1 locations Jct s sby in that office What odor staff did 2 you have A I had a vay V c'f skeleton sCaff I bad two ' • • prop le n porting to uic I a scadaly who ·in fact 5 initially I slianrl wi b C IAnd anotla guy by 6 the name otj b 7 C jwho still reports w·mc And 5 And al 6 opa lions and I inlcrfacal a i r l y froqucnlly in y tliat -have assigned to 8 ll ' and dispose of divest idle real estate as eds·that we 8 rdocate lo lhc lnipics 9 have Atxl I kind of - it s soctof a cats and kind·uf 9 acpaASion projoct ill Guatanala and be did lha1 _Ill the scnseof' you k w let's lco p lr3clc of how we're doing 20 ·s iU -- while we bad s1oppctJ ' '' uis1tinn and t d •liis soo-' 21 fr lDIC 111 hat specific Oiiquita titycmploys you 21 of bw lcd of cold wara thrown in our face by the Europcuis 22 I A I c in that with _100 pcro nt surety 22 and bad stnppal a l lhe acq_uisitioo anil cxpaosio11 we wm · payro l ·Q You have back or guessing the _ilcxt q1r stioo '21 yt ars A w y hcc ie expansion for scvo a we U1 1 rying 1u'digcs1-tlia1 and anru· 25 3l Ollod gce·ow- it Page 26 A Allho igb I do-AA e s -- a of Jn ' payroll Page 28 So I s IO couf l'anaa13 City and he I 2 worked foe me_what Urned out to be - ·j ' b ' _ 7 _ C l ___ I Hold oo fo one second J responsibility and bc ausc I h 'vc - I_ha e lircr Uy no • 5 responsibility owr any of our opcnlions ·pa sc in Cosla 5 l b 7 C 6 ltic• I ha 'C boat _lhc objoct of socnc fotacst for or 7 a iquii 's tu people you know IO· cxactly- y payroll 6 THE WITNESS He wOlkc J fof mi actually 'Vay · 4 8 should be ia - eu oblig and o·forth 9 aud so Oil So a portioa of my 1 3yrol1 again out of 10 in rams of the operation and ·wbat b v y_ou We wat 23 trying IO d ip1 t 11'n_ i l Cosb Ric a Bocausc l have a multi-gaigraP h ieal 1 9 Wdl actually that's a very good -question and Pm _- 2 is camcd in Cosl3 Rica and I bav some 13Jt obligations · o k ' uataiiala in chaigc of an -9 a w ts that iiie oo longa- of use to us 20 Q Oby Agaio tickio1 ·to is 1995 to '19 7 time I 7 bis position as assjstant eolifilI and I c o n ' II with the real cstate community trying l o or_ diese 25 lsoo of as a financial assistanC foq b 7 1 a anc I h - cf rosJ XlSibility f l' ouc Guatczn - la 1 24 paid out of the Unilcd Stales I' -on a U S IJ 4 foi b 7 C 10 Tk c xpaR$ioo project W tS done ovc and doae wi1h to a thiPg 11w just fdl into my lap It fdl into my lap 11 bc causc we had some of lhcsc lh iogs in J I when I was n and I olod lo baYC a little bir moi -e - a litdc _bit non 12 responsible for llondi ns _-dlJing a fairly good 12 help in managing some or the other ga grapbical opc ntions ' IJ Sol bclicvc _it was Ulollybc lhc fant quar1a - some lime I job al this 14 early ia -1 4 las b 7 _mow fromGuaicmab lo wed I• I was supervising hini and so wflffl I rdinquishod n sponsibility ror noo iras 1 dun1cl b 7 c i ilial IS wilh 1DC in P'lllam a as an • ista God of• ti11f I Cial guy• Hi kind of'• guy who - b_ut finaocial not ia die sense of 16 I linue to havc rq ort to _inc And inf he 17 accounting and ·c ial end t soft of stuff financial in 1 7 a0$SICS all gcogr iphica l boundaries and just sort of deai s 2J not swc that ·I son y J when he joined Cliiquita bul he joined Oiquita ind he worked · s --- l'age 27 joined Chiquita - I doo'I bow wbcdicr it 2 WU the bcc '90s oc - I'm tbc laic '80ni - cxatetly l -' b 7 C J 7 l b 7 C l oo he's basically a iI · ' j b 7 C Multi-Page· · CIDQlTITA BRANDS eosia ruca · · ·· I 1 c st l CAli oo for_you U now I IS -F IIIOl lli 16 17 II ·19· · _payro · l _orfcol f i• 1994 r- per1af 20 y to yoa ia osi A lbal's c orn ct Q CouJ d yoa q pbin M c 9 · 2J w-lYt lai posi was r that f me his_w and nae liaac period • how it CUDC ep · cypc_ol daiag7 2 is that - I don't was aa lira tbae 'we wm chalk ngoo in ba a11$C of dili rapid e« ause we bad bdeo med to bciog -purchased fivir division Bid sudrbily bad tanns 1orui and i int vtnblrt $ A St Lee IIIC just gM a linlc'baagrowid ·b · 14 nd lhis lbat aod die Olbcr daiog so 'C somewhat r 16 -- Aad fkriuadoil 7 accq _ apositioo'm _ 17 Mtrldlin as die cbid adm inistr itive' ICU Iha I would·· ·1 - s lbafwas the tail end of '9• I doa't 1- · · 9 can get mar-e pm isc dun that ro you 20· 21 21 aff8 I S shained rom a ICf$Olllld·poinrofvicw Q Tba yoa Tb3e I bow And it is oa dw U S Q · 1 lhiak I no across somcthillg that IILMj b 7 C 9 and ai cobnting in Cololl bia was 1111 12 growth Q If that is _ - 14 · 'fll3l' •· 7 briefly iii Pwma City and I was DOI - I was noc as - bow· 11 can I put it ·_ the f1ML1Cial area· lA Ollomliia die fiaaocial· • · · · 11 12 lnlcrnational IDc anp bill 13 plcay 10 wane loovastatc itud say thatwe wai •stniggllni liut it I bdi vc l' m a CfJ II Oiiquica Brands 11 lntaruption IO proca rlings BY b 7 C I • i f bclps yoq out · 21 Q l tlliak ie•is Occ eaabci- '9 21 A Qk ay I know c we did Iha in ihc contcrt o 21 liodi Colombia'as v dl as j b 7 C 24 b 7 25 thinlc staf1cd die iog'd '95 · t • J Wka' we tallc aoou_t yuucupc msiog lhc11C nprriciou - ' · · Page 2§ Page 28 NSA-SEC-14-000225 Multi-Page TM l b 7 C ClDQUIT A BRANDS Page 3_1 Page 29 I ia ihes e coootcics I wanl lo I it from afai· and bo w a e·we doiug and how is lb progr-css and jw i Jdve a little bit io 2 what_ mean by isiog Aod io parlicolac who ii is 2 what do you dunk d1e o gani r ation is going 4 llll Oth-to-month basis aod io particufax aa w talkiog about 5 on_ So I would liave dcak with 16cm in 1bat q inl 6 I would have dealt wi_lh d1e ga crnl m - ilagcr and 1 aicly in o sivdy with the P ffiduction mao g r about 6 lhc$c opcratie IS 7 A Well _ •r llcing sl dy first and foremost the 8 ogrooomic- ygu · bo what's lbe appropriate fmiliu r I uw aa I say that 'OU lnow tb ovawbelating 9 amounl ·of auy time wouJd have ba o in 3Cing with chc GM 9 p We spent - ltlOOC ' io those - lkre w se aita $ of i l rcsl that al a givai point 10 10 · yuu i' - r i l -3 ·rm uas so noon agronomist afta iI 13 sabslantial oppor1Uniiy io synagu c some or ow- financial JJ inCcrcstod iu Ilia 14 a'ld IUOll•Dliog tiocu We bad of an u i t IS aooouDliog group in Saal II Marta We had an accounting group l6 ·in t lc Uin We bad our C olombian partna' wbo -l S4Y 17 putncr _ our ColQmbiao guy -had bolight·a bunch r r I would tiavc dcah wi b 7 C lanolhcx ·· n -une that rou· f unili ar with b 7 C Pla 'Cd··•kg r 16 role but n11J1 b 1110R than a qal role pla 'Cd and plays oirt 17 r a role as oui repccsentalive anioag 'thci bis industty in 18 Colombia and a l Oflg - and I would say OW focdamc utal liai on Q k lb is- vc bcx n vay 1-t· 1s Rallqk o- -i ame7 • lot of $ o f inv lvaf in tbc b3nana busi11CSs I ll have SOliv expertise in lhat area so I would 11 for Cliiquii a ad was ada inislcring lhosc fal'W - 19 19 to ouc pn duoa-s So l'would liave dealt widffiillfficilon dlf ' Kcsuq o Group So we M d 2 I Rcstiq o• we_S lic t ID ounclvcs My Gp we' ve got _you 20 ·•hose issues ·1mow of admioistratioo au ov' • ·place · 2J Why doo'I we jµs1 son of collapse aU of I thincs in ll 24 some S011-i r a sctVice catla' C lCq t7 24 basicaUy arow d the n-Community an fthi manag ment ' Jj A Ya 1 al w as pock as n ·l know I woold·bc - 11 ill lime I would have ba 11 iulC rc SlcXI in For U1f1Plc ·d11ci11g 11 11x l b l C w e that we _b3d 1 I j look·likc at 4 ·downsm what are d c_savings involved and so foatli and-ro 5 the GM or doe $ it tcaasblc iuto the Iowa- lcv l c nployocs of a GM lo J ·the end and you lu QW how many·pcoplc may we be able to chat you wac dealing wilh on a day-to-day cd -1 -wock 25 ·q 21 time frame that I ·and s1n 1 Qf tl1 1t iq ime which 3I Ol31 invol'vcd a· Page 37 Page 30 · I A · ailr llil' C U function Exactly y tc tl iought ·2 about doing that iticidcntly with - lrep Al_one time wt about setting up a ice co tcc iyo°u will 4 that not only would have ouc -fan his own · S Janos as well We subsequently 1doncd U1 t idea We ' 6 ·docidod essentially to get ami_cahly divorced rr m Restrepo 7 And l mean it was basically amicable sort of a thing_ but · 8 we dcci d lo divoro c And look f Uiat he-had • 9 been maoag __and sq forduod_sq on J wac talking but aid ' loui of b ciuse t'didn't 23 ·wannhan disliact cd b'y ilicm We liad'issucs uound - l Ca tnlir thjs fuoc ioa nd wdl3d lots of issues in this actually_kq t the GM ond b 7 C I very c _ ll1r·1cx set of regulations involving export ca1if 1GS 2 out of Colombia and lho9C export catificntcs-bad co be J parceled out to of piaycn in Colombia and '31 was all very contentious al times and an area when had·lo insist 5 dial our rjghl$ be rcspcctt d and so forth and·so·un ba au s-e 6 Oacrc was · ianp1alior1 011 tlx ra t of the lombia goveriunci1t· 7 to sort of give lion's sli - r of tliese cxpoc1 catif cates • 8 lo the Colombian·cx as opposc d Id the mulli-ilat I 4 9 e l l So I would hive spmt a lot oftunc dl b 7 C I 10 nva r this -- significant pcoj_ci t That · 10 l'olll t i$sues · 1-1 wouLt havc'Jxa thi _ cin d ofdiing tjiat I w d h-l_vc·dc al t J 1· I doo'C know if tti lt gives Yffl the kind of flavoc ll di rcctly7 cx o thc · t 12 'im t_you' rcll l would bavc dutctly_wilh aJ b 7 C p would-hayc· t Q Yes it docs ·Somc oamcs we baw · ac·mss 14 dealt dircctl-y _ I al b C 1 Wc ·ha ving - there 14 Y -1 scw ·wc have ooc aod I waat ro' ci chroogt i ' list ' ·IS Ylffl issues around - f beyoo J my area of expertise -1S o f aod ask you wbo tbcsc pciopk an Uic1 if you·caa ld1 6- around MIS systems d so f I - d l would'ha v c 16 mcwbodaq uc aad Co thccxtcat you noocfa time frame iuc '17 been -in- - kx hn way as « -ho w·11 er_ · '17 1996 1997 if that is soa hiog thal you D6clt 18 oouliag along io terms of being ablc lo col p a 11 o ljicse · 1·8 · l b 7 C 19 things inlo a C OOSOl idaecd effort _ · · · · • · ·1 A Gc ncnl ililcr 11 nl uiaga ·'·' 11 t's soc 20 Uut I have lo ma ke very clear in spite oflbe fact '2 1 inltially nuibo · uliscqUC11Uy·wt' coll pscd 21 that a1 one time I _W lS _ CP so focth I mean 21 Santa Marta not only from a fi nciil point of view but·also 22 this bas gone by bc ili- y y nd don't 22 -froni a gcncnl managcma 1 point of view and be ba all C tbc 23 deny that 1 w a kbil from a crudit i ut ·in ·or 23 manager o OUl' Colombi opaai 0 i · · · 24 struclUr al MlS_and SO forth SQ oo_ · it is not 24 Q by tic ha$ t cca e GM siaoo c aa you vc we aa 25 my -of tise an J woo d have ind of lool cd at · 2-5 idea of lhc time period we a« lalki about I ·· ma·• · so-oo naccr d only Page 29 - Page 32 Divcrsi ied RcPortin Services Inc 202 296--9626 l -23-99 co CX co C 0q o q ' iii 0 NSA-SEC-14-000226 Multi-Page nc ClllQUl'rA BRANDS l b 7 C Page JJ A f lhiu1 d 131 I made him GM in Colombi very shurtly I 2 u1 2 moving lo Panama City in °87 M3ybc bs dun 4 S 6 7 ' 9 1 Mayhc ayear l t a 2 time which would IL vc been around die e pn11sioa paiod yea - laic - So he's bca_11hen for quilc ··'ii ' i ·i 14 soa c liinc 4 xclusivdy dc dic lc 100 pa«nt ofhis time and al che Q Oby You all cd' briefly_aboot two upc cts or your s11p 1 • isioa a net k ad of_ Colombiaa opcrali ll oac kiag lha1 you _to lie aa- aad ooc bciag 1 i S of tha c fiaaadal issues - lb s b 7 C lrocw aadjob rail° into thac noes be ov bach7 Oocs be primarily do 7 5 end or 1997 w scvm d as pa11 and p ucd 7 wilh 8 provided 9 sa vices 0 prov US SOOlC lrgil the onn of advice bu prinwily I would l·J aullloritics and so r011b and so on aod involvaocal wilh our 14 associ ilc produom rcp 111ing IO him • _inla'Y w b 7 but s a practical naua- be is _r oc Q During lhal-'9S '96 limc fnmc do you bow what 1 5 I · 16 calilyc mpl l b 7 C 17 · 18 19 li e Uy oriau cd He is a very act iv can Jo· 19 20 operational n S IC1lds_90 paca1t of his 1i 11c f guri •C 20 v ry fficicndy bow IO _cn itc • 21 some of thc ·i·ofraslrucll U'e that 7 2 ha and so r nd ·so on · i1e•s - good c sor1 or u bonou li e 1pproach bUl tie's not a11 office -- n · n office 21 · 2 k ind of _a guy I u inlc Uy in 11 mcnlioocd lhc son of irldustry rqimcnt11ion a pnctic• Oll ' f• I doa'I know if you've bad 17 lb oppot1Wlity - I s you bavai'I had tbc opporllmily'lo ho_w ID vow ban uus 22 n vcnuc op ilics ut-of 3nd rqotiatcd Ii ooolracl widl _blnl and bc b2$ some _ be conlinur s lo 12 qm scnbtioo io front of die Colombiail gowmmcnc 0111 IIS 10 say 90 pcrcail of his lime is speolon the ocbcr an as duil'I 0 ' 16 as a falloot of 6 this whole I lung w scvat d our dim 1 aqplo 'cc iqalioasbip gaiinl managcr _H e ba a cliicf' admi 1tativ offi io him_allC1 _f c ho produc ioa ana n poi1ing - I S lo bim aod be ba$ • nwn of oda folb 21 23 24 A I c 1n't lcll yoiobsohaldy foe ca1ain I caa GU you diis h a t a srnaU portjon or bit mnuna-alion on che U S payroll nnd a larger i oction 1 couldn't give you •lhe pcrca1taga offb nd a signiticae1ily brca portion of his payroll in Cololllbia No he oiay b3vc ba n an onploycc of Danadcx He _was • lcdly ai ooe rime at employee ofl b 7 C b _ 7 C But b 7 C 50lDC - chis n ally gcts out f I 2 5 111y -'- or expatisc It's a legal a a and a laJI ait a_ be-bns - - v cll I know he us - he _· Page 4 i has 1 siaff meeting on Mo_n days if he locsn'l leave Mond iy 2 aftanoon he leaves Tuesday morning for - bo an l S 1111 a Marta basically spends die wcc k 11 e --t Omc s ba1 k 1l1ursd'ly 4 a flanoon Friday or what have you an l fortJ1 So pretty S much of ftcld kind or a --son 0 I 'Ii ' 6 Q I think I llDder-stao l wh t you arc sayi - but just _7 to fill it out for _the ro coi-d arc yo uayiog be - a f 8 mc ding oo Monday and then be v be is b io M a1 · _- __ · _ 10 11 12 1j 14 · · · · Ycs He Uvcs•witJi his family in ModeUiri And as ·1mcntioncd b4 t f ilin is· - ir°j ' U rage 6 I Are you familia •widi CIL7 Q Chiqui1a la1cmatiooal r milcJ7' · 1 l A yes CIL buys f1l1il frolll Banadex d odaa d ce aa OifT6-o I mlilics in°Colnmbi11_ Andi cda a Cl 6 rq i-csa11cd CO nd llia 1 was I raison d'ctn for' piece of 7 his mnwiaa1ion being paid-out or the Uoilcd Staici · · 8 Q Oby I did oat ask uu·ihis - rilli iap cci to' · - ' 0 9 c o_kCmc ty W u t l i l y _ -- · _l b · - · · · · - - · · 10 bl 7 C U IS whdhcrhc'soo a B iidcit'p 'llas I would bi '• I co - l k · o-Turbo the 1 roducti - ·16 C-os1-1 Rican yroll f« paifofmy sal iiy °'r rioe 17 Ii 1 8 0 they Jo·irin n v style 19 ii e t name i bi 7 C 10 A 'l b i c · · · · · · ·•c l l b 7 C Ms been iiwotvcd with Col mbian operations longa- than l have for a v long you-when he startoo · · 21 l b 7 C has moved from a·lawycr wilh a lllOdrst 24 indcpmdc nt prac1io who _ was·al the _sanic time Oiiquita'•s· 2 5 laW 'Ct _i ombia so 75· pa-ocnl cif his ti me spcot OQ • I If U tiu- c_ I can't · A i1 man igcr lgoihatwocfi toSaniii Marta -thc followine 21 s· bc ie- c 1k laX peopk fell NI in SOlllC way l b 7 C I · ·- -- · ' ' also pai i' °M 'Unildd Stiic' s '' f o-ur Col ombian ho office is our Colombi hcadqu is 12 don't know I don't know exactly bow lha1 woa' b ·Y ll And hc -actually with the pr ucti maooga ·ihcy ki of j3 he's paid of the Ua ilcd Siatcs on tbeoc a' 'biad be Im bavc·wooo d out a routinc·wl - they Rip-Oop · bade d · 14 L x obligauoas wliicb aic tw o of Cobimia sii A IS forth 16 We J a s k giYC up b i t • pnctia and co 10 A Well I can ans'NCl' 1h31 I guess in II lochoical 11 · £ashioo and as• pr JG I P - TccliaicaUy b 7 s I 2 n spoosiblc f« aU or our activilics in Colombia_ He's die Il l'agc JS I 01iqt1ila ctivitics 2 5 pcncnl Oil - ID al OC poinl in Q Olray f b 7 C 1· ' · f'is-11'1'auviaa fmaacial guy • binnS · · · Wd idcn iraai as active comp lallfdkiw aod mow d I O lo tab A l b 7 C t-- 00 0 M 0 Cj T 0 C • T' 19 working in tbe- ilcd SlalCS and who ·20 al 0 21 ovcc contrulla-sbip position al tlic i n g or i ·s· 22 fr0 n l b 7 C ho was the pre-vipus c -0 1Ji r 21 Q And be-occupied that eot1troUa-posiiloi 1 ' 24 A bavc ldl Corombia mid '97 ybc 25 M id '97 'a iyt e IOWa«b he end lhal - - i n-that Page 3 - Pag 36 - NSA-SEC-14-000227 I l b 7 C l'age 9 Q Oby I this 1996 1996 time frame J i b 7 C Page 37 I m a I 4 5 Mcilcllill nJ pU'I in c -of our malcrials •nd supplies 6 dcpa tmrnt Ile s bso iucadf ms_ innbia a i works fOC 5 left 7 8 flll'IDCP aualysl ia Culeinn li Q · J 7 C 8 ·1 up until faicly n oc 1lly s Ilic A b 7 C 10 bead ol wily d q l in Colombia 9 10 11 12 Q Oby AAd wla al bas bppc ood -• y to c c 11 11 lhal7 IJ A lie left He aesignc J 14 Q Wat- IS nxxadyf IJ apy - - - 1 11 18 ·aod be expressed some ink rcSI 11 rdllr l_ing IO ' '£Ola an J 9 K ltiog up bis own sort of socuc ty b 20 b i1 ci · I nic Is lhis from personal scMct EJ c 2i know John7 Is is sornc thill y spolcc col b 7 Ci r 22 al oun 2J 2 rnE 'YffNESS I did not speak IO him d tly This iS wb t I IOld b b 7 C I 2S I llYl b 7 C Interact 0 ' ' A I lia e every reasOa i o belic ve th I he· did fie 17 would ooally visit Col mtiia Certainly they talked a 18 great deal on the phone and they had 3 lol lo talk about I 19 mean they h3d a lot talk aboot' ' · io C lo ia is 3 difficult phwcto wock '°it 2 sure y CRR imagine and hav I and so had 22 ilia to talk secwity to 1alk abou'i 21 drug lo iatk aholll a lot of diffccq1t lhi11gs 2• l b 7 C ould have hcauctivc ii tb J · 2S l b 7 C iOkar lhls i a good time to taler i6 origin day --Boso 17 iniaat-1 daii kl b 7 C 14 IS J b 7 C bow wll 'hc ig A He appan atly - he apP- i tlY cxpn s S001C 1 sure 6 7- IIS U- 9 so A YcS I believe l'be oaly 1e1so1 1 lhal I'm bcsi lng is J b C lhad·an a - i t rpr a pcrioJ of ti1 J1C you ·know f« about maybe a yc u- and a hair I'm 90 pp-cent that this go ' who J name escapes me at tlic ITIOllW 11 SOUdhing or I' 90 l WR Iha I tliis guy ba long since left lbc by this '95 '96 time fr unc but 1 · · woo't swear to it l b 7 C fwoukl • ill d respoRSibility but this guy might have ban in bctwi cn thi m lie W3S based in Panama and at ooc time had he lefl He had some physical disat ility protilems 80lt left Chiquita and w is not•rq jaixd Q Justooc l asrq oa 'Didl b 7 C wilh J lllCl in Saolll M va and we·lr 0$ran d from Saota Mut 1 la I I 2 supcnt l b 7 C a yuw1g cnao wtxn cigin i_lly A l b 7 C J • I Q Oby That is fioc WJio i b 7 C 2 crriQmTA-lJRAm s Multi-rage™ J as· Q WJM isJ b 7 C J 4 Q Ir you do 001 koow tbc aaswc r ·is you do S 6 - 8 A I Q l b 7 C am r c ttihg i b_l so - - A ldoa'lblow I 2 1J BY l b 7 C · ·19 b 7 C 8 D l b 7 C ·' I ' • wen h id • • 1ib c is comci I - -_ • Q Wbo is· lbc·pri aaa J iodividu 11 claa gc d id l'omg•· OJnvpe Ad i ililks rcw · hiqui1 a ·00Dds1 ·- · I - 12 A 'l b C ' -·· ' Q I OU tbatdiat mn '1 ininpcllcd ·r·s' auwfial i b 7 C ·1 · · 1' A j b 7 C a e y who i S in ch igc ·of ' 17 Qjqui11'1 c orpor1te uri ' dqoomgat and be bu lbc Imp as - t'i i f --has rapoosi i Y· He -•- or di · 7 10 I• 18 ility ajty u - in_ ls lha t comxi _1·1 I 6 9 I 1· · -to·s i·i 'J' ll8 W l b 7 C I l b 7 C · the roco -d lit approxim ilcly ·1 1 un No discussi of subsbncc 5 wbi c we wen off the m unl Q w 1sj bJ 7J CJ I ADc1'1 •pelliag 1hc 1Q wmag soi JJICI bo w bow IO apdl l b 7 C · r c_an -bac on l b 7 C 4 • 'i A brici rocc ss was lakc n 2 J I y t i l b 7 C 9 i1 _Page 40 UO _ A· l b 7 C A l b 7 C I Q Aad wl o i l b 7 C 14 A -l b 7 C · · - ' I OJ is 811 'altorncy·io wrpora kv IQ' co 16 cound as pouil 111311' qr • i1 or issues would be clWlidbl · _ Q Oby It ' 19 Pel'A plitooc for 11 c lions t h a t jog - coo f · · · · Tbcrc arc a i of lfiil ' we ·for R PA · 22 A lie'$ base fin Cincionad 23 24 Q 22 coraplraoo and paliaps 11s n t any if 11 1 DIOR i • 2 J importaot Iha-e's • y reporting sysle m 'such dial b y i-t individuals in o u r iza· - a n pc t -· ·_ · · ' Do JOG DCJ I whkh ca_l ilJ -is anpfoP 11 r 25 r doo'1·know P gc 37 - Page·40 • il s by CDIJ bui · ' • • • I I o ' ' • • • ' 9 liboi kiuM What ace bis n i ibi l i -wida to - 0 - ' · 20 A I ' I - I can ooly · IS dq artmcql 1od bas boc u iglia byaiiquib' s gcocml 20 lioc responsi bil iiy fuoctional rcsponsibility 21 Q Wticn i he • · • I r c min tes ITiilliiIJ Q Oby ' tlry Page 38_ I 2 ·i ' ' • o • ' ' o w h i c h dq i thal cilha-· ·pa ls 0 0 ' m' 0 NSA-SEC-14-000228 l b 7 C Multi-Page 'M CIIJQUITA DR ANDS Page 43 Pag 41 I ca orii s One you •t want thc-cuarilla- to know that I have boco m dc lo any govo ua w a111hnn6cs vibatsoc va oc 2 1h31 the following p iywa11S have ba'n de and those pa 'IDC RIS 2 you're tidping die 111ilitary so it's sensitive And two would be dcscnl od and bat cQOfodcntial report would be SCI I l it's now a govcrru1 t1t al 4 tn b 7l C or bis review And I pccswnc f -up if tb 's 4 5 3 0 6 ilOD in question S Q Wlla t n SpOCUib_il ilia did 'UII haw with rq to 6 7 7 f-O'A complia occ7 A Cid to dac t we -• f lllC 8 8 1996 aad 1991 A Okay Well my _rapo uibilities a -e b as aUy s0 1 9 10 or nuo agcri l ones in l b c - b 7 C 11 supaviSC C a J b C 1111id upon ainong ocllCf' ings 9 I 12 10 · 13 • ll t2 ll file Ibis ql Uf 'rly report aod I oo a n gulac basis aud -1 S'IY il's_i w t die faqt -af 2' i 16 ·csSCDtially discuss cash 'IIICQIS that would snadc·and that I s would be cooa nial about the general leycl of activity the 1 16 si1 e I'd be coaocmod about t h e is it growi it 17 1k t growing I would be alat to FCPA issues if they iodood 18 popped up It was that lciod •ofa managerial approach _ 19 lt was not - I W Ot to be ck ar abc ut this ft 20 was not ao auditi approaqi r tdial upon - rhcfc's ll 21 whole prdccdutc I'm sure you're famili_ witli il I relied 12 l P X• Cltiquiu 's inlanal -auditors to tick il11 1 tic co make 2l certain that each and every 11aymcnt was recorded in a manner 24 that they wen comfortable with aa1d diey ml l_rcvicw and so · 25 forth and so on l didn t indulge in that kind of stuff 17 wac sensitive in aatuni And lhat n1ight c mbfsoe oc 18 not anbracc FCPA issues 19 Oilombia as I've said before is a vay 20 complica cd pbce to dp business 211d tbac arc a lot of 21 diffacnr vio mt faclions in C olombia fnfaenl and 22 competing guerilla factio soine rigbt 'wing factions Sou c 23 official factions • the C Olnmbia llnl Cd ora s And tbac ' _obvious ' _ violent drug f2e1i lns wh ich 2 2S foctun_alcly we have zero to do ll ilh cxocp i lcndod to be an aflcf-thc-fact ol a cocivasation And I I qu u a it's DOC as tbal but OIi a pciiodic IS basis would g t widij b 7 C 5 ·10 Of' quasi o11tt11m ntal institution so it would belong on die list dw is providt d to lhomas To put dl3t into pc rspcctivc fo - you the kiods of gasoline conllibutions that l'm _talking about-arc you know $80 $100 a month in gasoline I mean wc'ic not µI Icing _ about tiundm ls of dl0tlS30ds of gallons o inc So I would h vc - just IO finalize lhc point I woold on a periodic basis sit with thcru itnd c lw uss with lhcm that sort of activity I ould also m ikc-it to them that I w - s available for- MY sort ofoonsull l ion before die fact but with very - with rdativdy few this olbcc thau being Page 42 I 2 export dn' ' 2 Tbe aftc r-lbc-f acl com mcol yo11 made if I undcrsbod 3 · Puuin1f that aside these oda actions al one Q Yes We will J correctly is you•arc di c u ssiog with them paymcnl• th t fuvc time OI' ano ha wilh c xclusioci of the Colombian a1111y • 5 would CX Olt Us arid 11$ of hc competitive naltilc of lruS 5 A Right 6 Q Oby During 11 u-c'mcty 7 discrde soo of• way l IIIC3II rbc -vay bhmt about it · 14_pa 'lllalts lS 8 rq octs7 9 10 ' CBI-V1-001-003689 · f IS 16 ha · DCXXI IO kind of dusce1 dais boc3iJ ou1d be at lbc S 'llll C time p a that have 111 · _ R PA -· gray · WC QOWbavca li -mon w e • now rcpoct r u e bat on occasioa · we•vc · · 2 25 - idod r linc ' 1hc auilibiy Tbac°_ fall c l'M - Q Oby lle w ovldfoUow- • · 19 A lie Id follow up Sa i mcao I dido't fochs 20 if I noodcd 10 sayJ b 7 C vc 'OU Subm ilb l 1his qlW1Crly 21 n port• ba a11$C f tb t if bc-wdo' t lhc systan WOl l4 22 pick it up _and follow up 18 21 poCcnliaUr have aa R PA imp licatioo For example S0UlC _lb lt 22 I catq orizc a s bav ofbcaa in lhc Q He would what7 A You bow be would - dwi you biow if you 'C - I · 17 dwi a crc dildr I go afta a acditor w x owes mc- I · · · ·· - 2J 'Yc s - 'l would'havcW paiodk c oovasatiom wilb thc in·•tiolit you_ up to 11a1c oo ·A as So tbosc payincnts ate gc11aally ud m¢ - ia h ·Now - you discuss w makiiig die prop« FCPA ' uartcrlJ _12 ac1ivdy du n you if you're noe up to date_ so I mean i I ·waso't if 14 · B b 7 c - - · 16 arc- sc nsitiw iD -aaiUrc aod·it woulil be a discussion 19 lbcs c di 1eussiow did 11 1 b 7 C ·tbc_sort · A l -- Jic will dlc -ihosc Ii aroo K IPI sort or liq bit I 1n uis wi b 7 C · 20 already been lll Mk 7 with them whet ha llic y -8 if faction A knows lhal you ace whether exlo 1cd oc ·9 that yuu arc iil SOOIC collabontiag ' with faction· 10 coosoqucnca cao be life aod dca in nalllre H So it's virtually impossiblc IO d o - 12 accc diug to socnc IO dac c xtortioa but il s lJ equally frighlaiiog to get to the prou durc io a momcal 6 fund of dung tbinc pa 'mallS have to bc inadc iu ' Page 41 I victimi'Ul l by them oo occasion when they 'IS our vessels to 21 ov-l bl 7 C I • 2 Q ·You had oataua r rj aR a pa_ - lls t 2S - re UDdc c- disc assioa at poiAt Page 41 - P e 44 NSA-SEC-14-000229 Multi-Page 1M b C CiUQUIT A DRANDS Page 45 I A llie-i tlcrc ncc vay spccificaUy was Page47' 2 '2 o e and so forth an I so Ofl the n asoo being d- t tbac_ 3 _ 6 l are pahaps' assumptions oo n1y pan bur I bdieve lliat never at least in my mind I'm no an· aUo ney but t1 a-e tt aJly was nc Va 'auy R PA issue aruuml diat W $ ·S 4 probably every e111ployoc uf luqui1a nxx ived this docw11r nt 5 when it was disseminated in 1993 I don't bdicvc lh 11 au· Nobody was trying IO impropafy inOucnc or 111y_ f 111at·sort of - _ 6 anploycc ould ha rtt ival chis documrol iq oo moving to It simply the fac t that it - uow a tbad'Oft licloagal on lbc list A 7 Colombia · hey woold have recc ivcd'dus document S Ubsc qilcut 7 mtily IO '1993·if they bad jqincd ·· 8 ddlwasit b C - - 1 1 just want Co clarify thc nxoc-d 9 • 8Yl b 7 C I 'i ' 10 TIIB WITNESS I'm sony upon joining die any 12 subsequent to i99J p · bl C • Q I am-lwiiding roa ii cloclllDCDt wliicli bas boca 16 ljaaaml as Bwl • · _ I You can put tliat aside 1 nm wrnmss supposition on my _part l'5 b C I Undcn Just put dian in_tb • 16 middle a now we will imescomc bade to lbcm Foe lhc I will b e tbc doctµnc at as 17 join_mg d1e company in I Or afta b C 11 Is U J l I 9 199 ·10 lbc gray m- a was wbcthcror PO it-was rq priablc · ·11 ·oa the fO' A 1qJOfU Of DQC it was pnipa 12 Tile WlllffiSS Exac lly That's c x3Ctfy what I I _ialcndcd by -that COlllQICQl I Q Did the Colombian cmploy s roccive this documept7 A Again_TwouW to amunc-lh 111i ey did Tbcsc I 1o -lhcsc mioo - 18 'T1IG Code oCCoaduct ·-A Haad ook o Associates•· is w at ii 19 U 'S CIA lac ftoot page t·ka s tbc Chiqa ita 8nads logo 20 aDd·it says•Chiquita Btuds halcnLatio l -also oa tbc frool 21 page 1hc Datcs stamp range for tbc document is 22 -D01 SOO-OI 12119'J-0007 ·through 0029 23 I will·giTC ·you•• ·SCCOlld to p through that 24 dw dowmcat•OYCI 25 Pauso TIIBWl'INESS Alfiig Jt • nm ing 10 band yo11 a documcOI · 19 It fl 's boc n p iously maood as flxhlblc ·S · 20 Foe the T0Cord I will' dc scnl c tliis locuancnt 1-7 18 b C r 21 Again the fast page at the top·lias a Chiquita D_rands logo 22 an l llCltl lc it ii says ''Oliquii a Drands'lntanational llie 2 RE line on the first page says US f'orcigtl Corrupl ·· 24 Practicc s Act · SEC Consait Docn c and 'the Stat cnt or 25 Polici s' and Proccd The documait-spans Oat s stamp P 1ge 48 · Page 46 TIIE WITNESS Ok ay haval't rc ad it·carcfully I i lbrce-parts to tliis doc1iincnt the first part bcihg a · 2 b'11 l'vc·penlsed ·it O Y ' ' b 7 ' C --- J four·pagc lffl lilc document followed by a Unilc l Orands· S tcment oC-Policies 'and Procedurcs-Adopled by the Doard ol 5 dais clocamcDt rigbl iaow Ila you S lCll thi ·docUJIICOt t efoi 7 S Directors o February- 1'9 - l976 which is one page and tl1c11 a ' ' 6 A l'baw l's betja a long tune siocc vc rca4 it 6 two-page Appcndix•A a draft letter type documcnl 7 I will gj vc' you an opportunity to look•at that 7 but fc m-nx all y iog soco it inaoy ago 8· docwnc nL · ·· I Q Oby C-yoaldlmcwbat Claisd clllDQatis7 9 Pause ·· 9' A ·y '-' is a - t ia whidi a- 10 WITNESS Again l've ·pcrusod it- I haycn• io cbr to her cmi tb -t dicy will bo ldf ible·• · 1-1 n ad it lit d rno l- · ll table fOI' 'catain-sw1oards oC bc b avioc- iu -of ' 12 liY bl Cl I 12 diffamt areas Q Croat page of dais• - a ilk's ia tams or · 13 · 13 Q Have you•sii cil' thu docuineot before · ' 14 associalcl A · vc a·gcnaa1 rocolloction of I• IS 'A Syooaym foranplo 'l CS 15 docuinr nt l don't pcdfically m all the iostanoc -I • lti Q Oby 'tbal - ·lllY-'l - Do y roc all- if 16 m ieivciili l ut I ve fa liaiity with it 11 Q Wm°t is tliis diicumc nt · l7 y ia fOrD to pag c of documc ot D ot _' 11 _· 11ac·lhi nl page Bares taaap·Q009 18 A ·11 is doct imen th it wa s dwcinin itod lo lcey 19 A 'Yes ·1j_cmpi -Ouqui 3_by0iiqui1a's b c7i ·0pangrapll dlcrc ' 20 Q· lhat·Y'l ·s the zo 7 ti ill y reiterates what Chiquiti' s li in 21 final pgc of tl is bou Jct Do you roc U _ifyou did that7 21 Cams of-the tioicigjt Comipt Practices Act is and reminds oc 22 A l have 110 coocn 1c tioo one way the 22 rciiit'mxs thc·'pmxdurcs ofiliscussiiag any doubts that •you· 23 ocba- I -would 8S$UIIIC lhat l did bcquse ag ill '9 11S1C my 2J would have aiiead of iuric 'witb the OO J OI' law dcpartmeat 2 'WOnl l diiok I would baYC bcx u dulVIOd about it if I •1 2 a quartdiy basis and so·forth 2S but l doo' rceall-spocifteally thr oct ofsigiiing it No 2S Q Who d iis ·documeot CBIN1 001--003690 ' 4 i ' I oumben UOJ SEC 0 1 22199-0030 lhrough 0036 and tlierc an · J Q I -ly waal to spcod a short amoUllt of lint -i - 'This • nm card'uily dus a _ thc • ··Pa e 45 - Pat e 48 n _ livtii I • ctporting · UivcrsificJ Repo i_o vices Inc 202 296··9626 l l -23-99 NSA-SEC-14-000230 C ff f Q ' V IT A D RA ND S- '-_ M ul - ti -P-a ·g __c1_'M_ _ __ _ _ _ __ _- l b 7 C I _ __ -- a _ _ rage49 I dnn't lcnow spocificaUy al wb it lcvd this I A doca Jldll J re cciu_jn tbat a J _ Id be cbc c ff migl t · CAOs coolfO bs illld 11 a oc widl fOOPlc 1Vho A Yes Q 14 A lhis docwncal ' IS Q Yes fWutiit 16 A rr x c ivc d a i s Did 17 f the c1oc-i wo- -c discau ag ·Q Oby 21 Q No A Yes 8 Q 9 1 lo be a i nc ss is ii 'Thal is the I you n R fcrriog lo as the A That's lhc docwncnt Iha I I'm daring lo 1-S Q Aad • boiled lo ils cucacc lhis is Y u that you rcc civc o' you 18 cotin ty of·Bxhibit S cw do you n a iw aay pcxtjoa·or g ncnlcs c g the 19 ·Emlbit S7 What is it·lhat comes lo you all4 yo a say lo • 20 yow-self l have to filc ·a qual1crly q ort7 - I me 30 do y tt ecivc this doc UUlcnt lbc 21 22 mt in tY or Exhibit 5 oo aoy· - 2l A Oid I atany time·rtt eivc it1 24 Q Yes' A Yes l believe I did 25 7 17 bow exactly what it 20 quarterly reporting I form yoo UC n fariog S to bocall I thillk - d-is gqine 6 lhc last page or laibil 51 16 question wbco yoa an prom 11J filo that fona I t 1o A NOl·oo a br I n your question is no1 do 19 l mc c ivc d c doc wnaits chat thls 1· Q Oby I am - 12 A The fomi°·lha is fillat out oo a qu ir1Cfly basis br IJ k ey ¥quita cnipio rc ts and rcmitta l IOl b 7 C I 14 BYl b 71 C I 1 1 18 uvl b 7 C Q Jusl -so W UC clear lhc II lJ 17 4 10 positiou IO make• paywait Q Do you nxcive this cloct111101i7 You do 2 would be filkd out by subordinates 3 7 kl you with wbclha- oc Nil cvay sitiglc salaried '8 anplo 'a would get Ibis docwnmt oi wbdlia- it would i avc 10 would bdn I un not tl c ra ipic nt or copy or this form that I I c in ICU you 4_ primary 1ar1malt• - io our ting ixatlons would S fP Ibis docWDf 'll Obviously y la bon r anbc odia' · 6 C1C1rC1PC wooldo t gd the documcol I would DO be able 10 9 ba n cut off al the dq artincnl'head- Page 5 1 CBl -V1-001-003691 A The last 1WO pagct Appendix A And just lo be' -Page 52 Page 50 Q Oby Alld my next qucslioo is - aod I do not want 2 lo gd stuck y ilh-you at the IJ omcnt but in ga enl I waol J 1o un laod whi il do _-4 5 you mccivc his documeul This 6 qucs _ u _to uie_ibis is_ a one--timc issuance type 7 docWJ COl 8 Q Oby 9 A So I would ha vai lhis docwiicnl it was JO issued but be rooc iving docwnatt Ibis ' •• • _ •· ·· ' Q Well me cxpla why l askii g this ll we lulvc ta y _ 12 14 A Yci Q And f o r m c k rui cootiligfrom is 16 Appdidi ·A ·dlc back oC ch - t 1 IS 1-7 A Yes 2 nol jll5t lhc J A l'msony Let me make succ 4 A Okay rm itruggling a little bit with d e II rq e1iiivcly O 'a' t4n c Q Ohy And this again is the wbolc Appendix A and Q -· oot j115I the sccood me which would be the 5 form7 6 A Ob ho it's d c o pages of Appcudix A both the WDC8l again bciag Bxhibit S IWOldd· ·· • • whicla i 7 cxplanalocy material ahead of tiinc as wdl as -lbc page that 8 would activdy be s_igncd oc-·f ilkd oul in lhc event of 9 pa 'll1alts ·· Q l xhibitS p C Chiqaita'1 polic ici aod II prooodurcs with cg-1 to the £0'A le that c om d7 lO ll IJ A Yes ·· · Is aaootbct Chiquita documcut·whicli would also Q 14 do thal7· 15 A Wdl lhcn is lhi$ 1993 code -conduct wbicb 16 mahs n Ia-mcc 17 rm not catain wbctha or not dllCJC is somcdung ualogous-lo diis in whai would ·be our f ial 18 -18 manual oc fanancial - l'm -blankingoo what Lat's l'l 19 actually - • 20 coofusioo aod me clarify• Fiist-'of all I r u· out a i 20 Q Fioaocial aod admiaistn tivc policy maauall 21 a pcrsoual tta 21 A Yes I mcan ·io all c ind l this isn't something 22 2i that I coosull cva-y day of lhc wed by anys1n tcb _o f li c frt11 Uiis «1 aq y basis fl Iba f_ I wac aware of oc bad niade a y paymaiis 2J bat ilp iare IO a pcar Ibis 24 22 conadc about it my swci - y would pUI this on my sic 23 oocc·a qu r1ct I mean -sbc's ba n instrudal-to do lhat -so 24 he would put this oo· my deslc flCC a lWU1a' I would 25 obviously think al oul it and fill i1 out atcordingly fonn I ·Wllu fd list- b If i no1 make y es 1·WQU d seiti lgn 25 11ie forui ' i that I b3d not mMC y pa 'ID l' o ' OiVtt C ifiM Reoortir1e- Services_ 23 imaginalioo but I would be my coofidait that then is 24 in thar aaaaual that is analogous lo bodi of these 25 OOcumalls aod C-00$islcnl with boda of them Page 49 - Page 52 Ilic '202 296-9626 11-23-99 · NSA-SEC-14-000231 Multi-Pag l b 7l Cl CHIQUITA DRANDS Page 53 l If Iliac is auythi ng iu die fUlaocial l b 7 C I 2 aoJ admiaistr ativc policy 01anual rcbting lo I yoo h ive io oblit ition to F CPACOlllpli ' poc Cbl 7 Cl DY b 7 C S 7 • r Sure so _ing t'bis rq ort 0 - I know 1h31 it lciclinic -i11y says S arc a of so lochniqlly I could x • or I can't 6 think of an i in which on tiridy basis I have booornc 1 aware of I would say but if that to happen I would ii say to so and so that's _the ki of_ thing · hat belongs 9 without a dQubt on this rql l plcasc file it or confirin 10 lliat he already has ·· 11 · What I would tend lo-list IIClt woulci be anytlting _12 ·that I was involved in in either an initiating fashion as· _I l part of the process diat kind of tiling my instfUl -tion I would be as a IJlaQaget to a subordinate make sure that you 'l S put this on your list I would not put it•on 16 ir i impl tl a·1 ymcnt I woold piit' it1in 17 mine 1 -nd iflbccame aware ·a pa lwouidn't •• 1_8 quite hone my wouldn't wait for die ·' 1 Y tqiort - 19 And I'm sure we'll get to an instance of that lwouldn't 20 wait for a qua11crly rtpOl1 l Id he legal 21 dep3 tmi nt in Cincinnati immediately 22 l b C i10t lhii k f have y of a Q Would you please tuna lo lbe dti rd page of 6dubit 6 S t A fow times you mcatioocd lbe tcna - put logctha the I wonb kc y cmplOJCC wllca biking ill buu of who aioodcd to 9 file A qt Wtcdy compliaac c reports 10 · ·I ·1 A Yes 11 Q If would loolc at d x p unJa- associate 12 qlUl1aly reports llic thinl aDd fouttla w01ds in a cc key IJ associate b th'at tbc koaiuoi key aaploy c t cy 14 as'10Ciatc 7 N111• ' 'l'Ollymous buu IS A Those synooymous 1c211u but I was not using ii 16 as ·a-dd taod tcnn l•wiu simply using it in my own langu gc 17 aol I018 Q II ii SOOICWUI by c oiocidcacc 7 1 9 right A Ycs lhat s unless I wcic co J become aw of - unless I were to be surpriSIOl i by J prQ Cl WIU c n I get dut • file a port uo7 A N9_ l' ust of all wfial I would - 2 or • co tact 20 • I ' • • or l Toat s right Q You b ave-told·mc bow ii comes Co pass that you arc 21 nude aware thal you iw cd to file ooe of tbcsc·quat1aly ne • I 22 -cpotts lhal yoac sccm iry c omcs aad puts ic on your desk 2 iJ b 7 C jquartaly FCPA sufimissioos·ah frJust'w ir it 2• co make S 1R lhl t I do nol assume that tlic y do riot exist i5 made aware of this oocd7 l S I they Jo exist I think -- 2J nc ry qv u1cc Uow ·do poople ia ColOlll bPO open lions that • key iusocialcs lhat bCl d IO file a cport bow arc they Page 56- Page 54 I A I doa't now -LcHnejllSI s iy·thal I don't know 2- but l do know th 1 if llic y_doo 1 file -the n po1t tl ey arc J made• by a foUow up lcncr from l b 7 C Th i1 I · 1 ·2- - I • Q· They gd dunood 6 A Tbicy get dunned ev l bl 7J Cl 7 S CBIN1-001-003692 6 I s Q Now bow doc s llaat - odc lridi · 22 lbclona n qu ill lulMI 57 - IO you and S IQ'ICOIIC - - various s chcn 'c ould lie a · E VfITN au you they l ·· 8YlCblm c 1 I 11 Q was l b1c1uc1 rn iqam i1f16··t 1c iba FCPA quartaty· hat we- diseussi kic1·· ··- · · 9 12 rm Yoo arc discuuiag_widi 21 cata ia paymcntn11icfa may in iplica lhc PCPA wm p ucc d 'but ·1 wlu'· t e i a'ppy 10 • __ 21 to wt they 8 lot or IClSOOS · 10 -n victrwadwa --uybodyqS1C's fon as II A No tdonoc f -dmc i a'dabcnlea _liali -bit _ 12 oa lbal'ooauna t wt en_I say I do ·1 do aoe as a ntUL- r IJ maaq·-_ do no1 R CaYe dQC forms-•11d Jbe I Bat if you nx all my aaswa- bd about sort or chc l S uwaagaial avutigbt ii would be lhe killd o f that 16 _ be discussial io 11ut·kiod of uoo-vaulioo so 1-1 f0Uld 17 be - I lVUUkl fully cxpcc io bat kind of a COCIYaSation 1s dia4 le would- - 1111 DO s·s oo i 19 bus if·lhcn wac anything OIIC or lhe t_Jrdinu-y I would 20 lo be pan illd pated of lhc COQYCnatioa · • S ·· follow up and inquire b 7 C I Okay ltm 1yjus1be 1 wm 7 in Colombia II Q YOtl iadicatccl that lbc f lbc b two pages 9· Appcad ill A fl llh ibit that they lo Rot come to JOU · l Q or IO foqwrc and I As i am ittiag bac Iain noc- b 7 C • cia1aio We will be happy to inquire IOkay _ bl 7J Cl 3 know S I Cb IZ_ IC 1J lS paymc ats airw Chat you u PUW _ ur of I bat au A-· r 1ia IIC'YC r •copy·of J cbJc1iCC 1 -he oa13i aly IS vay ia iai ldy iovolvw ia supplying lbc dc w' bl i6 i11f -11At was'· - vcbcx n u1 Jl rpa m--or·lhc 17 Cc lombian S ' M '- ' · ' · 18 So he would have bocn pUUiag ·logdhcr ddall 19 arouod lbcse of payments for lb 71 Cl f'orl ih l Z IC l I ·20 my is Iba JiG oocs fik a qmr1atr' n port 21 but as l- i -• SlCal ·ic ll l l c_a ·• say 22 wx quiv chal be aad thca m i 23 24 to go·Nclt aad tile ·fota A n you bk iag a ota of · • report M r - that be was Q ius • - · ·· Aiwf _ me if my -wadcricaodi is · • oot rir hC you - n g- t 0 ·2 2 S glcad r t·J bavc a t il aq ort is c iog ioi»c• · Page 53 -Page 56 • Divcrsifi Rcporti Secviccs Inc 201 296-9626 ll -23-99 · · '· ' - ' · ·-·· NSA-SEC-14-000232 DR ANDS - CIIIQUIT A Multi Pagc l bJ 7 C J _ __ __ _ ___ -i----- __---------- · Page 57 •I filed by the pcrsoo wbo-initi lod lbc paywca1 ocoouo ocl tbc 2 paymaac o be uaadcJ b 7 C w-41llld bc froal 4 5 coilc t wilh licrc 7 J d o a lol or lbc payments we -arc discus ll£ II he did ig 1i11 ii would baYC ban in 11 r pmcoclw il e-0oecx1 or is bi p cwg a form 11i 11 h3S ba n 5 duly approval byJ b 7 Ou lhc Iha b aid lioch' the CEO and J 6 the conlrolkr clearly baYC a -csponsibilicy to file these 7 ·say give uv s1_0 ooo ' i' SI0 000 to·go pay He · 8' would h vc ba ii able to do lhal So die point b cing 8 Whal 1''11 II b 7 C DO io about is wbd ic r or DOC al l•lc vd bi would'- bavc filal Ibis o r I · · · 16 Q Why don't - describe ill at approval pn ocu H 17 OCl0Cb SIO 000 kt' Y- Whal wu yow- uodcn odilig'of ·20 lliiWIJ lhc i na 1-ounagtt anti would rc quirc JPP Oval from 21iifilill0 22 Q A 'l theo what wou bap ICQl · 2 l A Upoo getting aprroval from i ' b l 7 C l- I woold is 2S is '$ qrt or' a cash voucher iypc aud10ri7 lioo ID 1 cash nod IICC Ollla13 - yin Y -bas· lbd 12 l b 7 C t Cllll - yp11 bl w 1_incm j t · · i1 •buttal Cfltic ua ora irungbd tic IO• ' 14 c lbat - - ·1 - -IO iii 0 I hmgoiog kl ba _ 'OU six I S l b 7 C 12 For 1hc rocord lbc sc arc I bdievc unplcs of· 20 the qwv1cdy n porL1 FCPA co lpliancc rq oru we w 2 1 discussing d 1ting lo lbc 1tbinl 22 rd 11d 10 l b 7 C quat1a oC 1996 1' xhibit 27 I l Would you the Bates nuqibc - f l b 7 C 24 each one please 2S l b 7 C1 do JO SEC Exhibiu 27 d11111f8h J2 wa-c 19 Page 58 I I PICS' UIC 31 1b 11 IKlin l RrTI£f t 1·k d e 2 2 docUUltllt goes somebody in I he accoUJ1ti g- p u1maii and J gds cidJO cash or 1 C1c 1 lili·c · I « of l 4 4 nal oflhc payments 99 percent of I he time it would have S · S bcm cash 6 l doo't - when I' m fuuicr i$ lht R may be o1bcr 6 ··1 7 poop -tha t _ wo¢d to L 1lq · 8 wouldll' be app'o ing il _lhc standpo t o 8 rj q i of dir p i 'IIIQII but ii 0bc t - · · · 9 ' • I approve lhc document as 1iavuig bo n ldy 1ppiov01t li i'· ·• - 17 Each is-ooc p The firsc one ill Ekhibic 27 and they will I al ti'IIII Jl Offll IMJ au six al madc ed for idcotificaclon -i'ii ISun Ba cs stamp DWllba Page 60 ICHQl·002660 Exhibit 28 n l ies toUb 7 C i Dates stamp l'CHQl ·00266 Exhlcyit 29 al O relate to J b 7 C J Dates -002659 fallibif30 relates lo · 7 11 b C _ __ I-B ll ICHQf--002658 - bit I rtlatc s to b 7 C IToc 8ates stunp i s 2CHQ6-' IQ062 l - • - - __ 10 Atld 32 the ftnal oociq lhis series is Bates - I stanipc f' 1ci1Q I 26 aoo·it tclarcs- l_ b Ci I 12 1 will give those lo you Md give you a sccond_10 IJ pagc·throtighdlCl1i • · I ' A- brid' was talcm tdcuil ' · • A odd y m ba - - ··lo b11i this IS i b 7 C I We will go brl on rtCOOi We I 6 sppro i EUOCCSf had o g mpoo iliility with rcspoct 16 v nt off for a moment so the witness·coold - 17 io1 _ -- -lha1 -h a b lkiog il 17 c xtii6its · ·18 A Co ld ' ll dicq 18 TIIE WITNESS by · I havcrcviC WXI thccx1iibits · 19 Q Do - - U - g· s i wi o iia - - 19 BY b 7 C I · 1 appronl p f i9QS 5c _l bl il C I ' · 20 Q Qo you mcognizc these documcots7- · ' · 15 Q ' • _ 1' • ' • I ••• • • • •• • • o 21 would lun 'logo dllough w-01wl'luw • rcpoo ngobligali l I i2 willl respoet ioquarlcrly IU'A 'q li · ·· · _'-l 24 t$ A Catoint b 7 C I - ia he ofd e patticubc- 1 ypc pa I doa t - I bd iev-c - J bi 7 C l·· d U -iw per sc die doa't 21 A n i i gnill hem av icing lhc sccood•p ige ofl I moogPi qf 22 fon -lhal's ftlod with b 7 C land 23 oounc Ilic names of-d ecmplO 'OeS on the doc uromt$·and in 24 one or 2S two inJ b 7 C Q Oby I 0 0 mam d iodividuaUy U IS 23 a 1016 wbic 0 'T I Could we IIWk tbc sc - l b 7 C OllOC 18 run thcougb r lul ic 18 1 a1 be woold do - - 19 A My undaslanding is b J b 7l C 1 _ oukl go'• io ' 24 sigri this docwncnt I d inlc we rc fa io 'ic M 0 A That's contd 12 '1 j was inlimalcly involwd in lhe p iymmts of 'cOW SC oy b C J · · 0 lud lbc authority lo appr v Q Yes s b 7 C II 12 I he individuals who would have ba ii caUcd oo to approve l S M en· l id lhal - 10 Che 5Ubst u c of'lhc n qucsL IJ paymrot would have ac usivdy filcxl this· CJIO t but 14 l b 7l C 7 quarbty 9 9 lbal dQe was an upprova pr s • i I 6 could 00 walk inlO ao accounting clak or wtiat have 'OU and · 10 ' 2 blessing • t vay inslnimm al in Che rmoess but Alv3Bdo didn'1 l•1vc acccs - b C I A Wcll ts and on llbl Z IC Y - Page 59 I cnnuolla' s blcssi• o · dr chief b11i' islrative off ett's And each 11 I n ioognm his sigoali wc or lhc documts 1aas airclcd die P ag 57 - P _·60 NSA-SEC-14-000233 b 7 C M lti-Pagc'M I cmQUITA BllANDS Page 61 I time period July I through Septcmbcc JO l 99f 2 A Right J Q Do you so that7 Page 63 A It is Q Signifying that he J occls to I 2 A Yes I do Q And is that the manner in which ooe dclccmines the 6 period to which these documents apply7 4 A S 5 Q O uid we twu to Exhibit 291 A Yes Q Titls is a cob-y foc b C rt al w s iys · 8 D011C in the of'S ctioo 5 aod Soc•• o 6 · · 9 A Tiiat's com ct · ·· · 10 Q · I put this in bcrc ooly because I do oo know -- do II 'OU know why 'a re two submusioos forl b C 6 Yes - Q let's start with Exhibit 27 l b 7 C I A 8 7 9 A Yes This document is blank in tams of its 10 disclosure In the area provided to disclose llllY payments II the do umatt is blank ls thal COfTOCl 13 17 18 19 o 21 22 23 24 2S 12 Q Is it yow- uodc fstanding that this is the p_ropcc fillillg out fonm to leave that blanl 1· A YC S• Q Oby What does-tb at signify to you7 A That signifies that t o his bio c dgc lhcre· w is no appropriate entry to be made on•tflCSC fqcms meaning ci lhcr f« - as it says· either bcx nwic the books and f0C ds issue or bccause·or contributions donations et octa3 to designated pa tics So in the a or ill J ropria C items ·it would be appropciatc to leave the form bl and simr l_y sign it Q If you look at Exhibit 5 again pcudix ·A - A Exhibit 5 · 14 prooc duR IS 16 I A That's com ct 12 foe ' hcse A No i iavciiotaclue Nota· ctue '· ·-' 13 Q Oby · '14 A It may be - I'm quite wi1 j9 f5 us It may be·1h u lie was somewb it'unf imiliat with the fonn 16 a n d as to wbctha or not to lcavc'it bfanlc or fill in J7 none an fthcrd'o did it tio h _ways hlon t lrnow J8 Q Please turii io the ne r t wbi'cb is -E r hibit ·•9 30 n btiog to b 7 C I ooc t l 0035 A Q 'fhi s documcut i s also blank ia the 'a rcas·wberc it ii requests reporting ioform- -tion A 24 Q Let's slip lo 32 A kay 25 • - that cocrocl7 5 A Thal ii L Q Oby Mo iiat back lo Exhibit JI this docwocnt 7 tdalcs lo Jorge Portoa a iJd dus doca cat'c oataiu· · 8 d i s c ia Sc ictioa 'orl b 7 C l nx onl wlutt· 1 am erring lo 1bc i say Bx fona by m s Aad the followiog arc d at 11 -Che documcat 17 18 19 20 21 or what 14 will tell ' Tllliag dicse dciclllllQlli a s • iuadl Q Oby ' · 13 ror ibdf but Sc ctioe A says I li a aot made or ffcml a IS p to mah foe or oo behalf of die paay or aay or its 16 IGy diiS·dc oumeat is ocrtal la_pa ts wa'tribut loos c itam_Uustarccallod tod y ScdioG ·s l i llaat tiur 11 l l a g this ilocia • b · dolilgl 12 A That's COl'mcl ' ·I I ·lofonaatioo about pa ts of this 12 bciaw I am c oafiriDiag the f o 14 6 · 9 roe aay P8 'lDCDU detailed ia S wbida '5 tJ or · · 9 10 we laa bocadisc ussiag wbida is t 'pwrick 10 die jand l an as of 5 aad i when the dt c Wlic al rt qllCSI ioformali'oa Is S Q Aod· ifyou loolc at lhe · teucc ocxt lo 111 t 6 is - kally-yOUI' WJdcrs og ·of thc • y lbc fo wo k s 7 wida iqani 10 it being llbak And Id IDQ lhis foe II CBI-V1-001-003694 Page 6A Q Let's skip 31 foe lbc momcoL Tiais document rcl alcs b 7 C tliis·docJUDCDt'ii also blanfia die 2 A Olc iy 4 That's corn ct 21 I - Yes 20 21 Page 62 Q Yes sa ood lo last page ofthc ap_pc udix wc· 2 h vc disciu Tbe fioai-nwabcn io 1be B ·rump I - lnat's c om ct 4 7 is nol aware of anything-tlial bc· eportcd1 · ·· ·· · you t tiaii'foc it die - _·or duewacatt · adati°ug 14 this timci IS that I have bcai blc to pot' 16 paiud is s what woidcl'c xpoci to bc -the' sit utioa for ·' i liasically I li ave DOI made ou aascd 1o• made aay I s- · 17 fbd Colombiu 1 Aaif'lc t· aplaia a little bii • 1 w sidiarica • od 'affilia es ' ' • od it gcics OIi t d'it says JGC So this is wbat the signature is affttaaiog 18 t la e- by ' cpacrol l b 7 Iwould 'the oee - in pymaai • Gd ' ia the blank • n a'I 22 is hibit 28 b 7 C A • Ycs ·21 •' 22 21 25 - 1' - If · •t aw y r a -bod thcfqacstioa littk I laod cir·got •'• · - l dJiak that ·CM is fano · 25 b'sassumc ·oflhcs ethlagsa« ·· ·· • Page 61 - Page 64 -Diversified Reportin Scrviccs loc 202 296-9626 l l-iJ-99 • • • • • ••• ' •• • • • I • - I A I chink hmdt rs · ·in- 'sure tliac' h aa 24 311 S'Wfr daat a Q Aad th at ooc 'is-bl aak ia tbc an a of tioa S • s ' 24 20 clsc·i d bc' cl i loslog ' a 'IIIC'llts7 A Exactly • •' Q··o y ·W IUld' OU to the acn cb uu q t · wbich 2J that wb iclais' Q t i l d be 1bic ' NSA-SEC-14-000234 CDJQlnTA UltA ' IDS· -Multi Pagc ° 1' 65 I relatively s mall and allliough i t Page 67 says inctbod of payment as So wbc n l stuff like pig you lrnow l i being cash in·ol C imlancc lhc y h-'ld a donation of two pigs J That dearly wasn't cash So I'm not absolutdy·rertain that • ould lia e l y bc cri aware of each and C'Va'J • might lia vc 1 i x n hey listen I am going 1n approve -· you S single one of these lllings 6 The -point is·lhal-it would be approprialc for 6 t want lo know about it and I'm 'goipg lo approvc it • 2 hooestly don ' flrnow wbaba be would luvc bad to have approval d a1 o - OOI On it olhcr band be mighi have Ir S · blow wh dic r it' s a lbwnb tack if it' s going 7 i b 7 Ito -to ve you picked up all oC · 8 this you know any kind of dona tioos that we mad in-fuel 9 pigs or this lb ii o r tb ing ' and 'liavc you rq ort 1 10 il And ifl b 7 Ibaci°rcspondod yes I've ri por1ed it JI l b 7 C the controller- access to you know to 12 die entries and so forth and so - T« me it would be ·IJ' ·pafectly appcopriate_that include it OIi his fomt or lbc anny 7 I jus_t doo'1-t now 8 Q Well ia your periodic IIKdiags whac lcM I of· 9 deuil did you go tfuvut h tbc cauitivc paymc otsl And by _ IS instant you b w whcdia is absolutely pnx isely in 16 conformity wilh the policy or whdlr r'the policy 'would ·-· • - •- J • • • · ·11 n quin Cl Ch aooevi ry person who any knowledge to 18 '18 essentially repeat thi prooedurc I'm actually DO 19 Q Do y9u lalow wbethecl b would revic-w· ihe 19 20 20 subm issions his uoderliogs 21 Zl · A dol 't know ' ii Q Di«I you bavc an expectation that he reviewing 22 · 23 2J the subm ioos of his uuckriings 24 24 A 1 didn't have expectation that he was physically 2S n viewing the document _and signing -0ff on the «loctJmcnl ·1 25 la 10 Kmitiw payments I 1DCaA both 1be oocs 1h31 wo uld II ire 11 fCP A dud w aocl otbc r lYP'S or scasili p a 12 Q II was lbc lciacf of-dung lllat wail l brovgli i_a tJ socnc dc uil ioitial ly aatil a patlall wu c dablislacd And 14 Ice cxplaia tut a bit nc guerilla papsac ala IS guerilla paymc ats would ooi have • ppcan d oa Im• liit 16 · llcicau9C dicy wc rc aot FCPA scosilivc cypc paymmts bul tho 17 uarilb payments lha1 obwi _ Usly qu iCc a l'C 'da OQ foc- Now wbcdacr·dlat - upoo rdloct iog at di is vecy J sure of waS was us and quilc - ii w u a big deal So ·ia q»c initial periods wbc a we 1u -t c4 apcricaci04t-lbis k iJJd of cxloitioa r of aU thal rcquirod - oot boc ause then was a policy ia pla bur ju sl good r casc thatacquin d°«liscussiog that 11 wmc pldtr bigb levels in Clliquita so ii was discussed wilb-·111c uid I discu uc d it with my bost and so forth and_ so oo Q Wbeo you iay initial periods wbal Omc period an -Page 68 i'age 66 I had an cxpccta I c_Jaal'as · m inaccr 1m1 he would fuvc 2 nccmcd Ifie iociima1rs wen being filal- ort a· l timdy basis and·dl it evetjbody undastood 1 -11 tlicy 4 IO fik these doc1upai1S on 1i 1dy b s-is and -11131 it W3S a·· bcai that s '1Crious ttq t 6 I l b 7 C Q We bric fly about•chcapproval'pro u rw· - - ts - ia -c Ed- -' 0 - Q Oby 6 A So initially when dicsc lood or· ayments 12 f - b -corm tJ _ _ _ I A think ia IIIY 111 illd it_is fair IO asswnc lbat hi is • I calaia dial a • Ins d_iosc• pa ts is made •wtdicr · • • • i ' • • IS · bat disc'9su c_be 11 by bim or SOCDCbod r chat q O U to 17 ' · - t-t-•· ' · · 18 Q -Do you • i1 b 7 _1roquin xhi app all j9' pqma lt oflhi - l ' · - · ' - -i · 20 A ldoa't f 1Jy •1 rmsurc tbat I lhcn is- agaia -is sott of mQ C'or a 1c cl1 l kind 22 of auditing aod ting approval Jr vds and f0f1fi u s Oil so I cau't - 1dl you Some i t have 2• boi a bastd cbscific a some ofit IJ iii 0 lS ba o basoo alllOWll 7 l ciag made tlac arc 11 nwnba of tooe ems l'igtt _ Olie 8 GOQC D - a Dl IJllx - of 11Un f ia l WQ rnS 11 I 9 conocrn s lbcrc-was dae legal cooccm first of all is it · 10 1cga1 Wc -gorbcyondchal we got - - we' v-c told h1 'nghl • 11 le both in ancf outside of Colombia wi --docw tatioo -12 blcssii1g die ttansactioo diat it w u L - __ 13 - Then • d i e yoia• cbling in 1 4 cash and yoo'rcnotdcaling io twu pigs you'r e iii · 15 c asb and you' rc dc aling· ia - you know maybe you're ling - 16 in $20 000 maybe you're YOll know h r n1o we know lh l lj b C ' 4 we wa-c beginning lo own our own falllls '· IJ gpc cb_ lie is going ·eo due•· that oa Lis mn1 -- A lwanl10S3Yl OS ·'87 bulil' loughfor mc 10- · 5 16 2 J mine ii much bcy md lbat II wo d have b a1 paiO ls when 1 • i-iu ' t i• l th' • '-1 · lat« bile for die tiQIG bc iag l w-aoi to undc nta -d t ·w 9 11ui lfb ic l a i -• wiut1a • JO woaLI cale clisc losun 0G tJah f tbcrc U L'- • - • es I you n fariog IO 7 • I 7 SOQJd ody noe - baw do -wc lcnow tbal lbar lly i$ a 18 qitunatc paymc nl dial it's-c ooing lip wb n ic'I· 19 dt s lat lo k aod buw do we lcnaw lbat you·mowllliill iso 1siealing ii oc JO l b 7 so'I s1ealine ii o«l b 7 C 21 whal have you 22 lO a co C 'J 0 0 • 0 9 0 J The sbott aaswcr- i r ll»t io soriJc dq l c doa' _ r 21 k uow l uican uolcss you'n going lo go accompany diem wba - 24 they hand it off whicb'would 11 bc adviS 1ble •s a 2S io kind of -· lhae's a leap offoitll right1 Page 65 - Page 68 NSA-SEC-14-000235 Multi-PiagelM l b 7 C ClllQlHTA BRANDS Pagc69 I Aad ' kl hopefully hav a unall•DIJJ 'ba- of • 4 l b 7 C 6 8 9 10 11 12 way So-initially I would have sat dowu-- wbai·this Jtar1a1 I would tiavc sat dawu with _b 7_ '-'- C--' -_ _ _ _ l would haw gone ougb each cvay pa I and 1-wotild have probably bad''-- I cu't rccall the substaacc of lhc pamcj i1ac discussions but I ca11 recall b avine the discussions you who w die group why-this e_mouat what ia·tbc prOccsS that we go tlirougb lo - bocausc GO p inlo ioo 011 Qy of-ll1edccails1 but you know you don' t lh 1 • I I ·' saiously So a_t that point I basically saiJ 10 l' 11 comf0 1ab yuu know I nust you 5 guys lo ha ldlc lhis you don't have lo call me ahead of cinic 6 and gd my approviil l_want IQ know if this sUrts to you ·1 know fJ 'OW oc gd out of baad cake a sbaq 'tum IO the 8 left oc • sharp tuna d C -but ifihc i o r 14 lildzy r0l1linc ·1 attd i w'w p to ixgillialc yoa've p 10 with you 12 ·you mtis approvc it h a it I -- gi a 1imc od • owid bca this DY lfbl 7 C 11 14 · IS 1osay cao'tpay rai goiag1opay rou'vego 1Qk ad of b e lo tbc- kicking lllkhbouting oc it 17 n ally g clS out of band Butyou·baw lo kind o f -when 8 lo cvm lly Show JI 0C rt aJso gdS OUI of haod •So- it1S II 16 i Q A I mcu laec • early '90s Tha 's about as IS spocific afl CJOR g 1 for you i Theo there was I pctjod of i 16 tune wbich wouk - s a l wi hilm prob alilyoa a 17 quar QtY basis maybe not maybe scmiarinuaUy or wbal have· 18 you but ould have satd - th II and l' l 'Oll d 'h i 'C 19 aid olcay lct's SQC 0 i · · · · · ·· · 19 llicky kind of thing ·· 20 I would have had vay wry c x1a1Siv'c codvcnations 21 with 1bcm with of our security people about this kind 20 22 of lhing 22 mean 1ba1 wc uf4 _show •• CA dal buc d icy would 23 is 9 going' lo coatinuc in this grocnl ·a ia I'm COOlfott ablc ' ll tr2asitioa w-rcd7 I a-a SCll $t I j ilt_paywha4 yw_ 'n lold 1opay«rou'lla d 1111pa j J 'iw c xlorliag groups A Ycs b vmous faction- I lhc m lo be 1 7 ' Q Tbc gr l lpS iovolwd lllC30iag 2 people i avolvcd but some more than one so Ihm ' s a • ·J liulc bit or chocks and blllaoccs and yuu gc t·SOIIIC couif011 • ·5 ' ' l Page 71 I · Q How did yoia haow wh aC'paymcols w being_made And ti wuukl h v nlaiiy - 21 while was acnially pn paring belitvc it of not cbacts I 23 over·• multi-time pcri l d is sl w x·a nount or wbat have you of bow muc ·wc were · 24 giving to ic F C hc w 1 1eb 24 Were you provided witb • list did you go o th it 25 · A Yes I uld have been· providod - initially the ' fora we giving- the ELN tla it kind of s I would s i t and 'i vicw i It wiss a Page 70 r I very first couple of p3_ymcnls was tonsulrcd on a rlicfme-tbe-fac·t-liasis and that's S 011ly inside counscl but we also in-vatigalcd wilb outside 6 COtWcl IO make sun that 'M okay l1la'C and of coutsc 7 Chiquit a'se lfpor 1te law dcparUtlalt was iovolV0d and 1 Oliquita1s 10p naganaitwuuivolval ia lhat iiiitial 9 llculncu ·· · · 10 1bco uafortu ldy-lc·bocoioc lmptactq You ·11 cao ' you lioow youc ao't involYcm rybody IU1d dacir And i w uld ha - ·· - d- I -o·uld say tiiat it · 3 evolved_ i ll · ·WC still do that occ isi mally more often 4 than not th conv fS31i is 'iias· inytliing hanged they might s icll me th t the levels of p iymcnts kt the guemtlas in ' ' 6 Turbo_have gcme d9W11 becaUSG the guerrillas ·wae out of 7 Twbo ·niey• t ·gl IIC ·up i 1iit1 ' bit in Santa They 8 toid me l qinvi ir wtifai is new iqalgovenuncnt ·· i - · - -- wai ihrougii the l whole l U$i nc ss of invcstig tting witli Colombian_coon -as to 4 wbetbcr 1' 11ot 1 1is w s - and incidcudy in tca _n04 Page 72 I review in the sense of is this rcasonabk brothc c c ay time you d CX1oc1ed ill-Colombia w ba-e_you IJ cx ortod n1hcr f dy So wc got tbc blc$ sings 12 Mar1a a · 9 ht aii f i itiated_group -is sort ofan anti-gucnilta' 10 group II 12 _· · _ ' Otlid liavc td me likc'Coovivv we'il · · being asked to make a contribution 'to 'tlic Couvi'vii I would IJ have thc i questions Ii kc Vldl tel1 riic •aboUt'lbe aad °'dlcn - ·lbcn it ns'aqucsuoo b 7 C pllu g • 15 aohayiag well wc' ic having this ncgocjalbl·oc that 16 oqotiatiori' and ·so fooh and so oa and d1cri i1 oogunc• I '14 Coovivir and who arc they ' 17 b«amc comfortable hoom as comfortable u you caa 17 11ovemor of Antiochia and it was bl by lq islation in 18 Colo t ia 1bis is an organiution tluit wa - g ven--1 don'l 14 i8tbc - fbocamc -wm or1ablc dial lhis wu bciog'ha _in_ 19 20 · a responsible way I ba ame comfortable lb t it was not 21 beiug haodlc 11 willy-niUy oc out of coa1rol I thinlc CVC4 22 comfo1table that we dragging our foet aioueb blll not 23 loo much Aiid I bocamc comfor ablc with the groups th it 2 wa - that-d tfgroups invol ·were - llmcw diem to b e 2S tw a seriously 15 16 · ·· Ycll ·1·mean ail hc9c h6'nbk parainilitiuy · o they're n ' Coo vu- tlii wa founded and pushed ylhe 12 know is in Engiish juridica wbicll 20 'means legal status I-guess and so fooli and so oil · ' I µId ask hoie kind' fquestions ilnd ' NC'd 22 have that kind of discussion l Would ask at the md ·of the year the scciuity-budget • like for ·oexc 24 year ' - - jt pare lo chis ye ii- and so f°'th and 21 23 wcti ••sa 25 on Page·69 -·Page 72 Diversified Rcoortin Services Inc_ 202 296-9626 l 1-23-'99 O O' 0 M 0 9 • 0 0 co 0 NSA-SEC-14-000236 CHIQUTI'A BRANDS 1 l b 7 C Multi-Pagc1 ' rage 73 ·1 A reasonable man kind of appro ich to is this Page 75 l'flc Wrll'IESS Excu c me One ca 1 ok ayl One 2 varying in aoy dramatic fashion t hal would ' that tJic 2 caYCal IO my l RO IUivocal a Aod 1 1 11 is dw I W' ls aw m it was those · J rh u jlbX7J C Iliad iniucsbl and bad i c difricully kinds of gcnaal questions ·and those kinds vcrsalioos 4 100 pcrccGI o IJlC docwnc nL11ion 11w be h 1d wanled I would say wdl olqay again pt rioclically let's talk about 5 oot·u his·FCPA cndc wor bul Lil _h i audil czldc 1Vc lf of wbat 6 tJii s bas i i I would say lo lhcm pciiodip1Uy as ' 6 was going through_ So I did VC COO 'a Sl'ltions wilh - as I ' ' a compkmcnt lo that t'ind ·or convcq atian by way you 7 ccall primariljlb lXC which I wuuW say bey you know have changed J • And as long as or s the I CU 'S are up IO dale on your t CP'A ffiinss notliing l lnurual 9 lhrn I bat kind or°thing lbat kirnl'or' a conversation ·· 8 I liope you'n making this • higb·priorily ili m I mean I j wi$ squeezing hiin • little biMo C Xrlf IY wi bll7 XC t •111i 7J lwas 10 Ooc isiooally - have lhcre an ty io 11 parts lo die proa durc and you ooed lo undcrstail f this I I - 10 mwl be was rq lying_ c omine back saying 11 okay l' 'C got Ibis now I still ha « II couple of hub 12· There is lhe FCPA i o g rcquimna1t wfuch ii what wt'vc 12 i o aU fairness co w 1s doing 11 va-ybcs1 I boai discussing Then is al soct of lhc intemal audit IJ Iliac be could but he was struggling with you know 'w ith --widl p_i 14 dcpartmoit vaa The intemahudit dcpa tmcnt ·IS drivai pi oci as i - it was b dwi FCPA 14· missing clerical StCR W ups and so £Of11a and so on ·1s dJal be ia brgc paat i11bcrircd booausc be liada't come on the · 16 Thc le was ycs -so 'CPA inrcrest perhaps but the real 16 f7 '9S So lhal addihQR I involvana 1 a$ well DYJ bX 7 C J 18 Q Dack to Bxhibit l I o • momcol which i l1b 7 C I · j9 what those paymcn arc because th payments arc sensitive 19 l blt7l C ll b 7XCl I Is lhcie uy cb«k 20 those paymenis arc II c tsbl b 7 C 20 pafonnal OQ lbe uracy of submis ions r 21 llbXl C lbul I the internal audit department a in an 21 ' A None by me N nc by_inc · suppose the only c hccl wait a sooond you're running oc rtain·paymcnls 18 through ocrtain dcsignaled BC 0Unls and want lo undtritind · 17 tJvust s ic un1il I 22 auditor I occ d worry about you know the sa fckoeping of I 22 on the iccur w y of subiniss os again is ·io the kind 2 of - I don'I want IO say unn becd i1 s nol unrclalcd but 24 dic 0 7l Cl plc3sc list for me • lJ cmporatc _asscts 1 nocd lo make sure that people an o 't 24 ruoriing away with this money and putting it in thcit pocket iS t w'anl to undc rslarid that 2 dais Id who Wlld uy ok a y I Want l cvaythi hat t ugh Page 76 Page 74 lml ould be I be rc q ls of tbcllb 7 C I l 2S un $pcz livc o f it's·a1_1 _FCPA ican irn s ICClivc-of Iof a •ru11 ·1isilng' or I whd bcr i1 belongs on Ibis fo m lisl for 1J1C every single · - lhc f llo _ iiig accounts ond I · •· 2 ·cn1ry lh 1 has gone 1hrougb mi dcsignalcd accoWlls and J p_rovide me suppotting docUD10llS for hose crurics 4 wanl docwi1011s bd ind lh 11 d my udilO s wiU iudit 4 S lhat S should liavc ba n·rq ortcd on dtis rq Ott I •t know 6 wllC bci- tlial wa s b 7 C urposc or Ml ll ' - 7 diat was jus1 kJod oh corollary bmcfrt if you will bu1 ·· -· as f Rllllillc maila lhuig' IO do'willa lhal 7 As egaii l'Dl ' um •Q gi i 1oJ bJ 7XC lc1 fiila'1 ' ' 1 as VldJ QR Sq lmilia' 2 lnd oc wfimc va it 9 lb 7 C fApril 10 · II · 12 11 _- i's IO - ' • · · JI just waac lo ask ooc foilo · l b 7J C f _BYj b 7XC ·Q Wbca • _' · • ' lJ fa'A 'lffi wiilal ibl 7J C cv utioa S wen OU ia· 1'9967 Wm yfi 20 ·at the cvolia6oa when you basically jui t awag f II' 21 2J 24 ' I l b l C 0 111 l couldj I clarify is it wbcma' I 2 - m 0 ii i_n dJ compaoy7 And whdha or 11oubc audi1 process j b 7 C ·· Wb3l l -wanl IO gd a o a - and '17 l n i$ 'w1iy'll c j131e here is boc iwe WC arc goii lg IQ f U 18 out ova tbc courscof tbc day aod I ilo wane lo ·19 anbulc oa you know a road ro oowbcrc at lbc momcn1 bUI I ' ' when _i Q lbo sc ous 21 ' ll u dalcs oa IR nckl 0 0 15 malcbc s ooc agaiost tbc o4hcr1 '16 r- 1'a'Cgoiag llx ' of cvoludoa · • · o f - - M 0 I qi csuoa -ot ool dac an cbcx kal rum poin I of 12 vicworsomeinvcstigationorwbctba-0 no1iiisc k io u 1mm of d10 e is b ic· documentation lhat Sllpporu arad'tlis ·· ' · ··· · · · _l bJ 7 Cl ·· · · I o t eopi·ifgoilli°to· 14 l e • J i D 9 ' ·lefldla because- tiappmaho be iri the divisioa -· Jdd · 1114 J Jt p 11u 1hey two' ·· 14 J_7 • t- a 8 it could b lvt ba zl pickt d up di 'That'J •l oul aU I eao · nm April llnd - Wcdld'·t1iac' - · - - · IS 1hosic • I was Now d t could cooccivably reveal som_cthing d1 11 · have a bunch of blaolc forms aoo that I-bavci bll7 XCI rorm n fc rring lO lbc series of exhibits th ic an he fijlint1 22' n bliilg 10 tbc cbini qu u1a' of'% and I aw lf 'iag lo ·· A Ya who looks al lhesemaybc ·as • group or any SA '$ •• is ia a positioa lo uy oby __ 2S Ibis tqMamts lhc payments lh lt·nocdc d to bo rcpoc10d from 2 ________________ ____ ___________________ b X ' J C ----- 1 t want IO go bad lo fuh l j1_j __ 2S 'moment _ I for a 24 iudividual ooc aod rage 7 1 - Page 76 NSA-SEC-14-000237 Multi-rage™ CHIQlH-TA BRANDS rage 77 Page 7 2 J clcal TIIE WITNESS I sec wh i l you're Jriving al Th •·s l'l ooh al Ibis wid1 - J • pn scnlcd _rigbl7 S Alld so·t loolcs •I dus and be says- dm i 2 ly aocj b 7 Cl • a diffcn nc - Ibis is whaj b 7 C J UY b 7 C I I the Colomb Op r lklf S 5 isri'1 a probbii S-OITICXIC C - - cou1 lp 7 CJ 2S IOgdba- haw coospim l to put ihe money in 11 eir- pockct7 · s doc a t Lc on ' A_ No I'm noc fanulia - wilh lhis docua t io look al bcicaW li you pob briefly abou1 l b 7 C ·· I pomibili wi - qard qur1c rly 8 b 7 C 9 subaa issioas and my a g _is th al - the JI 10 ll lldcnl uld die proocss to _ cwk a ad diis is hat I - going to 11 ask-J'OU if I y off ha« is Cbal quu1c rly I subcniu uscd -9 cc lhcsc la ga- sum i ary 13 I A l - l D lly1 as you supposo tha1 that's ·so IS I docl t blow wbcre lh x' d from bin I bave • oo 16 familiarity widi this rq ort docl't w wbo p ii and· 17 Cbadore don't have a cl to wbaMhc ooroc doc l Qlc Qts •• 18 might be II would be • rc as ablc assun tioiiJ I_agroc b i 19 lh ifs as far as I can g 20 2l cooip1111y can te3lly ddcnuihc you knaw -unlcss you're talJcing 2J about broad swingr io financial nwnba-s-and - so forch iiod so 6 Q b aodod you dais documc at 7 talked a bxrxci 6 wlloa bi is a probkm Thal•W JUld be bis fallaing right' 7 So 'n sa - you - quation if I undastand 8 -it comx dy is bow do WC dc tcnnioe·lml evay1lilng that 9 should ha ' boco rq 0 10 I oa Ibis is in f a c t Q 10 this fonn aad 1111 ooly annw r l_bat I bavc'fOI' thal is hat l l die internal auditai go dirougb lhc-- 'OU know 12 scipulalcd SCD$ili ·paymcnracCOU11ts and ·lly and review I lfy by l1Ccy by eiilQ' 111 1 look -al die OOC ll CQ li x ••md J 14 sappcMC dial Ibey IIRI capablo of - ·iuwt we know lbat d on't 15 we DOW liq an capable or saying wdl gc c you 16 fm w1comfo1tablc with 11 is paymcot what's Ibis all 17 about ·•• 18 Dul Id me·say Ibis and il's k iod ·or a -atasfQ of 9 die obvious stalcmcnt nnd it' s n_o an citcll SCj 1- Y Xl' I been 20 aa accounlant nd a Wr-for a-long lime b t I do·lcnow lhat 21 wllal aod if you havccollusio11 lha-c is noway Iha a • OG so in thoory could Q llavc•Y U c A No Q Y oa have DOC I I Y l b 7 C 21 Q Out you bavc _DO fi11tha ad ledge 22 A l bavc no pcn nal of ii at aU l CBI-Vi-00 1 -00JGgS • 23 DYl b 7 C 2 Wl ik we motoong by that _I w' ui'° ' to bb • Q 25 the opportwu ' to as1' that Page 78 If Ibey' cao conspire IO plll llie·uioocy -in lbc jr I i pockc I ibc y can con p IQ ma in F½rA violatioo paymenl J as v dl·aoo it woulda't •bi piclu xlup bcc usc it would-be i · • II life ·· 16 w uia tospcn4 17 lCb 7XCJ 18 llbX7 XC pli• aad the odic c bciag the audit area to go b ack l was iulciag you what wouJd yo to tcll_ be lhc cbcck I lbc · 6 iafonuatioa coataiacd· ia l xhibil JI oc i• the ColnlDbiaD · 8 coucx t Now we talb d abollt SC Gsitiv p3 '1DCll la 9 ·10 iDIWW a Ml t cooductlag a n y · Oi3rud foe iclcotificatiou • Take II moment lo loo at Chai a I of ili 'W'C p I ' ' '• ·i • · lJ dw would gi tbaia auff'tcic at i onaa aliout the I oflbcso sqasitivc_payincals lbal woulcfiiliow b c IS lhcm give iof tioo to i D C that' ot 1u 1' · • then 16 DOCilcd lo be - die brii fcsl of DIOQlCOIS Od ·dus · IWhal is die Dales ra11gc011 tbat7 - I' will describe itfoc die record 19 wlulc 'OU ·are rcvicwiag·iL · 20 r-a'A · 7 ublilissioas c oc cally tbc qu u1a'ly FCPA sulimiisiom _wuc · · SOC €xlul it No JJ was ·· llbXl C '- - am banding 'OU -wbal-has·bocn O J ru ·1 l aCCOUD s Would ihcylaavc i11 t Wf hali · ·- 12 i•fonoatioca in1heir rcvic w o tbc - it iw pa accouilts- 1·3 l$ - _ ' - die llbX7l C 12 asfaluoit JJ 1-4 G iog back foe • momcut DO'f lO - we talked about _ S dial would open II S clw2c1c rir cd as sorudhina clsc TIICSC are lbc kind of 6 pa 'UICllts tb lt pc iplo do not sign n x cipts Joe So oc1c 7 iphcn ntly bas lo nx ogniu that dm is - I in aO l of 8 ibdf ·lbis is ao th al docs notb itsdf·IO o 'Cfly 9 tigbl illtaual COtllrO and il's W f tc but l's real 1 0 I 2 be two fuaclioas that an opc ralioo bc n ooc bc io 1 _•_- _- _ I J l b 7l C • as somclhing else ll1c documents WQUld be _ ·I • TbeBata oftbcdocumc nt is ICIIQl-ooo63S · 17 A I doo•t bdicvc s9 I don't believe Iba • ·111 of rcs ibili_ly °'11d - 11e boco dcs led IO a ·low levd 19- audilor type What t do - youtre k iad of aslcing'tbc wrong 20 i t no1 _ 111y I -of- pcrtisc ·it' ' cou1c 21 tllfOl lt fi 00065S --Thodocwncnt o _Hl c f n1 p a g e in 21 · would be more n1y uodc ntandii g hat the • tor'$ 2l upil al lcncn- says ·'7ablc·of Coolcots at Ilic top -0 die 22 io a - 23 flCSI paec it al so·rq miailS lhat it is a n portJoc tbc 23 ra11 throuab lhcsc 11a niculac dcsignaled accounts and· 24 lhitd quan l' l' 196 and Ille fOUlth qtl lllcr 1996 ldatiog IO 2 S quaruly FCPA pa 'lll nts · · 2S would ms I lisling' of every lry ifu 1 · · - • documc nlalioo for cva ' Oltry I suspccl lb al the Iowa- k vd au iitoc tb c their Page 77 - Page 80 Di vcrsificd Reoortin Sc rviccs Inc 202 296-962 11-23-99 ' NSA-SEC-14-000238 Midti-Pagc ° CIUQUlTA BRANDS I 2 J __4 ·s Page 81 fllllclion wotdd JC limited-to do I have the aatcy do I have a si1pporting document the entry It's n my job to i n e whether or nO somebody -- if Ihis is an appropriate payu Cut an inappropriate payment shou_ld it be_ I wbat itis just i s_th a 1016 belund it And foc Page 83 I W hboct _it appc aa to 1 c_ Tlut is Ille tillc or that 2 w l sboc t and worbboct is my dcscriptioa of it The first p2ge is dated J -y 30 1996 The • altacbod 1DC1Donodum is dalod April 19 1990 wich • isio 5 chic oU'-d nu -y 16 1994 6 Ila¥ JUii l10CII this docWDGGt bdorel 6 maybe is it a-1016 bchi it· bas so -and-oo's approval 7 A Yes I baw 7 sign -itun on it y sort of carpcnliy approach Q Wbac is tiu docwacat7 11 • Now wtw thcnllbX7XCJ jvould ve with that 8 9 1 lbis is a mcmorandwn-addn sst J co lwlana division 9 I don't know I have rio idea whcfher he would have taken 10 Iha bX C they loolc od at i t Of 10 cmtroll n with copies lo ocher ciY iajiviJuals gcnm I 11 what he w ould have done with it I don't I DoW 11 o rin-copiai • varicty of dxr kC ' maaagas in 12 110K7XC Could we go off tlle -n cord for a 12 alatiog people - alerting ilJCSe 13 cootro0cn dial be bu 8A iolc uliOII to icw•diosc paymenlS t3 momcntJ· _ I that irnbc m 11U1ga'1 c xpauc fund for 1995 and·is 14 ai· 12 20-p m a luncheon rcocss w i s IS rc quc stiog· bl l C paym D S be lislcd OQ die K JU B IS lalc cn •••• •• 16 workshcd _as joci cbcribc it and I diet also 16 lwfldha- • I Cb 7XCJ togdhct I • ·j I A 17 18 F T E R N O O N S ES S I O N --- 17 yes - is RlqUC Sting I dc ttikd t s or laoations I 8 accompany du 1 25 p 1n l 19· l bK7XCJ We back on-t he record a_t 20 approximalcly 25 minutes after five No i o n s of 21 substance wac h id while we wen ·off the record 22 ls that corrccl'f 23 ' l b 7 X C 24 0 X7KCJ 15 l b 7 CJ So' t·s tbec ova page and then 19 20 page$ aJ dicDCXI IWO • tt$CntiaUy 1hr proccd irc $ Ml fiav boa pol iii 21 place unar10r11ndum in h procalurcs put in pl icc to U in some sense u-ol or moailoc' hi$ activity on • rqul u- ---' tiat is 13 basis So we bavc d c proc cdw-c s as b3Ckgrowid and the I Twauy-five afb' one I Oh whafdid I say' 24 thrust or th memo is Five I iiin rm going co_be reviewing the dcrJlils 2S from 1995_· Page 84 Page 82 I I ust or I sany Y Twc• 'l' ·C vr a 1or 'C· Wi Wul 2 lhi ting oa 3 my part 2 the $GIU ilivc p aymeab · J Wb n upon l b 7 C ·4 S wu 1oc1 u • wiCQcss and having bcea p wiously duly ii 7 8 9 sW IDI 5 uu i -iga-'s ex ilcms wbicb w uld by their nalllrt lie the 7 I 8 Q• 1 gaiagt• r-• •·dul•u • 9 10 1 - W u f i1 _ u_ -wi - -- · 11 opipollllllity to toot c __ aa4 w1c·j-1 _ • • • •• 10 • 11 e I• to a I5 Q l'unaiag bal k to the front mo oflllc 'c du bil for a lis at the loP - Is thd com ci7 ·_A Yes ' · Q Ao flac tb is -titilc l __ b_K7_J _CJ_ _ _ _ l I ' • l b 7XCJ of tho the -- 16 s·ocoacs'ri w oC at-dac boctoca die diinl· l n- ot P r-e-t 11 _ r CbX7KCJ • · 18 ct c - • i t • Scuicw 1 7 A ICb 7XC 18 Q b 7XC 19 n -4 ol 1k - - - a c - _ 20 ucuota--- IIJat • • I tiac I - Q Gocag dbwa IO tho 1 · Tiu•• • d'la To• t u Dislrit oati- anaci c t · Thi lo bet f bK7KC n - c r« 5' -• ••- 2i tbe 2J 25 con·i• _ c 199s g cacr 1 n a ·A l b 7XC tiacj 0X7 CJ I I Q OPy Last colvma o f aaiddlc eamc -tJa cc · 25 froai the lionoiD tbc eopJCbX7J CJ IThat is · I '0 q If m 0 t ·· I I- 24 ' n --- r - 1 o_ _ __ - c ir Jnr 0 Q - Q f 11 - 1'-QC 0 lof 21 -Aa tt1 c_Raalpeco old c r doo mc a iia M o U 24 D bX7 C - - -T' 19 C olomll opaatic»s •t tiu ti tac 20 A Tbat s comd 21 Q Oby N the tbitd colu a a of IL1 lllCS third ftum · n c _ - lllia_i o i o 0 O ' l looaa tj bX7 C J · 11 IJ Tha •• · - -• lCJl SS · 14 a - oooosa 1 c •t dq iix i•bctta IS - bodbJu 'i it -n r P C i • 16 wa 4atcol J- - y lO -- di at s btjrig 1noniloro l uc lllo$c'_ 6 saisitive payma IS Righi m AMlNAJTOl-t _ llF SUME'D 12 it I will d c ribc itrw 11M A Th ac t ivity 4 p3ymc11l$ tbafarc lq t1Ciil dlCOugb - that ue c atcgoriu d AS wu cu miDCd AAd Wied u fo o D b 7 C Q Qkay I Ad tbc act ivity thac is bciag aa011iloRJ an Page 81 - Page 4 NSA-SEC-14-000239 · l b 7 C Multi- rage • CHIQUITA HRANDS ·rage 85 I •- 11bX7XC A Tha••s l 2· ·· Q Aad • t this time J 4 W l positioa did he J have I ·• Q I wat lo IUf1I lo chc p igc of I bis docuinoot 5 ·6 A lie would have hoc tbcl 1DX7 l C s of Colombiit ·6 7 WLo was i b l c fm cn aling tbc procc dan lhat llus -7 8 cloaanr at Ids forth ·a 9 9 A 1bc document tbal you' re rcfaring lo die subjocl 10 10 o wbich is Accouoliog f ll Sc11silive Payments_ April 19 11 1990 as- Q Yc s ll A ltCOOIC J froml lbX l Cl • is R SpODSible l iI iii -'947 11 I · Page 87- · _ I e u rq as ' 1 Colombia I w_i uld assuo e cti a1 _hc io dais doc t wa-c b 7 A Oh that's - ·would fd I va-y comfoitablc that it no lhac it w a a policy in rcspon ' activity that oiigbl be ioiag on io a nuri1l o- of diffaQJI locations · Q Oby We·toacbal a link bit oa l b pa 'IIICAIS ·o a mon gt aaal b-d wb ac type of paymc ats woal ra11 withia baikd or sensitive pa 'IIICJlts that this documaal is dim 1cd io aritl ·A Wdl that wmi guail b payments wm payments 1o tbc 0army noi ll CCSsarily i Colombia Thal -·· l• od his P ' 'l'le I be 20 iodividu• a rcsroosible for sccio that tbcse p were 21 foUO'M d7 22 A I would assume so Y S· 2 3 Q Oby 24 A Then ' s· a shared responsibility 'There's a I iSSUC$ •• • • · i4 Now Olhcn colbbonling wi1h i 16 fmhaod taowicd c one way oc- b' 11 • • s SIIDIC 17 so 18 Q Oby Let me ask ii this way Tho procalw-cs sic t oal •itualioc io 12 iuuc came up i n tioos iypi ally- md sa urity IS des dais _policy •I • ssww so but ha ° Ill I9 a Jinx t ' 'sp o - tu a c o oa bia is by rar the mosl fficuh S0CUricy lS issue - we face wilhout a doubt One of lbc n asoos t y 16 lbc split pa rolls are in Cobnbia We doa'I have lfiat kind · 17 or dung typically ebcwbcn Due we do have sa wity issues 1 ·• •• IS- dsc wbac ID Guaicmata for example Guatemala can be 19 difflCUII from a sa ity p0in1 of view Honduras can be' 20 d irficul1 'rrom a - ity point of N c curily·in Ilic 21 sense ofl Kfu j jiing °' mllr but a ·lot ·of ducvay arid _2' 2 •forth and so on _2 J So Ilic anny rnighl ask you fo help you· know lbat icw i4 · wvuld laid - 25 managerial rc spoosibility fo making swc that chc company so and rartm1bcr i i i y o f counlrics chc 2s a my aad the police foccc can in some C S S be one all l lbc Page·sr Page 88 I ame oc the police mip bt be asking y011 for some economic I policy·in gcncral is follow d and in th il _sc ose I would l e _ 2 somc'rcsponsibllily in m Jcutg Slll'C 1h31 die pcoplc lh st_ R Jl lC1 IO me and the organiutions dta1·rq 0 t IO me de o 4 My superiors would b we responsibility for me a11d so forth 5 uid so on 6 5 look week OCCGWltiag prooedun s_f« -iti paymea - - 12 11U1m1gC111 ciq c asc food cln - lopod ia n spoatc to _a« Y • ific · 13 locatioo cw opaalio1au01 ds7 14 A I dOQ't bow I don'I w - it was - - I 5 don't know wbciher i Wl S devcl9wl du palticubr 16 locat ioo io mind _ My $Cll$ C Id lhat it snot ¥Y 17 -would be lh t Ihm a 1 ¥ Jl f r locacions wbi re f · 18 tbc sc kiod or payments - ig •u dc flc s c Id 19 pll 1110111S bci tg sensitive pa ls I FCP A _ __ 20 scilsi M DOl ncccss lrily guailla $C11$iliYC simply - ii sensitive p ymatlS-foc OI C·fC3SOD 0 anO Ju And at nc ll poiat in time chis was 3D effort fo pul a liitle 9'dc r 23 and Slnlctun around that • WC a 1 ccld i-aliog lbc'a1111ivcisacy ·or dx 6 c slalJli lwtmt Q lbc uriion· and we an guing to have you TI c iilllC«nl naJurc of _die inlcmal' audit 7 dc panmc nl is bowcvtr IO make sure lhllt all diat im of 8 S1Uff' is bappc oiog · • 9 Q Wu this policy wbicb will d iscoss in ddail io 10 a few momeats bu _ diis JIC licy to pccirac 11 2 help _So lhosc'kinds of pa ' IICOls J Occasionally diae·mighl be 1 payment - for-4 example a union rq rcscntativc would c ome in and would s y - · 2 Q Y ouc an taadiog tbc u is • _lh is·wu oot 2S din policy this policy bciog_ 1CQ$ili pa 'QK Gl 7 mow a significant cdcliraticin atid' lhcsc unioM-in- gcnml froot a 8 are sonably st1111ppcd finaitcial standpoint mid Ibey 9 utight and say look _would mabi a donation IO lht coo 10 Q Dion a hc p ild ibtsc expenses ·Thal would II somcthi113 Ja•· tic cbwdSc d dJrijugli lbis ·· 12 Youi •ow ri kob-v ious rwoo lbcunioi 13 iqm saitalivc the unioo n pn sct1t1tm ·woul1hot be I · -· - -·- c • dlrilbl wilb dli idea tftal itlicca1111 public dial 15 lhc coqipaoji iail o Velliog or'bi lpirig io lhat inaonci S be tiici kind cir lbiog· tllat might happen i ' •· · $ 16 dial wuuld 17 i8 I would say ·occasionally what would 0 0 tM i c1el'mod · 0 0 afacilita p '- inaybc an'immigratioo guy ii l9 what have io ' we vi coi-poollc ain taft in the tropics · • T ' 0 0 I T ' 70 · oo som ' oi ttis e p ' arc kind or rculQle · Ibey bavc 21 aiq oru t may shui do whcft hen m lid commaci I 22 flights J 00 _iii I he aflat ooo and you Liow that dic21 company plaoc -i goi IO be coming io from some place 24 ou1$idc of the c ountry and yo1footd·aa imrnie alioQ official lbae aoo yuu k nuw liis oft'acial WOO hours· rrout - Md zs Page 85 - Page 88 -Divcrsiij q ort io Services Inc 202 Q 0 I 2 9626 i 1-23-99 NSA-SEC-14-000240 - ' CBI-V1--001-003701- Multi-Page -CIUQIDTA BRANDS r---'--- ----- --------------- - - I _ J bX7XC -- ________ Page 91 Page 89 I stwdpoi11t migJ t L l Cing m-- dc this would ldp idwtify J tbcn 's no ·ovatim o - what ha you so 01 1ybc soulciLing to 2 2 di 1l him IO be_th lc at 6 00 in the cvaaiiig 1il sump tneour igc J • 4 awnmil ooc ulciag cb at as • paragnph the Caul_KUlcocc Q lba1 inay - ·Thmlc you You had S maitioacd a DC llll f cfid ao wuc o i111Ccrr l I you Iha s then AJS u11 1a1ying dc cail supp l tiog IUlllaga' rwad 6 c xpcn$CS should be 111 1intaiocd by the geoaal maoagcc to 7 assun C0111pliaoa witti Che provuioas of cbc Pon iga oriupt · 8 Pracliocs Ac t • 6 samcbow-' Colombia's par6cuLv siluatiolll causcd a split -u did IIOt rally tmdcrswwl wliuc you 7 payroll silual ll wen going willa hat 9 · A Actually I was tqing kl anrf asac ILaLColooibia place rrocn a security 10 was a particularly IO 11 staadpowt but iD my cvlia c omtni nl - you 11 dlo'ltl pcdiaps an cxpbnatory-nocc oc a e-0py - I nk proplc_ •i _ I wc -e Undalyiog 41cbil what dos _lhat mcan7 • 9 dilricidt J Q Oby M_o viag_oo c tt c P' -'aual'b which h as ·_the 3 cvaybody's passj olt ·I doa'i know if that - asking A As l undersland it that would n nOlbing moR 12 me about you whose m pki a was-so and so o - wb - 1 have 12 did iliu difTau1t manQCQ It's a scositivc payment so- - I you and I Wall iQi lling out tbal $QI of dlCl I poopli -wro I J ti - ac ountiug document thatmova the -ill C4bubia ud - 14 paid Dy ia thc Stala • • oi • IS dial's ia la p pirc a rdlcction of DaYOUSDCSS a out 16 the $ClCanly sitlaa ia lc xiabiaThe guo-rillas il's a borribk dung to-say but 17 14 sys1a11 lf viousJy UD' Csay O J it paymal 10 lb FMC_r' I8 1trn · s vay good-n awn to ieve Iha die guerilla i9 orpt i r ations have infiltralal lbe b s I mean I could 20 tell you some 1cml iy - Ol IC •oo dobl stuff Chal_you mighl 21 find cn1cr1aining but il's pr'diy awful Where Ibey have 22 access IO a lo of information_ f you're Bil anp that's uiakiog you lcnow i3 18 would i111apR 1 this IS v reasons so you·would cxJ Ct - aod I •t takeduj _ 16 as gi ncn l mcaniog liia-aUytbo I - 17 The gaicnl nl3Aaga- OC' his-dcsigoa al lc tsl di 11 's die wa7 19 in our example would h wc his - • 22 de$cribaf as diis 00 lhe accounting dqcumall 23 lo the FARC You' not going IO get • SI00 00 a oc_whaHia and everybody b ows that ill fo t p yttlOII -25 _lhank yuu vay m b 0 Page 92 Page 90 I be work iog and b-avding in fffllOlc locations yms h o a I th ink on the one band J that Hey if they kidnap you Oiiquita will step up lo lhe plate but ' '6Y _also may v cy wdl thi1ik to thansdvcs 'We 5 don'I if liiquita steps up lo tbcpl - or oot this guy 6 ha$ the wbcrcw ithal• Q Plan B 7 r • 1 A Piao B So it was ia lbat cocitert I was jusl ll · llyiag-to¥J 1 - uy tbat·b 1omb1a is stiU a more diff Cllk 0thc rjca lb it - ·c1ca1 with 11 Q Oby _I wn t ·go this· - pretty • _ 8 9 10 II 0000 we - • 18 •pprop iatc of OO idcotwit about lhc r«ipicnts of __ _ 19 nch pa m aat · · Is that JOU · Ulldcrttmdiag of what ibe ·i111tcnt of• · 20 ZI tliir docmncat 7 ·• Yei aui l bdicvc-thaidlCfe is ·0-1 believe thi t 2 b ·is sod - baldic·and I doo 1 know it inay · 2• be mci ionc d -- hut the c oioUary bmcfit bang 2S that to the extait that ioappropri ite paymcnu rro n J CPA 22 A - •' '-••' 12 - --- _ • •• ___ • •• · ·• - '· A YCS Q Younmdcntiodiog islhat thi doc s_D J -'physially lhc doi umcn -acc ii - thc_JICIS ioa ci pol muga- butsomoooc 11ridii hi1 prg • lhcai1 A Th'it' 1 I Th t' s the y I iu a Pm it • • _ 13 anyway ' Q Oby If you want to lab 14 iii1a11' oflhis It says 'The 16 l ' is t o for adoqua c books and n x on1s··roc o mai11tai iig-aii 17 · sudu 1 c u 1 di tLc- Q Sticlciog with lhc same scole 'CC _ t Uo yi _ 7 dc Kribiag to 111D just QOW1- Starliug with rhc sa ood SQllaK c in lbc cipcaiog' A- No wc-don'l J 5 maiotaiood by die gen nd manag £ ° y q r · you what is · The wont 111 aiutaillGd l_ws ·· 12 caccfull1 111# iu docuruc ol tkac lo soinc ckva waat to 13 ·go li b liiic 1 5 pa r igraph 2 6 IO • Q You do oot aslr -Jor that7 · · 4 detail supporting mmiag c' s fund expenses sh oqld _I - I · 3$ said - ·- 24 · you're no going to get lhe 'ARC lo signed dulY rcceiwd _a nq year and yoo'on lop ol that lend to 2 potcntial kidnapping They ma'y ' 21 have you that would say payment so and so 11i it was 2 25 you're making Sltl0 000 a ' rJ b C 20 d0 ' 11n en his own llOICboolc his own private document or wh 11 · a- • n ad_ daal • 1 5 paragraph dowu to tbc bst 111C11tcaa aad QOW h lll - Bg lo 16 pick up al the last smrcncx jusl so 'Oil-ha -1 lhc · · y ' 11 COQtex A Bef01 die bullc t points or' including -bullct 18 19 points 20· 21 22 2J 24 25 Q am going IO stop right qn tbc l ulld poioti hat goiag ro pick up wilh · Oocc e3el quarter the ga cnl_ lwmaga ' S 5Upernsoc' ty ically • n gi m an ogci ·_review-_ • QCb lnosaclion ill dctailamhpprove OIi llQ basis lhat a od dlea llft throe build poiats raa A Right - - · Fage 89 - Page 92 Diversified· R rtioe Seivitt -s Inc 202 29_6 9626 11-23- 99 NSA-SEC-14-000241 Multi-Page n · CHIQ JITA BRANDS r ·9s Page 93 Paw c Q Tbis sealcacC th tt I just n acl proridr fo - a 2 II 22 goio o o-by-1raDSaetian dlHi ibc sc mcdiois - i- that 4 o« t icw'- sc T A lwasaslc quawa lw Lf· IC - · 13 mqulre kfud 17 faith They're im sible to audit i n of thdr you 1s· S-011 ey rdtcirc a'kap lcnow tualusc·onwatbav yoU 19 of faith · So 20 I f t as if had in place a co•ivcrsatio al 21 bl ad-ma t pproach 'q _ n iyi typc of that tort £ · 22 thing As i ng as I s getting_ ans iliat de 0 -9e to 23 me that coofonnal wilh _ Y1 U finan i i 1 ' 24 sta t that I didn't b blip - oing iii one · · a tbc · authorized c ocU Dl llle d is dim lio1 ' or yo pie s ring- n wiih - Page 96 Page 94 and supported bullet poiut Dociii mcaJatiOll_and sup 2 exists for each tnosaclioo rcpor1c d in rbc m • s lil4d J 14 ru Y just backmg or a nuic atld' pu '· · IS things in pcrsp etive As I poinlod out pi viousty by dicic 16 nature these f p ymcnl l a bit· f a· leap 6r 21 tn i1 aUy region manager will R YJcW ln4$aclioo io 24 dcwl aad approve oo • a af1ci-iliefact basis that bullet J ·acc4GDi ·fcx tbc qiaar1a aad lhco • a pan otbetical 4 •• list·ohui li·ei'aasactiocu 'sbould lie prcp by t c local _· I know lookil g 01e i11 the eye and saying it's documcutcd ·and 2 - we're foUowutg p roccxlwcs - l ·co · sidm d 3 that be adaj rc l it- be adcq _ jusi to ri i1cra1c ·4 S bocausc in y 111ind it- s complancri by°a _' S COQ lb • builet point lhmc 'the expeaditwc was 6 ·tq 0 10d oirthc app -opri t c qiwia-ty n po'1 of tbc • lcmcot ai-t r oncJ b lXC ' -·6 and follow-up - ra isc ctivity · following up I· ·7 of polic ics aad proocdwq if aay paytQQflts wcoat to g 7 on quaraly iq orting or die pa ' llalts •od two l b l C I omcials • entities_or pa ts lo otba pasoos « 8 on lhc pa1 dic aud ililig_or qiis tivily a l whic · 9 Clllitictffl llid·to·k ·SClll lo tbc·bw clc pamna at -' ' · 9 -alalio fP d usci ' is 10 · · that I UD cbr oca this - 10 iayiag I ' lo do for · · 11 · d1cnaiew ·· ·llfti dcscribi ihonhc- clcuilcdcacl - me _· · ' • ' ---t otl aoy Ilg' · 11 IRDlaclioa type review that'it appeal's lo me-is roquirod l y U I bi• pangnpla _14 A - ·t bdaiuJdwdl ·be·tbc·c ltmaybed111i11 i1 bds-P «uys • - • · Q by 12 13 an l c ac • '· ·- - · facti'ritics A ad ' llf· cc J bXl C wbok fCPA i t triic -ha l -lissed _ 17 ··•• • · - --- R igbl - · - · -- Q 9n - '-° ' l b 7 c lactiviiici• ·1 · · i s we q mi_ IC • woo p _throe bc rc ici ibc is ·io1apmitdiat wafbtc4USeoflhc-n famcctopoi ot·throc · a t ' 111 aod to point follf when I saw the formal allditir«·tick and· ' 20 tic bk-at documm ' thal of di ing bci_ ng· 21 cuaiti3Uy liandlcd by die illlana iooiton So-- 19 IS 16 f U 6 o l b 7 C le that -be bad in·mind au-auditing proocdurc ll£0mb s wt · · 15 16 17 22 · I did aot inlc rpict it that vi-•y and I did not q ··Alld·poionhicc - poiat f W' ft tbc - 1 will 23 call tbaa - b e ouaiba- th roe and fo - which arc qa tbc 24 ·folJowiog -Ba cs itamp c nd iag 'ia -wbicla we will•td' S7 l j ia - clc tail uu _f IIIOOICllls How oo am - o g lhac you _ DO 12 caaf that that- A Mrn--fuwn pnipcrly fm oti mun 10 bow die as r 11 alllhoriJJCld documcalcd sops «10d or bow·diiyoa·ha-w some · · Q Still dealing with pacagrapb oumba OQC h t-c Ooaaacli qll lrta thc g'Clla al maaagu' s supcnisoc 25 poiaC -0 C f 1tpcudilaR - Okay _ Staying on pa pla o fo tbc 8 9 CBI-V1-001-003702 Q y 20 21 i Pllasc 19 CJLpcn liiuri S wu p_rupaty a u aod ported l am a 6 little bit hnsiQC so I ua t io I l l lb2t_c_k at' · 6 A Yes 7 · ' Q Oby Oid you do tlus review wilh l'b_M_7 K_c_i - - 1 -x cacllqu ub'l 9 A l lricd to dcscniie for you ' 'iousiy the kind of 10 review lhal I did so I did ·a mao •gaial type 'rcvicw would 11 •sk bizn wlac dia oi no thcs c transactions were bciag 12 iotaiocd and rq oc1Cd if nax ssuy 00 lbc qlWtafy form iJ ud sofor11i Md soon I did oonakcan auclitii gapproadl 14 to n vicwlllg c adi and evay 1ratlsactioo with its·supporting · IS L · No I did dOl • 16 Q ·oby · If 'Oil waat Co tut a moment lo IC id the 17 bullet poinb ate that might be bclpf'uL 2 4 11-app oo an aflc r-tbc·fact b i -lhat the · 0 A RigJ t J momc ot ihc fiat bullci point uys lhat tbc -cgioa aiaoagcr 3 n ricw b ' die m3l-m uaa o 's soc ID the cue or 4 Woiiltii l ud cu o b 7J C a tbc 1996 period S is 11m daaf dtis i1 rcfcirrii g lol I· · ·· • · •· • • l · _ • _ _ · · A l'm udy Q 1 ·waut- lq suy_- 000056 aod IDOYC ·· oa 1o·- P 21 two - - ri rqJcici 22 will v Che _ a 1 ac sa p ortiag I to Cioci ti ' ' · ' · • · · · · · · • b 7 C 23 afCa tbc quar1crly aod a t· tLc dcLul lq - - - 24 b 7XC - - - ut the I for -s ' ··· - 25 n vic w ' ' Page 93 - Pagti 96 Divc rsified Rcoortin Sc -vices 202 296-9 26 11 ' Inc ' - i1-99 · NSA-SEC-14-000242 CBl•Vf-001--0037O3 Cl IIQUl A BRANDS'- I l b XC Page 99 Page 97 I A RieJll This was a provision th ' l_ was soon I bu1 ·you kriow wli 11 l lo be In tboory it·could 113ve just 0CII 2 found highly-impractical 1nae was - what caa •I say - · 2 a uotq ap r that said on such and such a day I ddi nd such 3 there was considcnblc - i rc trospc ct a COO$idci ble 4 WII of pacanoia about lhcsc payu cnu mean d cy J and payt1 a1I to such and 4 And w s fUcl pcnon ao dc fmcd corporntc stiuccw behind S scusitive payn ho qucstioo boul i1 ·but 11 m was S wfot th it docwna1t1lion had to be Do you follow me whr u r 6 paranoia about oh my good IC$s wl at would happcn if on lhc 6 say that7 It was whatever suppooiog - the supporting 7 way co the -· ii'I 'che sc parmcnl$ - if J put 7 docwncnt might have bca1 a one pcrsoo - i t _have b ai in lhoory the gcnaal manager could-have gi SO bocks to 9 lhe FARC himself aod so it would have boat a ooe-man show aod 10 ia diccxy be could havo wriUcn down oo a piocc or papa HI this• ·s 8 docwncnlation in the mail and it fell into somebody else's 9 hands and sudda1ly d bmcd d l were paying lhe FARC 10 x daat we'd bclpc d in die unioa ¢clc bratioa will 11 I $o di thi p - graph abciut somdiody 12 band any this swfT IO Cinciunati Wdl dlCSC-'Wm nOC · i I on Novan J« 231d delivered $SO to die FAR id-of story t 12 So it dq cndod upon d10 circwnstancc s·as to baw dctaibt d I migblbc 13 beara bonds and in f -Iha was o ll And to go I running up to Ci11Cinaatf oo a•quai1crfy bas carry scilne so • i incmt Q I UDdcntaad oa a level aocl dic 11 it gds away form IS - so let meldl you what i alldcntaod 14 IS of d1cscr d o c ·•bou -you knowj bX7 C 16 mean please So we dida 't do it 17 And as a·p j mana- whai would happen iJ ' l 6 ' 18 t wo M t t q le n accwnulation of docuincntl so-you 19 wo d gd a·bac And •d try wbd i you wcnl'to 19 clc scribiag what tbcsc' pa '1DCOts · 21 occasion lly die bac kup would bccomc problan itical for giiys lw'xi wa- ·sa 1ng 'OU know gee I've 22 1i kc l bX7 C • 2 gone -- IOf' orl b 7J C 22 s ehow tel1 tbcm tbc ·tnlo tun of tbcsc paym ts th 23 _oa·a 10161 h this - JOii li now for eacli paymcul 'OU IRl yO I know l' vc gottc n · 24 t elliog me thca is someduag io tcxpl ai _ tkua 25 axtly wuc it is t they caa look a1·•i1 aod discaa tb ai li1c c to sc c tlie stuff Rancrnbcr ·this was in 1990' l· lon t knowwliat_the Ibis oc Iha ut I'd rt ally 25 ·ace Now you sca a to be 20 uyiac to me that the dociµneats that att malc iog their w y to 21 Cincinnati tdl them tbc tn• oal of a ls 20 Cincinnati Qr' olhcr bu incss to u t bcro And 2 A Okay Q 11ic sc paymcats an JCGSitiW T somc dcgJc 18 effort is bciag madc·DOt to haw • loc or docwoeat s oul lba-c 17 Page 98 I Uoilod Sblcl wu like in 1990 but io parts of tin Amaica '1990 ·so didn't h c OHL oc Fa Ex No' we do J as y - as cvolvo f got a ' point when this · · · · 2 in lhl -111alfy put i IO o mail pouch Of Foti • siurr S have you i ·s not in identical 6 parngnph 7 Q So iCI urpoo1 10 II _ i - dd 12 14 1 • kl yow l 1'i0Gld not · · · - A Y i _baYeSCCD vc °bebi· Q - ·to bad - - 0- · A You're looking for struc1urc ond consis1a1cy from 4 loc tioo IO locatiQO•OC ymcnt to paymcot that I c 1 '1 give 6 1 Th i·i·lbc pie ibac me i ' ·· IJ doing it but I wasa'l 2 a paymcat io PARC ·3 5 you assW11ncc s that a ist bltiog fot you q iar1ctly·at tbc- A UnhldY • Q •J or wb t confoonity 'with 8 9 ha ll0tO daat sccacl Page 100 I this was a piliymait lo - 11d we have llSCd -tbrougl out Cbc da · · · · · thiakl aaoYQd OG of ·- Q If we stick lo Col bia A Okiy Let's talk about ColotJtbia - Colombia migbl 8 have a list I h a liavc -lha w ould 9· haV'C dlovio payments _to you bow the FAR ••o4 lb ELN 10 a 1so foc and on ·Jtanighf ' I I you paymcnt to•llx blues payinm rcds ' paymcot Iii bcll igbl 12 the'-and ti cmigbt·well ia - ldoa'I -13 wdl bavccaikdl 1bX7l CJ brevca possibly - or ina H could havocellcdl b 7 C Dlllybc y lilce ld IS mytimc _f o • t Theiaf Cioalhat·ilidacilrc ' · IS h3V'Ccall¢l b 7XCJ lldsaid doc tslbatan co ning Hi its • to t_ypc of i fonnatiooi icing 16 aie going limy ml blue aod ltrJI and bow di u is '17 requested ·ia p ugrap 2 t itt' _· · 11 whai•yoo sbolald undcnlaod by diat _ as 18 19 A _ '- · dctail ri i ba ve bcnood It mi lit'bavitioai clilrcrcnt roai-'ji oc'1o° •·· io' r - 'ti' ba- · bVciy nlcss-descrip iorf«- it •' ·· 11 or copy of a IOi ' f'a iivdy bannbs· ·· · 2 IAQ I oo it ma ' d ody 0 1 tbc bid - ' · · · 24 know pay --t o FARC ' yt c if was 'iiapkia rm 20 lace ·- ·21 b« tl a 1016 'M s iying d g0 to ao absurd cxtraDi it wasa '1 a n apk n · j b CJ IOo youknow f P O'SOoal 19 wb 1t lhc pacbga that wen sa ic to Ciociaoati contaiocd7 20 TUG Well that's why rm n ticcnt-1o talk it about it in Mmitivc lams·bcca somctimc I w chon 22 S0111dimc s I dido-'l Aod I caa'I give ' Ml assuraoocs that WllNESS 2 l they wee a lc ly consislalt io aatun did sn for ror jiad doUC c ucdy wha I 24 ex ample I oouldo'a sd lhc time for J 9U but Id - Cll -UUplc bX7 l C Page 97 -·rag I00 NSA-SEC-14-000243 ClUQVITA· BRANI Page fOJ Page IOI Q This was DOI a new 'proccdun iostitut od iu •96 or 2 '95 is IJ t cana l7 J A lh ll's com ct Now dal be did Iha COtlSistcnlly qu u1c t by quana or 11 1 · 2 it would ID bocn in w oc oda f01m I doa'I know J Ld's put it Ibis way My fon·was l b 7 C 4 was COQtpbining about hey I'm ii • llb C b 7 C 7 t Th nk 'l U- I l Taniiot lo tbc 'acxl page ua looting paograpb -iii j t few I j this umcat aepca'« d 12 times · · · 12 1Juoc 'lbc ·Vioe l'ff sidc at lillcnaal 'Aud ii has boca rc q lod 1l lo anic w liar ma Cuacl apaasc i submitted lo 1bc kw i · · · · IJ A Right 14 Q I a y IS A lily i b l i issumpiiou just cu't 16 madcntaadiag is daal tliis WU bc iag doiac 16 ICU you thai f 1994 c vay siPg c y ar_it ·A I bad reasoa ·lo that i wasn't · I 18 cc rtaioly know • 1 have catk dj b 7 C and 17 Q · Oby Fcir Colombia ia dais ti me f _e 1994 · · ' · · 18 1995 1996 tbc sc s aaric s cavis i hydili worbbcd • ·1 9 oo fiual p of l xhi bil_lJ bciug 'ilooo no 17 and lbc ni a to use irly wonl·aga '• tbc fe are communicarions A Wit all d_u c pc • i o ·-lhai oµ vi to 24 audit function Now I do know 25 So S· I inean I was awarc'th it it wat being • IThdroo1·P CC lcnci 4 l b C s l ' lb ' 7 l CJ '-- 1Think you o Exbibi1 iJ _ ·' · rim wm iess Oby 4 it Lei's stop oa dicffroat•pagc right f W ' 11 _ tudiag ia' Batcs 'staanp SS m auaccn - Out 21 g iiag 10 ask you CBl V1--001--0O3704 A Ofa y · mano ihbtcd·Jauuaq JO 1996 24 Q 'This 25 A t •• 1 • • • •• I •• •• • • • • • • • O •• 0 - 1· • • · · ·· - · ' • • · · _ _ - _ · · THE WI1NES5 ·rns· ii 'c r filli111i - -· n I I was iiudiion''lo ' - · _ •• 0 P J4 I just as wbai' acali'by lb 7 CI · 12 -thisac r i itf' • - · io a momi ot f o read that pangiaiplno yoiumcb hm 2l • ·IO coatrollcr type on 14 form V i 11 aU of the transac by transaction I i · · · IS themanag1 rpc c C1'J lt · · if 16 tbc aad ia cubr- l w l Co I ·17 17 ·about lbis that triJUcn pmvid a listiag oftbc • as ddaikd tnasacticxas · r QOIII or cash « ·cli ock payaic ats io 18 hWlC • 9 through me ir I wa sn'i reviewing it or it I fnial of lhhiliit IJ _ ' - A Oby IS Q ·Aacl'ifyoa·could rcad lo·youniclfr takc a m t 22 • ·say-c ·yoi'i tbai ·iiJs _ 7 activity wu - '1- Out •-I want IO 1113b de · is 'it· 8 wasn't - w a s was11't -·- I - 1 1 gaaal in aug c rs c xpc QC oc ·0 So c lially i • 12 _ _ I be ftocil age · some 5 ·to g c t ap tocumaiis · • THe WfllmSS yo1i'going to·gct to number four7 r u ble ib nd-I i nai iooM•io ·you bef rc t a coup o s I was pra wirig F ·· ·· 6 I P gc_104 3 time lhat Pause 'l b 7 Cl 10 II · · · · I s ·documcnl ation I tlunlc on one or two occ uious be and I 2 liad a c o vcrs•lioa· j ·doc ts l wi '-e ta1ciog IAnJ lh ic is a rcfcicnce·io · Exhll»i1- 7 boca l io lly saw co t 111 Ull I - and forth th it b was aslci li about Pag 102 1 b 7 x c1_ __ _ 6 for 2J a s k l h 1 q 1 0 S i s l O' t-· · 24 cm him'ddnning people-on_I'm missiog ·lhis dcicwncnt or lh t 2 mcoo cxpc uc 22 is docuo ·- · 20 lhe C olombia' t i si ii- c pa ymca l iag cn 21 w d O lllts1 _ •· ' 22 c ua pli ·l lx re an o11a 111C100S like tlus daral-diff llr · P - - ' laave all _bcrc but en · io wbcdx r it ·was _i ing done 11 li iously six 1 tht or 21 ooC bul ya it was clearly being •This is an ·· • dcpa1ai at Ctlf iy six DIODIJu • IS Bucci die coo-w natioa wc jusfl ad yow- 19 b d bun if be had done it or nil' b_ut - and I don't lcnow -' absotJ1c assu ra 1bat it M Dj A cao-'I give- 8 out adigiously ually or noC bid J-l vc lhan 9 one of lb m w I Id guess 1 ii ji J ' · · ·_ 10 Q I woald DOC Waal CO rq n Dl it• fiut I lhi i_ ih j ' BYl b 7 C II 67 nih·wai a 0 6 roqui st that out a ID1PU J 0001plabuag-•boji1 lbc qmliiy of lhcs c documo11s· is 7 unac a ptablc So tba1 my oomfoo lcYd I wai 8 comfortable 'lritb it · It was adoquale from liis poin1 of v 9 l'CllUCSt lhat-cociicolla-s 5 provide a li ti o led lioos 6 s - 10 Q 0by So Ibis is - -_ 4 S missing Ibis doclllllCDt or I'm missing that docwncul h I he ii1icC ··--· · 1 E bi i1' 3 worb' ·l j lllE WIDfESS ' exactiy · ·· -· '_ BY l b 7 C · · -· • · 1· · - ·· ' · _ Q Did you ha diuiog'ihc '' l S -- -· 20 l9 4 21 tlost • sp w wiiiarcganl'l o' · 22 Colombia U ii bci • • llie · 23 p lln fci di_is - • aie disciasiil g1 24 A Losi i c llori thal l'wouJd · 25 OOl may c _ - · · Page IOI - Page 104 ' Diversified RC1 0rti Services 296-9626 l 1-23'-99 Inc_ 202 -· NSA-SEC-14-000244 Mulli-P gc n• CIDQUffA ·BRANDS r age 105 i 811COl lting L I rccon lruct lhis kind or stuff ro - that time Q Wh-at is -this clocumcal1 J A This is 11 docurocu1 which I lhink may wcll have bcicn • f nc Now -as a oullcr of fact it became at nne'or two S points an anooyancc because tl ey WO ll I n qilr 11 umcnbtion S lwas 6 Q Ooc sa ood This pmc css7 I oflhi s 'Mlrld would S3Y 1 rvc sme de do umc Qtatioa l'Yc sent it all they'd oopy aae on it aad tbc a it WQU d bac'k I'm 'stiU missiag two · 7 boc au WC Mt squc iag 8 8 _9 d1ings hen o - d 'lllings· du · 9 1cb 7xc 1 I must say th it ii was annoying ·io Ille sense that · · 10 11 it kind ol 11 e1 pco _ And 14 16 los s of conlrol I 6 sort•of bing _ IWbca·you say inlcrmioablc ' you m Ipcrslstcocc iu following ii down lo • CBI-V1 001-003705 · b '1 j •• 11 And I say born out of my f rus tion widt hat I 1s' s rai -lY strongly a s 1 ia all iol lb 7 C lbac ii ' 21 we i i • l f1 b- l -C - - - 1 • diing OC lbc one band j b 7 C 1-oa die bud from comi'ncr is I've 11cn1hll die doc ts Ch3C IS l bXlXC 20 in' 'CXIIOFy whal be W3$· missing lllKI lbat Tl-IE WITTIESS y $ 'f bal's CX3Cdy wbal l'_m ·2 I n faring to • •• such_aad sucb'ai pc rio1hr l'in 1 1 lliU missing p _d ocum ats or dlir ·Iba«·and o4hr 19 important lhal lie cssaiti JU '__invcn'tory what ho b id a11d l 9 the smaUc sl dc uil7 • _ ibc c uc 1mc b id a lol of giw and cakG bout I communlca follow lld iotamillablc aclivity icanal IO IS be going oo ilidil't really assoeia lbal wilh I IOCal n 1ai · 12 slill need dpcwnai lllioo for - So we an cic 10 migbl have ba n fol' providing docwnaitatioo a couod dicsc was inlamin3blc aad-it 9CX ID0d IO me inldnrun3bk _ b' 7 c_ i______-_- _ 17 11 rdc rri ng b 7 CJ l IVCCSS A Oby With my f widi the pnj csi - 1'2 quilc fr ulkly IIIOWMl die boles Chai -tbcrc llppcamf · IJ be vay ignificaitL Sol wai awan thai that dad of 1 4 i 2 • bun quilc fraokJy ouC of y frustnlioo with Ibis - · lbq b 7 C I Page 107 A Yes Q Take issue with it if A Uut 1-w is aw u-c of dac fact lhat they wen _ I llbl 7 so' lhat could Sci more spociftc_around ii gd ii do ic_and put 22 it Lchind w So tha t's my in lioo of wlx ic lhis ine 2J from • ' 2 A Wdl llciUaUy wb u hc go1 1o lb point of·ilwlniqg 2S io writing lha1 ·w as bclpfuf tlse now _'Wen gctting ' 0 Q Oby Dack eo·_E wbic 13 _ thi - 25 DUmbcr OW' ' fm-·dic_ jOI' b - a mauga-'_s uod_· Page 106 Page 108 spccitii ougb o'tbai •• could being an ' I Co ii 11 w i · · is used inlc ro-al alldil'wiU plaa IQ 11 'foCDI a _dctailod • I 2 iriili ally d ni of I just doo' t ba ci ·oli yes 'OU'do 2 of casli aDd d ock disbuncmeuts an__ ·ba is at J no I dcin• · i so''foi'th and S9 Ofi 'unlit·he-got cry · J loc al mga a iution - lo _as that q -tn'ty n yicews 4 cootaincd all apiiropriale 'Uus tio Q aad disbunanaies · • di i linro fi - ·nd llicn it bcdmc you koow • h ·Colombi a · q a oc - i 7 · · · - · S consiiicnlily a icc rid at b t bi 1la defined · Out be was An r i mi rl 1rc1y·-so - · · · I 1·wiu band y«' u while has bc m marked BasExluiii l • - • ·_ '' -' · -· · - 9· - · - SOC l xlulill ·No l • was· - ' 6 ICl'Sistai1 6 7 1 Q Ca a- Sell_ dac detailed •-' it is bat 8 a 1pcan cc qalmU y •1 9 A Procedurally oo I IIJCIO ·ic' 10 libl 7J c - • - •'• · ·•· - ' 11·· • • · 14 ' • • • awbd fOI' iac otifiutioll _ · - Could· back'l ·Boea11si7·J waota 1 io 'nm vrrnessf '1-2 make 8 u r bout_ polnt number four '· ' _ lib 7XC I ·1 w bi neit ·-'l'b is·it 111c britf or ti·ani 1·wii'willjump•ngtil lid lo poin1 number rour ·1s n1s wtri--ms'st Oluj -AU Ya ·Okiy This 16 is a actly what I wu rdariog 1o j b 7 C 17 l'Afid·ld · juse • rakp 1noo1cnl'to pagc •ibro ind j- wilf it r«·t6c n lOonL •- · - · iJ4 ii· -i n ik danalt ·q io t Ba1c1 • · 20 $ •a-iQt j 1htOtigiH Otl670 - -lk · it is tol lb 7 C • I 11 1 I ' - 22 -page sid c is C-Obubia I Managa's' Ext Cli$c s 1993 llirougb 2J 1996 24 2S DY b 7 C Q · •• Diversified ·' · I socu dih iuilait'l i 7 A Absolucely pcnonocd group cu IO by_ hi inltmlll audit I mly pau 'm f J° · ·1I b 7 CJ - l ays y bat it_mlgbt b _ it 1111 aucii 12 pafOfU_l ld by lhat f'1Ul P - alJ f died d l s t s 11 Q Ma k - it ci u· - 1• w this tbac 14 oa •• - ualbasiutcbc bd1 •' ···· - 15 A Well ir it v tn doac oa 1111 umual basis it would 16 have ban done not by·lhc izal· but b die 17 ink mahudit t _o l lilquita ai lhc kal 18 ocganizalioa _ 19 · ·· b ai' ' · ·• -· · · · · - ' -· t '• ·' · · · I don'l lr idt lhal so I caa't a lcst lo lhc faca 20 th it-itwas· -b ioo t-to lbit u t 21 Ibis period C-Obubia ci y oihcr oc' irioas having 22 roolillc audi of various the lbrotlgh 23 is IMW al Id it stall' llOCI with owidc auditots - ' 24 I diiak •s - m y -11ia1 'b« ausc- having 2 S dlCIC - iodits anil because «ipowe oumba- -fOllf lhoa t11i S tW Ra or tioi Savices loc ' 202 296-9626 11-23-99 Page 1_05 - Page IQ$ NSA-SEC-14-000245 Multi-rage n l b 7 C CI-IIQ UfrA DRANl S P igc i II Page 109 of IDan l u's fund audit if you will was in fact goillg on I m civc copies as a matta of '2 audito --and you' re auditing i vaytliing that' i going _through routine of ao· 2 these aCC W ls and yoo CQIDC up wi'lt 1 payul lt audit reports oo Jkr c acsj onsiblc for I ·would tJ an as -I i ·' 6 from ti inc 10 tune audit rq o ts iii this limc fr- inie And for 7 die -most part those a l n por1s di oot•tdenlify issues 6· Wdl I doo't lhal I low lcvd 7 auditor would with but •t • b- 7 X C - I 9 1 0 1'1 i 14 15 J6 17 18 19 2D -1 diffcratt from what you'n usoo to sering and it kind or 5 sticks OUl like a daunb fi bt7 12 ' i I'm 5 rcocive fi o n time lo time audit reports ·I would ive lJ r ' or operations ' hat f substance l that has a dcscrij tiou oo it 1bat may he innocuous but is J audit audit n -ports afta-the-fact dca' around anan aga'sfunds ihat I foun h la'nnmg 8 mif k O 10 b 7XC oc an a - diw tly u igtii g io a Thcy'did l y idc nlify i wid 9 ga cnl manager and say wbat's dw paymcut about it doan'I • s Junds - dlC ' would point out - I think on one 10 •ppc N on your qiw'laly lana ts J b 7XC i oocasioa for example they poin'too· itit that the fuel the 11 -•bouc Wdl lhls • · JD IC cbco ·· ' montfily $80 o fuel « - $100 of fuel was appropriately 12 gucri group _ Oby Fine 1- ot fCPA issue being lq Of1cd I •t' vai• whc tJia it was•o i d e IJ Well iJ_ aboqf • P'l j t o us lOfns Y quartaly repmf ft 'this audit report 14 Wbat Vb-di maybe I haw aa • A few like ihat would occasioiially pop up in IS Tbac's dio way I lhjngs in1c ttwilling the audits So kind of double- Xfgcd sword We -it 6 po1a1tially wasn•t pc rfo liut Qn ihc other hand the kinds of stuff 17 Q l am g llog to coatln '9 as aA c xamplc lhc that they idc nfifyi g not theSOIJl'O of significant 18 q ocific in but w-c u di uu lb i11 t ll anxiety that we had a' icil probkm 19 bur it is • good platform fo this ffuc dion ccnii ·•he Q Oby_ I thi we at •at a point right oow where I 20 pl O X Cluce · ·· or was on things 21 ·CAUi explain -you ·iilici'c I fosc •l l process · · · · · my uodc rstaodiug of this 2122 A Y· Q My uudoritaoding is 9 This n vicw that is being paformcd by the iotcftial 73 the audit maaagcs to - docn is issue -itli · 24 aodit staff and_ l'lfllDi the pciiod p'rior·ro the 1997 2 1o a •P OCif'te p a I i a tic w • l b l C iS rovi cw wtw I widcrstaocfiliis·pd'soq to-be do is t- 2s an t bc _ i_ti • the Li_bi·c iJ i-ypo µ is Page 110 lh cJ ba - -ailab 'io Uieai is tbc·gaicral - i ocuo dcscriplion and • 2 ma cSOIDC iyp ci of'10l6 i'lh aAi WIIIC PCPi f- i qiiakdy A ldohk w l'ni 1iot S fC tl ltiav lhc same · 4 i 'i j · Onc illoati oby And·s tdoo• ilaiinvlhatputofiir 11 prod u lkrc is my Wldastandidg We tla two separate and · 9 - iooaJJy 11 'a'lap We have ao 10 l'O'A iffllc'ud ha ·cash·paymailfcas6-scnslliYt1 paymctltS II wue ''· · · · · · · 'ft ioo i scus1ii pa ts·· ·11 a ac · IIOlhiagii ·dlj thR Pi YOCJ hwe·cash · 12 · • ·17 by catzy widuanc ia iit ptifiaps 101idl innocuous 18 some doc umcnla bc biod ii for each Nld e¥Cr 'Qllly · '• ' _19 Tbat • IC 'distihct ftoell ythibg Iba I _ dOirig wida ifii y'F PA 21 iq oriing • · · ·· · 22 N lbosecwo - -not llalCSsarily 13 wouLl lhcy 'oould O 'Q'lap Ld's w·twn assumc ' iu' n ad -wfiydoa'twcjust go rigbl the kidia'i have Lee's 1$S11D1e diafyou'n an · · C i o - - Q - c an S ba-boca at ba i oJ iJ --iiic 01 · •· 6 objoct is aot lo let ylllld_- -f i SCC is · · 7 A Tuit'smyuadin ' t · · ' 8 Q Out what she can do k lhe I 9 diock dac t1 iq lcdga- ' · - - - dlot k - ·'· 10 sammiiry ai l bcussamptioq wqrti11g through dus iillpt if · ·11 badgot1calhis_ - a aap _- c J is ' · • · _- - ·tt' · 0 14 papncolis_pn pqty_ c supp K1cd 15 A · I lhiolc lhac's th y I ld bnd · • ius wdl · · · · 17 Q Oby• -l pcli i_s when I_ my apd¢ or· l8_ ibc sitoatioa · U997j b l iC fOI' two lj _'oc dam ¥ OIC bX 7 C - li w ·_ _·_ lk-' mc i 'j · Y ••- p 11pcde · iJj1-oa·lhl • J bX7Kci ·· fj 0 - 20 ddcwncat• lo me th t Ilic is SU « f scasi ivc 21 t irnm••rid wt - og · i a k i 22 and it does - t -Chis 'i e r' i - 23 iimawy lhc audit« is Dol able to ·this past ' 24 locatioas 25 Tbey am Goolc ing al I '11q haw 0 Diversified Rcportin Services 202 • Inc_ - 296-9626 · 11-23- 99 • '' •· • ' I _i ' I roqw_ccd docwia c- tbc kxlgcc lioc -by-liac -' 'QW I ' 2 forlbc sco i p a • i u way i a J doiog tbc FCrA stuff but lilis i bats Ja s ira r OCll o ' 12 I pa lbailAv - -di wittifO A My · · · · undcn -lb it audit group lhc inla'nalauditon · 16 cl1a fwiib a iag ca1u a··tbaulbiwasa tist uy· · · - to I Page 112 • 11· ••P - kvd is 24 4 bcuad the actual _1 11c-na S undemanding You maybciigli use I do11'1knowc xac1ly · 6 wfiat happcdS IOall oflhii when itn cooYa'gr S in 7 j lcqodUG li tha b 7XC C 0 0 • 'I ' 0 0 • r m 0 NSA-SEC-14-000246 CHIQUTfA BRANDS' Page IJ-3 doauncot ta tick ta_ tick ·ticlr off of aad tbcy Ila¥ iio I DO 2 iaf tioo aod ·just biki ala gcnc t-al icdga • w11ac 1 oot bow dloscycan s b •ildi '#Ulkcd dunag 7 it iC you C2G ' TIIE WllNESS ' imcaai I wiU aar w r ii if i'can a My undcrsbndiag is it's oot bat Ibey bad ICD 7l C 10 8 she had list widl done aoo that she was mh'sulg a couple 9 f 11 What I can't mswcr foc you cit today is wtiai time ll fr une she was looking at I mean we do know that she was J4 looking al die critical time frame but I don't know how far J S back it - it ' 12· adckd ·alf·tlxi 16 ' I sfien - coupleof · ICbX7XC 17 docwnen 0 wm there oertam ts q rtain · 18 tcanS3Ctions on thc•galCr11I lcdga- fi t were oi ir l'cluded oo 19 lists relating to tho lr Jns tctions lhat weie si nt1 2D rnE WflNESS Oh I 'm S JnY• That could well'bc 21 the case I'm actually fuzzy atioutil _lt'S •i ssiie - he 22 point is whctber there wae a coup_ of l ansactions that 2J weren't lisle fon• a shQet oi' w t tha-c wai acoupl_ of 24 transact ionsrhat didn't liave - there was a lioli _in her 25 process that she-raised atid it was dealt with in Ilic_Dl01 ting botn one 20 to significance to it-was just you lcno a to-d9 ill m the audit List that was going to be followed up llhrougb - b ' some - 9 docummts which at thc time I didn't attach a ilcal of fl l b 7l C diis mc idaa1 i1· ii that dx r1i 1 CRl 12 boles w rt lists of - I'm sorrJ 1bcn wm ll probably - llOW r111 gucs That 'wa-e probably two i 14 imm i JS Oac iuuc lb was probably• a llllba- OD the · l6 -pcnl latgitr and ·up ncisac --1 1'7 suspect it didn't hit lo 1bc IUO'lba so thal they knew Chat Is S0UlClhiog WU missing Okay 'lliac would have i9 probbn 0 7 she was missing a couple of docwncnts or- what have you ihai · It is tbat as w subsoqucally br-1 doc 11111011s rage 115 I ha - wflal rhc scope of what shc io rarticular was-looking 2 aL I' ll be honest witfi you I had even forgo lai about 6 review saying somcdling about she was I 9 PQdung it's·nul that 11x y·dido't bavc a I l bl 7 C l l b 7 CJ f lil I rt ally sat do ind tried to you know think 4 through_that day and so forth a ld so oo -5 And I do rccait l b 7 C It he vecy end f the audit J - i d a i - - 11iuu llosci1 lliliis 6 C81-V1--001--003707 Multi-Page And p italliaUy aoodicr p obb n ·oukl have1 cm I that in facl Ibey bad okay I've tot1al aii the b' inuctiotis 22 that m-- Jceup ppiaal' lcilecr nuiitt liut 1'111 missing tbis 2 do uu cnt chat doc 800 die oiii ·x'docwnent So here 24 wen problans ol dial oa _v liich if yi ii tib I would' 2S with Yl U mal us unable lo say di il the 11oolt was· Pagi 114 P-age 116 as a - yeah well uiafs•to do v ncro o_gc t llalcbned I perfi cuy acllicvable to lhc last penny I 2 Now then it became a question of to so ·dcgroe 2 up 1 malai ii to so - gn e nature orpayments and so forth · 1Cbl 7KC IOJcay Thank you I bps d ·for 4 and so· aa ij I i ----1 iocall the date but I oo· 4 moinatl but I understood wh 31 you were saying which is· lh 11 ·s· n cal l ol some time ·- at the expense of probably·making ·a 5 you do not bavc pg-foct lc nowlalg e of lb de tails bu1 you 6 mistalcc on thc dale wan to say Scpidnbct'oc iuty of '97 ' 6 undcrsldod Iba thcxe was a bole · ' 1 something· lhal Jorge' 'li6 ·· 1t wouldn't v e 1 And as a l t i o _J - · 8 • bl 7 bing lho ptoocss ·and providing ' · 8 - f - ' cJa · · ••r · · 9 At some maybc afwas cvt n late '96 t r soil¥ ·· · 9 illfonnalioa bc'b ls -from his pcnpcctive _but be i s uot i ic 10 t i m e l o ' 9 7 -bi'it fil - · •o rigfil wilot $s 1o you lbc more spcoifac - If how_ Ir j bl 7 C rq iy to'Exlu'bit No l4 $lent a n ply 1J b ll C I JI this prl eSS worhd •'• ' ' l2 l b l C • · it_is · bst·bit-'or'it'cxa iit for ' 12 Tllfi WIINESS l' in really I IJ bai iilll e thing that l'in ' · ·you ll- to -y nccd to view my ic stimony in diis Ip some 14 S222 4hnd lia-c•s ·- 1 dus · dc lennillt ifto·be·a-iiili- - 14 alall aa obsirnu fl'OII lhcoutsidc 'Jb K'wis r • • • • • ' IS coding dcta1niocd to·be 'you know diis problan IS circwnstanllalmbioc·lha i hc- 1- p · 16 was bc u g l'ollo- -1 in 1bc 5CQSC lbat•alJ lits· going ·a nd 16 or that b t' y' you hibw put il to tied i7 tia11 ' pttt il lo in Jriy tioe •in a · ·17 so forth and so on 1'would periodlcallytp a lQt of • • satisfactory- - 18 rq cxti 'lb would raise small i ssucs io dris _ So ii was iinpafcd aoihi 11r - 19 big uad 'he I f can t I j · • - lin - 'w · ror • - prob 1 · · f 20 •• I 0 fud you re·rigbl· it and of up ·eit •t·Uaat it' wasn t · being 21 at least in my ap ati it w So't tit was 22 oot being done ui'iny oi'thcsie'yca'cs·- ·' · ll Q 24l b C _·And is the documciits·lhat 21 in lhal ·· -in- pni '97 c so ·dcic' -cic · Thc '· summarics 'A I mean j don'l know lloocsdy ·1 doo' l ·-· 2 S ' bad- 20 rui amsiag SOIDC documcolS ·aud I inlCn'al XI IO-SQll C def Joe 1 But ii was you know fl much as an ob 22 So if you try lo get too spocific widlmc'·' 2 J b l C INo aod runcScµ that a H 24 lhequcstici i wida diccq cxtatioil 'dl tyou _wtn nllt _ - 25 iod-' cQlc r oo • lol of dic se sues but I 11 111 t yuu' l i ificd Rcnortioe Scririces lilc 102 '296--9626· I l -23-'99 Page _113 fag 116 NSA-SEC-14-000247 l b 7 C qIIQUIT A BRANDS l'age I 17 Page 119 kniiw and wb 1 your iaivolw mcnt was anti l couinly_appra i lle 1 _I foc- his ·ronnal 2 it • · S oa i b 7 C bavc bocn -Wl' '·good 1 bdpiM out widl tbal a a d rt aduig lhc qucstiua dul way and 7 Ii 9 ow al as E ahibiOS ' l wiU describe it ftlr die n cord Ji is a 4 •j - 11wiD·p · 1 b 7 C 10 beyond d t Q Your ·bcing l bJ 7 C Pauk _ l7· TIIE WllNESS ·Oby 18 BY l b 7XC I mi A Al lh il i - _My s loday I J cum ot bQss also probably s l llunk we've Md ht 12 11 - 1 IO look lhal 14 coovcrsalioa lhiok we''l'I bad lhc vuution I 15 wouldcl'l c Yql swear lo it but ·16 Q lhc cblge i_a '1996 lime rra 7 JS uva courud 16 N I bad diis alion 'aa4 I di 11 · dis ussod bu1 I can't go 0 II SEC Exlllllit No JS-was _ _ _ _ _IJ 3fhd_ or idcnlificalioa ' ll p ss d 3t soov body too l b_ 7_l_ C_ - - 1ia I c va- ash d7 9 wj1h ruy 11 one-pag documail l3atc s NrDp 2CH l91 12 Would I 4 11b m c -- ba¥C baildcd wtia ba s boca 10 r- s wase·of d1a1l b 7 C ' S w be a m of lhc facl Iha I 'Jl3· 1s are goiog oli7 6 I would feel icliilivdy_confidcol Iha be luiows 7 Haw I eYCr b1 die coav lioo witb him7 tfo I ·a Ilcnow A J 11 c Ila paJl llC2IIS 6 appn cillc ihat ' ba _ani Ci'O 'P' 2 nuwing TIIE WTINE 'iS · Fair mough J litic Ill as a prnc1ic al rnauu he _w ii CBI-V1-001-003708' 1 - Ha yuu scca llu1 docamc at bcf 7 '11' A No 1·8 Q l b 7XC 19 A Mm-hmm Q Aga n 001· tallcir g in 1ttm or ao spociroc p t 'IQCGI ' · 19 20 Q A ·Not lbat l IL · 20 21 Q' Do'you DOW wbat di i1 ldi wu ca1 is7 · 21 '4 0 OC a ny spcci c group what tLe highest k vcl 'of appcoval 22 oc authoriµtioa IO aul' c tbcse IYJJ1 -S of paymco'ts7 · ' · z3 A I QI s I w di ntiM d lhc llistinctioo ·1a u 22 A Only i'y rcading•it l c aa•suppose - I can rn sumc 23 i io be frocnP 7xci Iin b ho is 24 oudiaing·IO bun the pa 'malli tbat 'bc's run·tliioogb lhc_ 1 5 a uriry' ac IWII' ··t MYt' - lbc t •· is pro _ l one is J i 7 former q ion w u jun knowkdgc 7 24 qucs n 2S ie Page 11-8 i ' J nflf wn'NES$ ·Do nOI usc-- 'UllC not valid per -· jtb 7 C 4 has s poinltxl iul lo 2 fo aooi11111 ·-- · · · r·o y So f soc somc'scnllbling f yiog ii's·not·valid 4 I eY1 b 7 cJ 8 - ymcals icowatsT• · · · 9 'A I doa'I bmv' 8 ilic-documcot · - I · · ' • ' Q Tlut is rigbL ad dui li k ind-ohdaal l am ' • 9 '« t Y i _ q -- y ·bc a · - · - ' f • BYl b 7XC · · · · 6 _ Q A c d is wba A -- -f iai le · l·Uilnk you Md1H t1 I 1 1 be means by IOI valid- «elsdy IJ · -0 ·1 b XC · 12 out lo lhc side and moybc i h vc a bias inwards opaaii pa plc nd so 1'i l _lhintl bl 7 cJ l' -nc vcr - 10 wmco ' A ·okay I dtinl th al -- y ' aslco I me for 1oc hi I J 6 Q b lhis lbc type of docwncal lh al was m aJciog its 7 wayloCiGCi li obt lp·lbc m· • lhc -sici I Page 120 Q l do not 1 11ow ff then is Thc ·itnc ss confam I wilt counsel I 10 U J ' q disti 1111tic_i - i · IJ know oct Q n g y aild aot-of uy spocir c pa 'IDCIII - ·1 c_ · I A tr - ria catain dial bX7KC is awan o lficfacidia1 makclhest· IS l d1lb l do 't -but I lbapl c audit 6 4 M or pa ti-eo aay 0Pcig ro11p spocifrcall' wbo is tfic laighcd - · 14 f is a •1 ·if U lcwl i ad iv'idaal ·ot Q iquita-widl knowlofgc·oC dlcs p tjUa -5 curn nJ CR of' Ch quita who is ttlalf ' dy in 'tfit ' or b1 at•I 16 rsjincats1 • - t·1c t•s· -widuod ay as· -sil' Oda - n 19 gucrilia•·paymc olS Diicsii•t mcan lllat fil •u of die ·- 21 v arc·inakingguailbpa IS - -·--· · ·_ ' 19 _ 10 21 22 The fll'Sl lime lb it wi wac ronled with diis U irlueJ b XC I1e IIQ loogt-r ll l _- 24 rq oiu ZS SOl'i Q Doc s lhc clwtgo i we g bxlc · ·am 'pie - ' ·' · ' illis 17 l o sliU th ink lbc • udil·comini c knows Oc 11 P9S·iibly 7 A Y I 24 jiat·tune was rhc-cdoo't aslc IIIC 25 - · · - make bet- ·again rfut's all iris U l wo Jd m - lcc a bd ltiat an today aciualfy pan ol Blllj lbX 7 C 1100 ''tkno_w bc' cf ·or 18 not I JIISI Jon' 20 spcdic·mtount lbc' l' l ific paymait but be is aW3 i I• · I· 16 l l b IC b 7XC · ·· ·_ 17 l bX7KC A lcaaglw Olflia atuw 'o oauinty and lc ao ' • 18 lllllllc a good lid I lcllu w dwl bJ 7 C aware or doc · · ·ocw · ik - s - to' tb it· • Wlkthcr-it was ta - - biy ' ·ar - f lhc i ·· J i ificd i ortiQJ Services Joe 202 296-9626 11 -7 99 0 • ' • ' o _ I ' • •• • • ' • •• ' NSA-SEC-14-000248 CBI-V1-001-003709 · Multi-Page I ' Page 123 Page 121 I i• MIi atOIMd c ay day pn bobly ni cd af cf cbc loct we I you kno w - --- 2 l bX7XC We will d - fcr it then I 2 I 14 poet llul ii wu ni sc cl aad I ' 'ld bc swp iJOd J if it i- S in the middle md_1 would like it to b e d A RifJ t 8 Q Oby r ceual -oe 7 IOO dw aClic r _ apcci ptc XS of TilE WITNESS All rigtil So BY j bX7 C 9 - 10 tp eif oc atl7 i• of lofpOdadical pa - 1 _ 11 ulk lihooil hf - - - N _ _ ia ltow Cl o 12 u pa _ Co r- -too - dial F ch paid I 10 ti paea algd I Olcay l b 7XC 8 9 douc c 11 o ipo clbtd aJ 1 -uctot lk_ 13 - TfU 'wnl'ESS l ould h k it to be righ_ lhcrc 6- u4 new bcfOft 1 Y Thal would be a IDOIC 4 appropri k pboc·bocausc somdiincs dli11gs gel buried Q Ob7 I j c w-aalot lo m a b nn I drar a 5 dbtiiodioa _ tao how aow a tc nll oC oalala C 'QIS l bX7XC · 3- 4 6 l b 7XC - a ' Q Cota Id I just top you for a momcoe7 12 A SW'C u Q l Ddcnldd ipg that cvay caS1G by UK ii i1 going 14 __ Cl c ' a ' a 4 lloo way S lo euc 1- 4 10 be cliflcnzat but is dic n aa cxpc ctaliooa or- aa l -15 a d i 4 i ·lbeboob- ' dl ltg c Ca IS undc rstaodiag llaal lhc·• pproacla•or- lhc dcmaod for payincal ii i · 17 _ lo C bow tac 11 ii aaJ- Cu-_4o dull _16 · dl c pa - C diuepcanda du I II la Jf lo · 18 ' c aa IIJ 19 j bX7XC · I You maa • r ucrilt p_ay na 11 · l bX7XC 20 Yes tol bX7J C 17 Ig o - bc lhc willa I be coal acts wf tlaat - a 1 u-g c Cage of lhc timc7 A Not arily '19 Q Oby 20 A The 1pproach ould be made w i say fr6 n a low _21 lcvd anploy cc a farm bbon r could lcll lhe manager of a 21 22 die ll i 6 e pcst commuokalcd It coolJ come ia a variety oC tones 'The R qU s1 c uld' come 22 faun who in as • phooc ull aAOGY fflOIIS llUn cdk somebody dsc nd ii WO ks its wai up 23 lhe ladda- It could coinc with an anonymous telephone call 24· _phoae call TI o a q esl oo ld '° ' tlv ao· Clllployo wbo - _2 4 lbac s ·a 25 ·b u ooetaa wt Y••I hove-this 25 his soct of srutr 3 11d it That's probably lot of smoke and utt 'S and hocus-po --us in aU of _comes and bcn dicrc's _a paiocJ-of' P11gc 124 Page 122 I sort of evaluation l about-as ricb cxamplcs as I cali -give 'OU because I don't d 2 ro kDow each and cw ry detail bu i would com from - J lways but on occasion to go clc to these croups and send lb raJUCSI be cvaiualcd fo its lq itimacy • S Now I can tdl you I bat in the past all I acnially doo t j 6 bow about our cum ut guy bu f OfllaCts -1 wilh the guerilla groups oftca through thitd 8 parucs Thae•wu·• b r the dame ot b C7XCJ wt - I guy ·9 l bX7XCJ 10 11 12 ll 14 IS IOno or two Of1F guys of going kill ' · 8 back in one instan c and saying·why· j11 the world ·did y came bac i ·vciy_ would just lii c lo auik swv ba_t ·10 and you pro bc have aod thcy 11 apologeti y said that' it ha4 a of 'M COlllmllllicatc bow sauitive Ibis iafonmtioo icnns of - is in ·_ ll'idcntity Well that was a gteat consolatioo to the guy•s· so urity a people that be is idco lJ wife and kids ·· THE WITNESS Wdl I wa s planaiiig ng a litdc·spocdi'alioui·lhat b •ctually nise u ' f IY good 14 · But tha-c is an allcmpt to go ·back and gd some KJi IL ' • 15 level of comfort tliat ·lhis is legitimate · And then' we· dc cidc case m c n l bK7XC is ' i1 t Scc klllcaaDOtsay it - y process j b 7 C i Alld it is uodi rstoo a'- here i · t lac lc_ do is lb it 1 would I Ol IO be bl - d - cbc C know to say-that -19_this stcr y-stq oc lriod to - f 24 ·· 25 Ithey decide in wisdom to makc·lh pa t · 23 bK7XCl 24 ia tbc rm a_·of a p t -it is baler for it 1o oo the bst p gc wit« bX7XC M y l s-- l vcoevc rwalkfdihrougb 'pcoplo woil'nlo that with 'OlL lt' s sensitive d just woa't do thaq¥ith 21 you 22 Foc the m 'Sl Part money would be given to · 1 _18 ·- _ 20 _it Th rc is• for getting it but 21 lllfl WITNESS Wdl• ' 2 fwould cally dcci talks--it ova' J6 in wisdo 19 What you cao say is 1ba1·1hcre m l'C S1rictio is O ing 2S 6 from 7 We've had the very unpleasant_c xpai llbX7XC · ·Allow inc the indulga c t • sk 17 goiog 10-bc·madc p • · ' 22 4 messages back to them to one start a negOliating P roocss S· OC' two i11 fact im1uire•as to whether or not llus is coming 9 this guy if Wf '_y ·paying you and y have ·promi us · 16 18 We have in the past had an ability on occasion not 2 ' OU • J know in a stra t·srn art way In two would give it·to a lhird pa tygo bc t Mxn likc llus cur l bX7J C In cash Q In casbl Page l21 - Page 124 NSA-SEC-14-000249 b 7XCI Mlilti-Page ™ I CIDQutr A BRANDS Page J-27 · rage 125 I A I know a11ytli i11g dr- 1 maLic up o - dowu ia tbc blidgd ac t In cash End of scory Now docs ic get 2 distribulc d lo lhc le 11u c' ii should be7 Docs ic ca 2 for scnsitivc _raymcnts no il's approiumaldy dte sam ' aid 3 distribulOd - 'OU lc11uw •s a coirunissioo fo - llui'guy 3 of subject Nothi n g di l 4 Q Aud MIO wc cild I a -lc iog lhal qucslioa7 s -A be half or it ind put ir io his pnch t7· S llawdo -11 117 Thqc' no way of dciamiiting lhaL 6 Th arc SOIOC bowc vu The lipofTs can 7 be tbal you b dic ymcnl and Ibey bum dowo lhc packing 8 ealioo ao y And dicn 'OU µy· why lbe did you bum po T$ 6 '• i· -var I - i pac - in f pa we've lhink '' ·lhc·iin v'ioos SUSflCl tb approacha _ can have Iii 18 tliis and dial wcdo ha Iii ibis· Otha than lha tbc n · · · · 11 i i bclt doc sn'I t cing aclc piocc u pa Q Bue I 1licao ia a wsy spocif'ic ICIISIC ask iag you r - M - w so _· ve a chcicklist that would an uva L- lanc11I It Wl Uld be the kiod ofthing lbat ill 22 lhc na111r I CQ IISC If ll VN Wing an aU lii I would I cud lo do · 23 I wouldn't kcq ' a m ord of iL 14 I oouldn' swear lo you·lhi 1 I've done it c arid 2S ·c vcry ycac but would lend IO view a bu lgct a he e aild maybe it wasn'I be · Page 128 Page 126 '1 1 that one of lhe sort of books and nx unls issues if-yw · 2 will is that by cbanoclli'ng tlicsc·kind of paymcn s 'il11ougl • •I ' •• • • • • I c o q nrivc fashion 5 l Jgh ·bui· II ipipofa tly U • I 'OIi - • I •• bow all ava lhc place · • • '• • • ••• - • p $ 11 due it· • 11p fiw fuioeo - · 12 A ··Absotulcij- · · I • 15 16 - • 1 Q l ·iua ·lo • d iac- w dt-a u-eo bitli • ••s cbl ne is'or -ineofubialha i«ivo1 ·· 14 ' l' u c I S 'dic il «•1 I cxpaise ru d ac aJ Ulls Whal is the i6 hdgdiag procc u for ihc sc occounti'I 11 · y·c - i doo't i 10 - -i ig · · · 19 il d i _ Jou uy A Rid t Thu's cvcl'Cd · -i1 i · - · t • ' Q lwa qt moYCoatotbcbadgetiogproccis roc f waal il'1 gc1 away from u - ·doo __ 7 u 'yo1 ·do ii at pcn ci- c1lac lc-1o be • _ jw • • i -tfud of p we vc ba- q' ll thc iu _ ' sibic it wooJd if it niajo blip io 8 dccn a- 9 · - Aadi1 · it all ·rigba thcn so hat l ·10 - SOme 6 • oC a r i g - fulaio« r o JOUI' poj• t of vkw it i ' lo• g ··a - _diat'snot_myo of · if 11 m wc e • S ha '1 111 1o· iass b paisa lo satisfy - and if i1noah ·IO •· 6 issues if ii' s oiakrial 1 doaf Frw ly I do_ubl if it's mataiat enough o nocd co°· ' lhal J 'outd 1cn f10 j op out boop ' $0 2 ' ' di dioo or olfier it would be the ad of thing lb t • 3 you know one or two dcsign Jlod accOUAts th it ii ooe · 4 coabb pec plc in io l b C 01' what ·' ·I lwiUgi b 7 C jiu ity olo ol - d ae l will dcsuille it or Ibo - s E 1lubtl l S is a _ 17 doctomcat Batet dullped l lQl7-GOOOS L nc d ale ot typ atciuair ibd·eo 2 0 ooo a · 19 uy Cf n ac s A · · - 2 ' Havc J IICICll-dus docwncaC ' bcfosc ycar iu I wd ore you bow ramr early in · · · 21 A No game ·when his was jllSI h tiooing l ·was i cking ihai · ' · 20 • 2I · 22 fairly y 21 22 II gave us 16 bc nchuwi of 24 · b - P in s b t for kxby - 2S b pmccss it wouldn't go bcyoiicfa q ion - yi u P 12 -·Page 28 A t'sunmy l10eldis1for b C ilfl to1cll 20 chccldist oc lhal ind00cH cvtn 21 is des with Iba p in niP L bul I have o ys ·assllmod • 19 you lh il it is procodurally rigorous at the lop of my· 21 Q Aa4 then is a _daagcc to you all having b o city 22 mi • p lioos y ui- lo a d records 2 A _Absolutd I Bu•· ' satlhis tha1 ·oncof 24 •the- at least - il's not s aid 8 18 19 is no paper I mean as I said die FARC isn't going io s·jgn 20 rcccivcd A Catainly not io a rigorow proccdur I· - 10 chis rear 11 A Again jusl lo rq cal · not in-a tit rous fas 12 Nobody's got iliac oo lhcic-checldist I oacan it m -occur 13 IO SOlll body you di is year lo say by die WJY 14 ythiog goin on oc it miglJC not I IDCall it'1 not '1s prooc dw Uy rigorous 16 Q Out·to·usc yout·CcnJliaology it u oa yom 17 cbock list foc-l b C i inoCyoun · ·ii•s a diff'icuh tisfaclOry able fs· to be lipdy 16 · Q Okay ·And is anybody aski o« ou lbar qucslio i7 7 9 is the badgcting flX sc uiiu¥i ·paymc ot accouats ia Columbia 9 dowD my paclcing slation and dq y wdl we • guC Uic 10 pa 'ID DL Yoo know that kind o thlog I anc 1ri t1iac• sort II of follow ap ia lhc UIICOlllf003blc rialul'lll of 12 evaits « bum the olber guy's paclcfag stalilia and 1-3 14 I l b 7 C Q 1 o yo11 bow wt at thii dOCIUl Cllt it · CBI V1-001-003 710 23 A Yes ·24 Q Wlaac b lhis _ 2S A 'Ous is a a liag- 11« paymc 1 la · I Diversified RcoortioP Services l c 202 296-9626 l 1-23- 99 NSA-SEC-14-000250 CIDQUITA li NDS Multi- Pagc™ l D 7 C CBI-V1-001-003711 Page' 137 I A 11ia1• s right lliat s cou'OCL Aud d1CU again my ii 1 undastanding n vay broad brush stmkcs at some pqinl in 3 lime lhc cusloms agalls would come tbey would clcac d1a1 2 l led up to 1h 1t for to make any J Q Thal is what I nocd • 4 1 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 IS 16 17 8 19 20 i1 22 · 2 J • Z •is · every aware guys od the A Only ins o far as I became awan of I his v bolc issue 25 A Sigrtificaot progress Page 138 I tbat·wc'ic discussiiJg today Jr going 2 In ilii t conlo I I ·boi u1 c ·aware of ii • Q Pri J ' lo which bc w ' tmt'lhcrc WC IQ di mtSs IO day was a· rt qucsl' lhat Baoadcx rcoew this A rai •h lde 0· ·1 ' youlha1if wasao1 · I l prior fO aiy _ · is a i o '7s1alcmall · · I 12 k ' Jy _ tiot co· y·C011versalioa wi DK7 C ll al d1edld'of tb daiy on Sq tanLa- 22nd -- - - - -_ - - - - IS Ap il l b 7 C 2 Ii Ycs ll allhcy had - rcmcmlx i I had refcm d very 00 Ulizatio from anta M Tu rbo TH6 WTTN' 5 'Ai ril I'm wny I k cq -sayu1g 16 Scpbnber April 22nil 'Ou April 22nd lt'wu oot prior to tiling ov lhc sl DK7 C u_ff aJJ 1 Iii • c' ia t•l i_ iess Q I think ii°h 'boca referred · as 7 Pto · 6 A fff lid ' ·have n rcic ilkxtion of iL ' Q· Wti a- the• ftnt lime you cva'bcanl di at 8 then wu a DCl0d that you rc c all cva- bcariog dioc ni was 9· 1 IIClid-to· dais pcmit7 · i Q ·Ycs_ 4 7 to Page 140 I J early on thal they ' ajdccssi coll ip_sii g 1 ·accowiting will 'get to you h ld DO S p riml7 6 139 A Olcay I had made a lop lo olombia I go to S Colombia quite frequently so frequently being once two 6 to lm c wcdcs ex what vc you So if I try to reconstruct ward ousc aiigbtgo dirtcily·to a fatm mighl go dirccdy oa 7 for you wh lt I di1 on the two days that I w- is in Colombia it a truck to l 'lhird party might go to anod- r -ca withia the 8 would be a hopeless task Thac's now way that I could do Oanadci prbj aty wba-c it ·wOllld jusl be slofcd i s clc ut d 9 that but obviously I have been bl to rcconstruct so o inaleri 1L That's probably about is good as I can do for you IO il And dtc patl l art st alts will1 lite closi audjl Q Docs ffaaadtx aciod a pam iHrom Col0111biaa custoqis 11 mocting on the aft emoon of the 22nd t o use lbc fadlity·iii tbis·III IUUld1 u I bad been dealing wilh odaer mattas until that A Yc s lJ point in time $on't ask me what I have fl 311Y no Q Oby ·· 14 k ction of what spc x ifically but one 6f_the reasons IS that 1113d chosen tA make this trip was that I was th3t A I bc1ic vc-it's from Colombia custoUls I know bat 16 ·the ail Jit was coming t a c·lose and I was intcrestdf i had cbcre's •• I undastand lbai°'ibcn 's a t 1 m nohuri wbo actually f mllUy admits it but -· 11 heard from my Col albian organization die fuianaai Q Wlicia did Duuidc i fust obtai11 Ibis type of t 18 that things_wa'c - much belt ct shape that 'ihey had inade 19 significant progn ss an'd I was intacst cd in SOIUC f9r this facility the Turbo facllilfl A don't know I mean I cari only g lcss that we 20 coofinnation d diat from ihc auditoc So I was rant 0'11ainal it when Daumlcx W- 1$ crtatcJ and wbc 11 die wlwf 21 intdi stc d in attending thc_closing audit somcthiiig that l _ 'facility was buill 22 would not have done as a-routine matta Q Did y01i b«ome·aw -n al some poiat lh t Daaadcx was 1J Q· And siguifi i process th t is from prior going t o not d 'to n ocw this ji raiit 24 audits or prior circ stances7 · ·· •· mcrcbandi$C ciihcr because duties b 1 boen paid or bcc2use S it's b«ll C X Qalllcd·anJ ll c propcc pn ctxilll'C S baVc been-gone 6 dirougb aoo diat'ioadiandisc would dial leave diac bonded I j P c A Yes I have lo -- essentially li 1vc to Jcsail e I • • ·• • - ' the Synergy· ' •• · • • q ·· • ·· 8 A Exactly So you lcnow I wantod to sioc i f 1CXCSS on · 9 dial froot f a cost 10· but l also wall some ntfort iliar ···' ' vi poi t of · · tlial M ·· _II without l poo ci and SO · arid o-r coafez - · · · · · · - - ·' 1laat f - - l- lycbt't· __ · 12 · inlal stcd i t'closing IJ -ve ar 1 oi ·wktt i ·the - -_- - -·i · · • • '•• 14 -n caIL but· told swto1 · IS have you and I I that i t 16 it · Ans1 we sat through oonf and the c oofcrcnoc was 21 dtat I bad of aoy of Ibis cus olns busiDCS$ or wliat' ba' -you· 11 actuallyquite positive l bK 7xc CIQldy · · ·J 7 18 · Ii men - of the w dlalt K C bd -· i l nd 100lp _ - ' ---- 1111 - · 19 the 'N lfk tbat l D 7 C ihat_ Vf IS -- a 1 le · 20 hadn't beoi'wi too long - oipl aod 21 tonfacnoc was a 22 was A rii' 22nd i lbc ble aftanoon 2 8YJ b 7KC 22 2J i b 7 1C 17 that N I·cfoo•t rcx aU spocitaeally wbcmcror '°'be · 18 ma1 ioood it ia vqynpid COOVU$ 1tioa that·fhad witb 19 him aad if be didn't aoil be may not have dlca ii would ba' C 20 oaly have subsoqat IO lhal But tlse fint lioo --· 24 Q Could _rou· bc for aic t h e of llaal 2S c oa llCl Jatioq1 · time so · · · · ·· · g - ·· 24 2S Now at the very of the confC n no r avrood f -- I t w - _a f mi lutc · prcscntati - picture a 1 unch of f poople around the roo tpr-s the and_ c itb audi O Page· 137 ·- · agd 9 ' ' NSA-SEC-14-000251 bX7XC I CIDQUlTA DR t NDS rag 143 Page 141 I might bilk aboui d c 2J'C 1 lh Jt they boa auditipg And I appointtnc nL l m vay very hazy aod ruzzy on cucily nnd abo11Ubc fac iliac bad done some 2 sd b J C i 4 tnmaclioos from Che g n l kdf aid f111111 tncJ so on S 7 malb--of-facl _ -issue h m y b s h e diat it was ' ' l o oaUin documails ii wu dial lhe dc u1I 10 oflhc individual ilida'1 hit I0°k l 'I numbc r aod t diad on there -• couple of 12 PUSSiflg lraRS3Ctiocis and a rtt 00eilia ioai t f ' liiit it was I id i11 1 V«y of Ila of P l Y -ny' U Ibis it's stiU Ml ClpCll 11c m l b 7 C B sk tia l boc o unable lo again l'oi fuzzy lien ·i i·vc _· Po 1o _k _v as kid it had a lisl or ymcots 12 And so die payu L ' wha1 b t ' C _you ·• d fas goint through raymcnl by paym •I Id he _w as l b l C • dcscnoiag wbal Ibey _ uUy were ' · I 'IS Q 0utoC•i1 mc mOI ' 16 A Wicb list bu _ yes-• He •J _havc a P ile of 17 doClu ' JllS if that's wb t you mean 18 Q I guess wlut 1 mca11 is -- wcll I 19 If you -·i •t n nonba it w n lfy- ·dilii· diink it -m i _ owid FCPA pa se it inoi a the 20 · around wt at - b ked at lbc list you would not·bavc _bc ea_ tilp 10 -20 tell 21 was fo itie p ious c iclul i · · ··· Q bi1 137 ••look' ' the tut c r'Exhiblt • 22 work sba I dl3t 24 IJ - ·1 1 2 can inl b 7 - - - - I recall as n not c l ook of S001'l ·I I counc of the day so far · ·n ii ·tumcd kl I he id look you 1inow ·•s -as·I'm bcrc why 19 don' we sit down wi b l C • blk lhc9e I i I tool 01d what 10 not lbc spcxif c c Jlhibits '911 me during I The f cc ' a aac1· 17 llut' y ntc so we 9 o11ow up o t • wi '11 sit -- 16 So ii was just a to-do item b 7 C 8 oc·wbcdia isl bX 7 C j doa't r 1U-whc thcr at the point that be C llcd 4 S I doo'_I bet specifically lhc dcRils of wbal 6 die mr nlioood I n mcmba t die lime ii i var roulioc I pllXisdy wb n tha1 was I don't le now w ii was - I do rnca b 7 C of wb 11 -•re biking abwl bm c ulia tis1ing' · 22 23 A No Q Uc looks at 11 e Ii$ be blows cudly what it k •A ·Tbac's rig ll •That's r ighl Now I uiiglit ha - • bca able to rn ikc a pretty good _ atuc led Uf'SS okay Out 25 youwo1tld11'tbavel ccn abletolcl ·· ·· 2 25 · · A Ex acdy ltwasmorenroundlhcworbbc ctin '· ----------------- --------1--- ---- ----'------- -- ---1 Page 144 age 142 · I Exlul il 13 and how he'd lilcc IO kind of baodlc chi$ oa a 2 J 4 s was 6 ii was - it was - ··it l 10 - so il t« - - Aocfthai -t b ·- ·it y ha -- l b J CJ ' 16 --i 4r cd -it tobc' you-- 17 dci idcd 'lhat' - i·lbi - cd b e -wilh - · •eevai ·- I d it · lhe eimc fi oc buf • · 19 da tl we Id- ai j bJ 7 C ktivify f dje Ii¥· 1 ' ' JI to I we catbl ' b X 7 c In AISonw time dw iog Ibis p ih u ·oow·prdty · 21 22 btc · - f -had bb ii I holli-s aad dw 2J qiiwasalions widi l b l C 24 and i'm 25 And hi b 7 C I ' - ·wtule' I b 7J C 13 4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - IS I 17 • 20 ' CBI-V1-001-00 3712 He gets lo'this p uticl lar CS lry and- · l b 7 C I miry is that lltE WITNESS Well I 1nc io - JI I I _ 1' 18 chi$ 8 cniJlioa peso Clllry BYl b 7 C - · • I· ' •• •11 A Right lbal is described as ma - 23 And be gets lo Iha I miry and be - b ' s _M l l · 24 f X1bcouuog and be iays-aad' I can't l1e- said 25' •ii in English CK in Spaoish bu1 he sayi you r ··i -·· Q Rqm s cai cd liy- you l fC pototiog 1 _16 21 which is Cxhibit 25 • • 22 guasillg was sixish or wt a bwc'm I scimc ia diis_ 12 ' IIt's QOt 110 '1-exiSl alt - 11 nol vay•good l b 7 C Ji wae·ha- i ng • prink coavaucioii'a lhit _ - __ ____ have ·SOI - · 6 the anny or chi$ tha1 and the otba' doi 'S and i oUy doo'J 10-l b J C • 20 - moalhs· - going lhrough $ list i · 7 rananba d c debit And tbc n wi Uf OO r tlg or · Wc -om •coiif collbX 7XCJ IS f · 8 Ibis ilcm on lhi list 7x ' 9 AJ1d by the way chi$ coo sition 1 ' b c -' -' - ' '-'·'-- ·- r u ' J bX7 Cl 1-1 we I 4 le ind -of a non cn1fu sort·of a way ' s a p_a t l lhc -dils C m im diat · II CCII basically 'kiii c ·ptacc · fo all • 5 FARC a 'd bac's a payment to lhc ELN and • 7 about catqoriziag dicsc c xperucs with difTcn ac codes and 00 hl -S ing •• A And for the most p ut l 3Sq'I bk IO ldl 3 either Okay So j bX 7XCJ was also a i be· 8 • -so IO putso ndfwigo11t«'i a daa1 9 alld ·1 s b changul mind Le did _ 2 inade-SOUW Sllf 8C$6 'wliidi sai y not i nplcmcnlod ' •J Q Uodcntood · r is And i1· ab of a t cs i y 1o die facl cbat y i°kno he'd bad dlff c wty gdling 'all lhc dncwncotation ihot he had wabbl iln a f·basli' bul it · · Page 141 - Page 144· i ivmificd-Rcporti -SctVi CS Inc 002- -296 -9 2 J 1-2 99 ' •• NSA-SEC-14-000252 CHI-V1-001-003713 ' I td lti-Page ™ CWQ1RTA BRANDS · Page 129 · Page 131 I lhis c sc 18 Ilion P CSOS and die document al$ bas in 2 IICCOUlll J A -x paa1ioos • 4 Q Oby What does thi s lcJI you aoout what this Q - tb j s aa 1'f o da I016 twc _haw bc ca 5 c 11 pc odilui-c was fo -l 1 diseasriag periodically ttaro igbout tbc d ayl - 6 A ltbiokitil My oolybcsitancyisthatincach· · • 6 8 su- e and a litdc bit 4ifT t ' shape and· so forth and so on 9 so this is clcatly • JO doc wnc a_ af tml ir it is not wl at l would 'I 1oeauy inoocuuus explanation And actually just 'IO ive io you an cxaaiplc of bow inOOCU011S we had our loading call a 1016 ' btrially and I doo't soe 1016 on it anywbcn b ll · · l'i it's lhc ciquivabt · ll Q Oby M aybc I ua bclp J11$t rO£ 1bc moment I 11 facilities in Turoo allackcd by tbc guerrillas in the early 12 '90s llq c unc in a i d tb y blew up tbe facilities Alld haa_ prc vi Usly - - as ibit 22 I wiU dc scribc it '7 wcU l wiU ciw you die 13 f 1afdy thc y did it iii 11 e· middle of rile night and nol dY 14 was so nobody got burt They blew up 'tbc facilitiet IS And ifl bad seen Ibis as ii is io the conleXt or 16 opaacionc s aild this kind ·of accoun_t my first impression IJ will laaod a l4 - · •· is Bac 1 utame - lqIQl7-00000SI aad giw you a -·'° a that t¥ _I wiU tdl yoo e is 17 lhb 1 it 2S PP Can lojustbe _a bad _ copy i ut if you · · 18 loolcatP 4- _iti tbcsamc·r Ctinthc· i9 uppcn-igbt actua lly the wbi •·ppeais lo j' · 20 · w just aot ·made its way l _ugb ibc copy process oo the othCl' documcal 21 2 A Righi Exactly And it's obviously the same fo · ll Q Yes d i e ' we have r io 16 t 17 might bave beai that diis was ·• pa t 10 the llas ro I 8· the same group that had pn viow ly blown up the wodc IOi6 19 facilities · i4 1016• w t oaWbde·r lhe l Oroto_haw i 25 deu Womng ° - • - n · IS 22 1ell 'Ollc 23 PallSC · • A Th3t' nom ct 7 • r or c1cr · · faij· •p asc 3 · · _ - · · - or ·· ·· · ' nam l y - wcJJb ri ·f ui '1 • · · 12 13 -·• • ·· •·· • ··· Q P_a - i · i • ·· • • · · 15 1 l'$ Th i- of 81ii lf ionpcsos_ 16 ·Q oica1 liaes - well linca - • - cOQOC ito · 17 o r · ' __ - · or somdhing 18 A_ meao •roc the J u posc 19 lib 1hat ' ' '··• Q lhc lines under t arc for the descripli I of 21 the paJQICDl ' 20 i 22 23 24 2S £be c xp lioia That's rif t ve Q i-a4 bac OC1 l xllillit 2 S wt 02CiOQ·awil -• A' ·- ··' 1is t a auri r Q A SEC Exhibi1 No 36 W3S 111arlco f foe ·idcn uacation 2 will describe it foe die r r l l b 7 C 3 4 Dales s1amp range 1 HQl-7-000072 aod 73 It 10 my ·eyc r • gcncnl lcdea AM I 'Nill draw 6 your allclltioa co line 21 O ' lb sa ond p-'i e so dlat - ' 7 your cycsighl will go trying lo ntE WITNESS Oby Got it · r8 1 JO A l' 'cs - --- t 'OU _meabou · II carticr 1b 1t l cba't know wtio t is ' I doo'i rccogni11e thc 14 Page 132 I 5 appears to _be a - · 1 7 C - - - r6iJ'h3ve now a·two-pab ·oocwna1t-tml · 24 ' b l x 2S lus bo n nu fui as rJdiibit·36 Page 1-30 y ay Q Spa is·h wwU 6 case 21 bu1 that's why I say on 1hc_surfacc l would no1 '1 c able IO • ugh this·docvmeo tbc aitry ' · · 2 foe is_Cl B s A t is_tk ciiti b 1Y · · J udcn IIC is- t Chat is ibe entity tlPt is pros c ssiug aomb Now obviously io by ' I l now tkil's nol tbc 20 Oby II A It doesn't ldl me anything at all I mean 7 ol viously f bavc buied subscqucnlly but oa the ·•Iii-face 8 chis 19 me could' lie what we've i Uuil aboui as a• 7 and division the docwnenl is a little bit diffcn nl •· ' _ A lhafs a ptffly good ding · Yes Q Aad Wida- that is orcncior sr l ability 10 di scribulG lbc payment lo tl c app op lc · l b 7 C 1 0 10 n idcbat II hat exm ise in lhe room 13 · '' I • ·ouooa·o of - I bad lo put• - so hat I ilot·t ave io · ' · • i ·9 12 ' • · ·'-· · · ·nw wtrNESS vcs- it s·llaia ·f s i-it · · · i ' ' i' '' I· · · · - - · · _ 8Yf l 7KC ·r' l• Q· Loooag at Chat U11e 21 oo Da1a•· ·tamp 7 j is ·• 15 that t 6c c U ' t6at conc poods7 · 16 17 Ia A I Vl'OWd· inly say so Same atnounL Q r lt lyappcantok_yes To l diibit 257 · ' 1 ·19 _same payablo10 die right 3CCOUl t samie description ·_- '· 20 Q Aocf die des 1iptioa bae is i mom cicw1c if li • 21 oo t h e - ii ao additional iofocmatioo iu dlG I 22 lcdgu that l Ovidcs · • aia ·i f tbai 23 paylllClll O l llx lubit 25 ii A No OIi corrc cl 24 y are 25 Q lf yvu bad tLc c dot ts _arnfyou waqleJ to - Page 129'- Pag IJt ' NSA-SEC-14-000253 O J O f 11 Multi-Page™ CIDQUITA BRANDS Page' l33 I wlaal dlis paymcnl WU • ll about ii llic ro aaodlcr documcol 2 yoa go 10 to find d i e to that I 6 ·™ 3 I· ITbc sc doewrmls bdas - l from an accounti scandpoint • sl llldud c hart of ICCOW1 l ihink t is mmagcd in 1GDC way S by ibc DIAN I 's what I' bout Mayt c ecq Emibrt 2S m11 E dll'bit 16 in Ye ba a OIi WC 4 fur ibc entire lilllC 6 21 6 7 lllB WITNESS 1bcn m ighl be Lookiog i lbcSIC IWO 8 domncals cooldn'llell but if I wac • 10 have a 7 9 10 bis CJWD rcconl So I bdon I'd be SlllmpCd 15 B s z l 10 IJ 16 Q Jal 11CJ I - dear oa -dhiag ww ld oa expect 17 a dcic umall Of' jusl tbo a__ 19 A Wc 11 1101 an ling documcru but •B 1t1 U 20 un'1•uay 111 this s111rr DfOUnd in his head so l would 21 crpa ' 81 1•l 7 CJ ould have some - you know it might be 22 1 list R cmbcr lhal I made n fcn ncc earlier IO the fact I 23 dial IIODICbmCS make prcscnu tioos to me about ' 2 low lio had paid so uch such and sw b a group P 1 ilfso 25 10 such aod such IIIIOlb r group He woold ve bad some • • 134 I of' bis OWi na11 S and so forth aod so OIi behind L It 2 v iuld be dal kind of documentary Um tllal you might be 3 1oomg r 4 Q Oby 5 A I wouldn't b vc a p view of what that 6 documc at misht look like Could we go oCflhc record 7 r --- lab n I 9 IO 3 25 JI ll 13 l4 ' l5 ' IIi -17 B r • - ' '- - - - Q Wlla is - Md J wiU uc die 8Cl'OIIJIII fint ud tbaa ru c1o best to proaoaac c t11c aamc - CEA or Comc n io Btttcrior A - a Lio ulld• 7 A l daa tknow CBI-V1-001-003714 Q 'V IK i1f1'l 6 b 7 C I A l'm DOI absolutely cauin but I llunlc I bat he is 18 perhaps oac oflhl in bcfwa n guys 19 DOI CICl1ain of dial 20 likc ' 1 l Q W1io is DIAN D A-N A ad that it •u1 I'm acroaym u 21 wdl · 22 A I • tha11hati tlbe - l tlw l is • 2l the Olpliz atioa in Colombia do gma unai 1111 cxpnu arion 24 in c obnbia lhaC b lndles II swislics and pcrll ps is 3 - 25 I do l'I koow if - lhcy•rc not he flCIUal taxing uthority Q Docs lltls orpaiDriaa aay C1ll1GU A You know I couldn't tcU you I doo't know the struclW'C in Colombia for lhc CUSIODIS authorities 11 said IO me IICVCI' s ai it I • rm IObllyolf- Q Okay Danadcx bu a port facility at Twilo 12 7 11 aboul Ibis I woold choose to hove my dl icussion basically 12 wi lb O b 1Mq I lry 8 iliJics 9 discussion about - aod incidmlally I would ncw c ICC 10 1hctc IWO documents If I wen 80Ul8 ro have a disr ussion but dlCy inlcrf1cc in some way with die taxing 1ulbori1y It 2 may bavc 10 do with - the gowmmcnl in Colombia establishes A Yes ' Q nai r aTuy lakes in imported maraws u 1 IS mpp sl 16 A Tlal'1 conm And exports of c oorz baaams 17 Q Oby Row docs Ca mahiM cmt amJ die - I 18 haft lx ud it called die aatoalimiaa process for imported 19 goods malcri Is uloadcd at this Tustio facility Duadez's 20 facility tKn 21 A Okay Well h' s not 1n IR 11 or ID ' Cllpcrlisc SU 22 let me paint it in very broad brush strolccs for you I ' 23 probably can't RO bcyood dial h'a my undctstandlng hat ii 24 Up0I what lcinm cif Iha you're llllking bout c x portcr in Cokmb • bk I O ca1ain Page 136 I goods into Colombia cwty- rec and in order to do lhal 2 lh n s a whole p IIJat you go through whac you 3 R gistcr the fact that you'ni bringing llicsc goods in and 4 sometimes these arc goods that arc reexported in ooc fashioo S or another there may be addc d value to them or what have 6 you 11ull 's one sort of set of materials and thcfc's a 7 prooodurc bch ind that 8 There would be marcriab that 0011JC in noe 9 typically for • but tbllt might come in oo our ships for JO third parties that have IO be clearnd through CUS1oms and 11 Mies are paid they're impor1td into the counuy And I 12 bcli ve thal - I'm getting into a linle bit or• shaky area I l now but I believe tbal we some goods that w import 14 that don't come in with that initial proa durc that I was IS referring to - I'm blanking on lhe name oi it right now it 16 may come to me taler lhcn 's forms lo be filled oul and so 17 forth and so on 18 Anyway the malt rials come in typically materials 1 9 arc offloaded in the wharf area They're offloaded from lhe lO 'stu ps onto oo barges into the wharf area 21 bccausic there's no docp Wali r port in Turbo They're lala o 22 off of the and mo 'Cd ID a storaF area whc rc they 2J would initially be put in a qrq atod area wbi ch would 2• pretty much be the equivalent of tsonded warehouse 25 Q Aod this is widun Baaadex's racilities Page 133 - Page 136 Divcrsifi Rcoortioe Services Inc 202 296-9626 11 -23--99 NSA-SEC-14-000254 r · • Multi-Page CHIQUITA HRANDS • Page 1 7 I 1-eallr n ut - l' n n aUy n 4 IOLJ_Uy foqili r'w'jdi wlo t tlti I w1 • I can find oul aboul this boc ause cvaybody else bad 2 is aU about if you wantalo get tbc ii•fo• • on Ibis you 2 wcllJ b l C J lCJCrl 10 iallc 10 - and bcn qui booatly Ibero's bbnk S lbat s thc bcsl I cao do _llc cilbcr s id•YO Cl O blk ID Cx be f' MI can - Iii - - b- -7 - C- I 6 l bl 7J C IJ point I was a-Uulc unca uio as·IO wtoc4icr I' nae be 4 ooC for1bcoming_ because - ' t coad0 1ab _in -·1111 i l' 16• simply didn't know what · -was l Just wuo• ••ucc But it L7 was pn uy obvious 11 ar i1-gµing _1o gd Y f a- ' lli -1 · So my rocolia tion is I said· mdbing -' b- -7 _C_ ·7 anoda and you 11 I I p 2• A · l ao ·have not made d CO l iou at _all _ r l S- '· you know a titk ing anc hiciog is su a cl -that 16 uncomfortable mcali° of lbc ' 17 18 you_ i • in the o t Ji or thought he might - '9 I said 25 l b 7XCJ Ilet O C Co if l b l C Page 148 ll E WITNESS Oby wd b 7 C lg ivc me bis 2 opinion And I wait b clc IO - and tJui•was he aid or ihc J cpuva'S lt ion withj bJ 7 C 4 I saiJ' 5 I i d I YfCO I b ick to JCbJ 7 CJ l _sai f- how can l- I said IQ biU1 you know lhls looks like an 1111comfot1ablc 1tansac 1ion 1his· IO look inio I c n't 7· you whcdu it's imp ocal's not impropa- Aiid-1 lhiiilc·· 8 wcnocd lo p1ll'$u 1his An1fbc said·1o as 1 -r - · or golng IO be lravding- 10 1 D l XC 11 -why dc li i't yuu ·caU • 1· · I And_I said ruic I id bota' yet 'why 4M'1 WC lir bfllOW did b D lXC turned out I dido'I 1MD l11ow ii at die 1iuic I goc his r • ' - it ·- 14 voic email sol·ld · avo awlaskinghim1ocaU•aodas · · f 1S· - - · - ' Q I do not laiow if I i n r - jd 20 someth ing raisod y our aotcona__ 21 A Wb u bc ti Jl Cd wo' l 1oms ' · 22 Q Oh oby I · '4K Y 2J A Al dial poinl in timc J 01 7KC lw-a's· st iii 2 I I S I m all s iyir g somc tbing·uoout you know we've got 16 transact in Oilomb it be aa Fa'A pi-oblmi doii'i ' 17 k iiow and I IO ab1 you of this Ancllhal was lhctod · 18 r the cby That · ' m Jcla dJi aid oflhc day - di - • 0 this- th Q Could I p ti u or -m i T · A Swc ' · · ·· · 19 JI do nol W11nl 'Oil io'diicl ·• _12 ca b l C IJ they Wffl -going t o l c n oU _ I my ind J didn't _ e So ·we wen d® b t laad j bK 7l C l' I 9 ' I • thc conooctioi atall him s d upon what you lcnow we have• legal issuo here _ _ _ _ _ _ __ ' 6 loob lilc oudling th t we ·nocid Q Oby ·-· · ·- A lhavcn'l made th it c cn t at a l As a ffill 9 ofract probably jf you CV as ccd nc - lb TJ Cl 10· thing ng1i1 lh ' n•aod the« wourd ' said ufat1 1b l C IS die I IO 75 j bl 7 C _7 8 l2 I don't bow if·bc mighl haw - ii would have ban · Page_146 jUSi-sbclvc d - b 7MC ofa J logical for- bi IO haw id Ilg lO inc about 22 I ay·onc Uting l ·rcn t anber this which an nas v at up ' 2 when he said it He said tlus has something lo do wiU1 · 3 · cusroms but he said •I'm nQt ly 9f· the dctai ls 4 Q Do yo have My idea all bis point l lh iss 5 and lhd b 7XC Issue 3 l dic _ C d ue n aoy Yf Y CC i cti 11 thjng I mcan J - sa11 ' 2 he did • t have aU lhc dclails A 11d I jus1 rcrnc mba say i ·So now have_lhis i an a d bY 'f il wa _lara 2S 6 JQ or- Dy rbe w i y• bc did say ooc thing I ato h did 6 him in $OlllC w y or- I Rot IS But be made somcduog 10 Ibo oct lb at Ibis is • p l 'IIIQII 16 it s around a customs i$$UC that WU 11 ade IO our - not IO 17 customs lhansclvcs bul to our customs l 18 And tbc rc was an-insinuation or somc dwig in his 19 cone dl- lt concancd me Due be _ slill h3dcl't fbdy bid aU · · · 20 1hc Jdai Ilia conccmcd oie bu he alrnosl· SO llldal like 24 my IO 14 al Iba lime bu I clon '1 have• clca r rocolloctioo of it 2J and he' identifying ach •c d C 'a ' •i and wc goi done t goc a - booc sty c·•nnoc giw you ao absolutely cbr answa- 12 • one oo l okl and wc'll -havc to comc b' C l o it Af1_d • 22 going widl b TXCl Ml you mow be pickcrl up _s again I supaficial - you know lhi has romcwni lo do 9 with - Ibis h s something IO do with _cuslim s I bav islo til 10 m Ibis on a k of ocusioas and I simply in all ·· - 20 like hey why oo't -wej l't •ka p going • ygu put Ibis in Colombia Ibey bad - r wba1 bavc you and Iba I was Ibis 6 item v 1iich I 01U$t have dcscn1xd U wbal Ibis wai ocw_h sba waso'1 for1bcoa ti 'e boc4use_jl4rt ia -wit1i l bJt1xc1 Iwc uo tr nsfcm d _ of Colombia So l wmt ia1o b 7XCJ S wsllblf7KCl - I 7 llb 7J C 1 w-1 8 don't RmClllba- wfi 11 pamulatioo Ill COfflbin t I ro'I know 9 if i ' s really significanl Ol llol bi 11 lhal's_• 1114 n lcil 10 you • I I So be sayi lhis•co me And I Ptd or pus biai' a 12 liule bii fiu1ha aod be wuo'I for1hconung Now al that 19 bot n 4' office n11J I expWflC I In him Iba we baJ ba a p oing lhmugh 4 I will give_yUII din c possi ilitics or_wh •l S'liJ ow and •I l b 7 C 145 Pag CBI-V1-001--003715 Tlwl tol bX7 XC Iis 'i11 his offioc•anJ' I So again uiy traYCl iog · 20 the nc xt day 1naybc Chis wu dic'a d or die wtdc and Mi wcic · · · o olloctioa 19 21 coming 10 die wcc lcmJ I· bX7 XCJ 22 rcaUy don't mnc U1bcr but I do n man a that bX7l Cl 2 aped bat I would talk iq b l C 2 • And th '- agaio is 2 5 next day 0 I •oout this the end of die incidaii The - Page f45 - Page 148 NSA-SEC-14-000255 l b 7 C Multi- Vago CIUQUITA BRANl S Page- _IS'I I c n WC IOp r f a lllOdlC11t7 bX7J C 2 I lfwo things b 7 C 4 _rocord is cbr- we an 5 ha ---- 5 ralc we occd lo i vcscigalc oby i DXl C 9 rrou die cntin know And I iriade 1hc ation 6 myself al lhat pawl io· timc tb t it W $ - that ·lbe most II was not oo· 1k n nf and 7 critical tluag'-w 1o·gd vayobjoctivc fact abool wba1·had ll nccum d· and I fdt di nbc·bc $1 poople lo Jo- lbal was d_lC let's make lhal dear 8 juSI --- 4 probably nodiing lo be conocmcd·about· ighc now liut at any I _Th 11 is_ _ight l b 7 C 7 just so lbc guing into dic _ lD_ Jl_7x_c_ J ° · pc ivilcgc ' le icl lod ioi 7 C 2 And I vuy con's icnlKJUSly 'nlhdn w proc a s b 7 C TiiE ESS Sure l I 9 Cincinoati legal group IO So radicr tbaa •sicti - down wiib dlCSC guyi tryiog ·11 lo gc t - you know callwl b 7J CJ ui11g b 7 C 12 ii any further inysdf -I just·saidJ DK7xci ·I Jl -v_ _ --------- t I • i1 J 51_- • l it _ clear- _ l•tbiok lQ'UP Od • f OUgu 'SwiU iefldl ifit'butts up - -_ lalk1og_a t bu somehow - · _18 'OU LS I lilce we noal lo iovatlgalc and I uia - 11 souiJds lilcc · 15 noal 10 UMStigatc lbal was viruaaUylbc end of 111Y 1 6 invo1Ycrnca4 imlil-dic iovcsdga1ioa·h d pn aj much bcett 17 COOl lclOcfaoa WC 1mt'IIJicw what bad bappcao l ' 18 Q tbc Cunc youilca'te tbc rooaq1 aotl is l b 7J CJ 16 llhi$ · 13 is what I know abwt 'it gd And be $aid yeah ii souods ou_wind - Uj lbX7 C I go eol bX7 C rc -_i_n f - - nd 19 l DJt7XCJ ho say we - 've_g • l C 'C li I-FCPA I am calling 20 'OU·· die-reason you 'an _ li g h i -f somc'rc ison l11c _ - t9 lhe laic art oooa mocCiug oa April 22Ad and lbc timc JOU · 20 cvcotually • 1o bJ 7 C k coovasal that you I FCPAjua l S up and I b 1_v _o_ issal'- J can not - _2 1 have just briefiy maiCiooc d Claat you had do you fJ lJc lo h 22 aoyooe bou t this i11ciden1 ·t1 is CW GI this paymeat1 Why d o y me WITNESS -· ' · 23 Thc R PAjumps up·bocause cuslonu bas Fa'Ajump- p 6ocii mctitioned And I 2• am not ill allomc y u 1 I cnow al Jtigh about_ thu so I I •• • f • _1 • · · ' ' A You know ' I would love to ·ca y state to · 24 you dial absoluldy 1101 a single solitary word to·aoybod ' l · 2S dot 't m all having the convasation wilh aoybodY b 11 I 23 · •· ·bc w that paying you now yo_ur customs 81 ffll lo in IW1l l •y' 25 y l b 7 C ' l 4 I - ' i No 1 'would sa _ n $111 000 p ymml is no 1 4 typicully might ai 7 0 Virf tlic morning 7 30 itnhe morning _ · S I wolil 't have -anytiody •talk co and I w · laYI 6 gouai·on a-pbnc bacli to Costa Ilka and you know 5 racilila ing - 'll l lt_ Albft _in_m it'snota · Uy c •i - 6 facilitaliog p i And · I_ 7 just - • £ e· c i -·· th·yo u - gone I i · peel if ··· - 1 - - aod by_ tho way this yi'ncnt daiicd fFJ tat · ve b«n · - • bX7J C i t i i jy •1 baYe II nmkd lO 12 _ __ _ l - ld bav called ll bowu- - - I I _ _ -but·1 bly · oula hi -doo klio o r • purpote was c I · - i u t ' · I IS il i - - thc - - ' l bi 7 cci · bJ 7XC · - · ••· · •• · • · ' ·•' l bJ ck I _qic by voioc en ail as-1 m 11 i iiiust · · 17 have b cm 1 l 7 probably ir established -• actually_ lkal 8 and so focth and so on migbc be able to ddcrou111 Jka1 • · · 9 bl' Ii · io lie - lcl's put il this-w y' I suspttt and I can't ' J nxoo strucl it · n wae lcaviug lhe ili xt monilag llS I Q is oot '1 iag i il fiicilita iog7 'j 9 jtist wam'I time or oppottwuty fo ia Jo lo 1'QIIICbody IQ • OIi ibc·oeha haod -if I dido•c'lcaYe-briglil 1111d · · 'II carly''lbe folJiiwi mmmg·aoo ionc·t odic off'acc ad 12 ia b JXC DOC bc 1cir Jiri -t ·· · 13 this ·· ' as 1· n· - bc r-wbetha 11c wa s 1 dota· - 18 l - - i - - - Thii• · ioo ·• 20 uabs lic -f - - H ve -ijust - 21 22 don'• - i-·a - • i-- i acdariv ' IS mc ao he'd citha- say ga I doR't know « gi c lhat'1 a - 16 guerilla oc gt c r ·bioW ' I ibi'1 mDC111bcr oy of 2 related to I Ida him_wbat m y • mie is CClllSidcratioos d privi Iced - '° n- u 11 If I had nan i a to 'lilai Che followiog IDOf1llllg ih l9 wouJd·ha¥C bocu I must uy « SOive Of aot to exlricatc ' zo 'ii y c I froo dils sitiu ·1 p bly cooldA bave i w d « tiluc wilb io probably 48 72 he and I v r n ·1a1 1ang 23 IM - tdcp andl_rdatcd biu c'1 ' · • -1ae r•· WU bct 3 I dunk I would i'ananlxr-hii saying n g • i c 'b - - · · l7 t_ b 7XC 19 call mt iu sqJQ he got bac • · can't state lhat C 11 IOric Uy I diJA't l oic an it would I 1he c1 1j tt1S g11y is no - you know is no defense i I · age 152 Page iSO 21 yiog my God you know wbai's going oa -And•r 23 S$Ulllpboll_is that I dida' I but I'm DO 'goiagiO say dial 24 c a ·· · ·• ·· · 2S · 8Y b 7J C · • Divcrsifiod -Rcoortiol' ' rvi s Inc 202 i96-9626 11-23 9 NSA-SEC-14-000256 - ClilQUlTA BRANDS l b 7J Cl Muiti-Pagenc Page 155 Pai 153 Q I Afiaj b 1 1x c -i ------------1 I can I ldl you I scfCWQJ up Lgoc die roquo for lbc 2 payma t I goc ii f appnr al ii bocausc I wu J' absoluldy convinoal _llis1 ii was a paymcn1 IO Ibo guc nillas 4 I lboughl ii was just anodlcr routioc paymqtl I didi_l' I ask 2 lhal a-caiag Le did aoC c back tlul Aigbl while J fbcn 7 A No No No 4 s· · l nYl- -i17 x c i_ _ _ _ _ 5 CllOIIO' questions and I up Th 11 was 6 Q Maybi l -a p _fr_um tlus dirc icdoa· 7 O c idc uf da ot daa ha -_discussing i·11·lhe s orllb 7J Cl 9 ocba c ooYa Ulioo · 10 abuuc II I I vcnalioo witlallbXl C '• '• CfflCJlll' 1 p a f A ·J IS' 16 Q - t ha#' one but' it's - ·• 18 say i·s probalify -llb lyt at l'ba_ ·e - i 19 acricatcd m '$Clf f11 111 die ln es ali n -it w U d ooc · 16 rq racalcicl ta liJII 1 lhis - -u aa1C lypc of 17 guerilla pa t7 ·- 18 4 No No Wlial lbcrc was wbal be basically id lO 20 cauie in 21 occasion lo folio ' u 'SOllldhing _ 22 l lit c I you ' WhalCVc r •lied DIC f lo lJ follaw up OR be hit a b nk ll l»ll I '•' _ as 1nudl ' because 24 I did about lbal liinc b_ul e puo vc gi vm Dll a caU ' 25 Q Do I 1111Y- ift0- nvuu1i0C i ' ·a s· ar-i lc d c i2 sum for somcdlill6 •loog chose lilies and I jusr 21 assumption Md signcd•iL That's what be said · 24 2 S • BY b 7 1C Q Did be iadiailo wbcdier be had a sud- aay questions Page 11i6 Page 154 I A No ldon'I ·· •· ' i 2 b Jl1 4 - · · 7 C bolit - CW 19 DU P 7 A Y S l can II aftcz- 6 me clarify-lbaL l doo'I ihc invcstigaiion _ · ·• •1 • • · · 6 _-S·discip ' bui· pcop - -· ' •• • I - • H biaw Cor-e D ssq i_ purj c P Cs ·tbal iadocch oe ··· 12 didbavc• - '_i 'ba ' - - · · ·' • i• • • - · IJ I I ad • GQlmnll - - fhad ·· '· -· I i · l - ·b - • 1·4 C011Ya'Sll wjtbl b l7 C 7 w b a CO be-I daal - gooo_ -f t-P -aad i n his Jc or ··· · ·-' ' 'IO ·iolaVicv«d ·Jc _ 110 7 Cl liiMi - i L 'Q Sittioglaac-luday do havcany_ · · • • i • said lbat llnnc O n I I p1obably aboul it I think I would bave-as ral him ·Id · · · ·· A My' war was lhat bc li tdnit l don' t ranaabtt 4 WOllld have askai 5 R b l C 7 - l y a a s lO lif • ay · · · · • 2 J whclla be cxplicilly _I sa a5C' 1Jy Iba bi bad yd - · -i I about lhc·paJDlCllt1 ·1 i I ·- • J b 7 C Q Do 'OIi' mc iU il 'Y ca l li u d wi - - - S dooe csscnlially net - i ' - I 19 me was somr dwig to ll_lc dfaciof I was-really bwy l blf7 1CJ be put Ibo voocha in front of me I lookal nl it _ I it was CIJOling f was you know oot 111 usu_al migbt 'l3vc cal '1lC 20 $UIJlliSle roe al aP ba l·doa't think lh il be part IJ and·p u-cd of dii analysis onbc·da isioo IO dus J-4 pa 'IDCllf IO CUSIODU IS Q Wu dicn -any n prca atati 111 h C · I 0 17 wouldn'1 - I cH' t r qU ue an uc OC11Si Df b l C A It's ttrf cooa iva lp t 11 - but I · · · 0 ft h and l c an apologiu for him W for anybody 9 else in lbc ptOCCSs bUI J'am my annoyai tba1 he K i2 bappcnc d be usi- · - Taltiog - iC dica And·l Juavc - I can ldl you - I inc an I'm not S going CO 11 bdi YC me bid I truly bdicve lbat lhat's cuclly wflal W ll so - 1h n spoasc 10 upoci 0a lbc OIIICI' hand ao p ulicuw- rea soo for yw • ll IO __ A Sub _ _ Q To lbat 11 ef Y9U cli4 - • iC 14 f 7 -« yoii b ad uy I 6 thal I got froml b l7 XC b 7 C ' -- · •bou this j u 111 • at 8 IIMI 6 - ii - baeg 7 __ 9 A None Ill all None 11t • II Aad I rclat al la YCN - JO lrdliled loJOUlhc •bout-orDQC • b u t·11 die ilKidcac IMt 'NI bad c» lhc wharf and I said' ' 'OU' 12 wba I loob d 111 diis I AJ dd- it would be''ltzY dilTICl 1t ll fl me lo i iiowo actly-n t lbis was bui if bad 14 guess 1-'WO lld bew made die wroqg guess r u w t1ia1 IS 5ql3R OCUS · _' ··_ • · ' 16 17 • ' -· · ' · ' l 'i l h a t ' s l b i p u Q Oi q fcU- wi b 7XCl 16 YOU wcril OUI of tbc lOOID - llb IJ C i oby Y doollO iaVCto - ' A Ycab '·t wanbl to b ow' baiJ ppalCd · ·• 17 I' - -· ' ' 18 and bow w b ow dd° have o c · ' ·j ' · - this being Exhilii lS lhe · and saying·lhis and 2 J evajbody cu sac diat burfor tbc rocool i$_E xhibit 25 21 nm WITNESS Sony Yes 18 r f -···· - _ ··· 19 19 goc- uoe r 20 unfcxtunatcly I doa1 Pl' - -•-bavc· aa 21 al l1liooSly higli -for i · iiy' ond j ' I diiok 22 lhat a- 'a'Ysqvp - - l · · 21- id ao cxtmUicly_ di ficqll m t - 1· 24 'n lievo 1'10 have • II - I • •• • '• • I'm - ' I- b _ · 2s bclpr 1·arouac1 ic1i a -hh - 22 2J p a ' U l m it·up 8Yllb 7 C I • 0 0 Q Aayoda coawnaliou wilh tiag this 24 CIISlomll'pa 'IIICGlf· • a 0 I · Page 153 - - Page 156 NSA-SEC-14-000257 Multi-Page n criJQUITA BRANDS Page 157 lbal I nmcmba- s11bsc p1a 1 lo •U 'oflhis would mvc boc n l and le wa-c hcm11g auctlJing else 3 poopi involm I llS well llS for hi m di 4 ' 4 Q Miil wlal was thac7 · A Wbal WU disciplinary actioal Q Y bl-discussioDs wilfil- b 7- C - J- boul tluic 7 would ask you not IO discll'i 8 A Yes · 1Addi$c1iss'° Uwidl 8 • - 10 A Wliicb was a fairly- signiricaat - I couldo' t lcll -12 · vu cui 1ty l doo't R mallba lbc ts bui it 12 13 13 - • fairty substantial rafudion in- 1111111 1 bonus lb lt he · 4 odiimmc IWJGld He cfid i'I mca DO bonus IS bul·6il lloous-was - he'IOOlc a raunclal 1¥1 of IOIDC Oby ·1 diilii't basc ·lhis oil --· _ aid wft3 bX7 C I If 'OU arc go a bead I waofyou lo be u COlnpk fc As ' lnid il'IO privilq cd in3tailil 11ill WrrNf SS Oby 'I'm noe basin diis buc d·upoa you can i• 20 SOO C 21 discifUiwy oc -llnd we t allcal abolll a whole g im I o If ii' is rot il·i 4mmunicatioo from · bJ 7XCJ and 0 7 C Y ll_l have to 1 is 11 tli n pot1 go' ahc 3d and' $a '•wfllll say · - can 24 wae pracnt in which lhcy·wm disclissing d tls · • · I've had it' Uy Uy b u-i nJme rationalizing ' · • 25 l -j ii was eoliidy · · ·-·Page 160 mind the appam 1 co 1llic1 in itoncs bdWIXG same · 2 of die partiG and pa tjcular y wilhj b 7 C µsc in my own l e so·ru c-him an hliauhc re sboukl be' 4 d1 111 a toaguc lashing ' lhal thae should SOIDl dling lhal lc ivcs a ·bsaii g iaipn ssion a™ho l lhinlc wi sa_id J ·-u boul·lbo 7 and l acruaUy i A I quito _fraoltly was - I was ¥QJ vety C000f mOII 6 i 11 vaj abouf'los dgJCbl 7J Cl JI lrior·wat·a vay v dnable lo us And bad 19 workr d elosd '•witla him 'for--' l·don' ki ow J bX7XC · _ 20 · 2 la • I t I ·i ' IS 16 17 • 18 19 '----- l b 7 ' XC --dQc - -- - l-yOU-nx n-- -tioa---- - - - - ' 2 ' b 7 C •you koow it 22 lb 7 C 21 25 -Page·· 157 _ ·rage 160 ' Diycrsificd Rcoortio2 Services ln-c 202 296-9626 ·11-2j_ 99 • • • • tC'1 0 0I - q ' ' · m 0 24 Sliyiog lhlng 10 r- 0 i E l b ' 7 'xc ' - - - - - - - - - 21 ' I c au' I pnm idKII I dunl Iba w is a s lb 71 CJ 14 iim bcW f'rank Y lb 7 C ' 12 bdlrfs as°1o bapptacd diac · I· · ll 0 24 2S laag11age aoo·I lbat matter-as well · 10 bcn 'sa Y -in the im lhroc mmuccs yau migbt•cay 1o' · 22 up as iaappcan d oa lbc SIU facc l_havc my ow1ud of 2 rro i you a blm y ou-mighrny·ioyouni U 9l bM7l C iidllmchnowa hlm lo bc-wa'absol111Cly squpulolis guy ·II was inoooccivable lo'_ Ji ·in ligatfun was done and· The Cllnvcrs8UIJI kiol place ioJ b 7XC 8 -for Q ·Whal dicl you discu wida lwa ifl Uia • bones -so·proua of bis boocsfy 5 so a£ta 1bc r °l ·•Iler ail ll die olLa' pdtip'le at ii I probably most talb d bin • bout the 14 CGIIClqlr'QOl S- utl b 7XCJ 1- · _ ' · J5 so 6 so forth --_od oo I a tid to uk qu s - abounhis - · · 9 it wu prob al ly- it_ nr p llb ably SI0 000 ·10 aad S QROO ·so il wu ·a good wbact -•boul wfucb' fic • 11 WU ll llllrallf ap i I - o a _liis 118 'l - Jalsv· alkdl giii · · lhis a 4 and so u proc_nising abo i it· dut ii ·maiJi no' scruc lo me · S why doQ'lM rtdUCG his bonu and I think·bc said y doo'I - ' 6 yoa lbl ik abour-that and tnau·a suggcstion and l_ l s oqucalfy 7 did ud Msaad yeah dial' sounds aboutcrigbc - I I Aa'I anc mba lbc aniouae af IIIOCJCY ilawlwxl hut - 12 2J b 7XC Page 158 '•· J 22 1lxn was 4 aboisl al dm son stuJT Md' dtftnui dial· it wu o lildy • _' J • THE w rrNESS Oby WcU iii- hat case I D arendy a moc1i1111 iri which I g lbc c b l 7 21 · 22 lhlap Wclallr c d aboul roting him wc uQccd ali out· 1101 ll· f'iriag bim wc lalkcd about 110 doing anythiilg 'WI blJcc 1 ·1 inappropri 31c to do nothing t · • noe basing ytNr answa oa · '• IS basimg lbis·_ scd llpOII what odlcn -iaid 16 who might ha wbaii' dicy ·ibi i i daado fonliation from 17 it migllt-baw rnQ b C l 11•t linqw- ' ' - • - ' laniHtallrc d • b o u lhc fOI' i bll 7 l Cl 14 11 Q A ad no inod mudl the n duct i«Jl would 18 IS ordm lflr i wciaJcl'110 a mtucuoa7 '19 A It WU a disc us ioa that I bad withj b 7 C 1· 19 l i DJl7 XC I THEWIDUisS 11 _ad b C bc-p as a'-ICiull'of hai' 9 l bX7I C look wilh him J I · · w- - Ibis 'l b ' 7 c1- - - - I 0 ' 7 ' ' C l ------ - - - -- o rprivi 1 I 6 Q Wlaidiw ut· 16 COidiifuDiC'C - a incc ling 5 IDCdiog with - J • die ducipliury 3C1Klll d1 11 - J J anhcre -S 10 i ' j in n lrospa t fromj b 7 C '6· I l I OY't lbX7XC Tii c n w is 2 bat IOOlc pba - I bn Cd dis-au-in cd'tospa t -oby7 J I'm loblfy - an fit al d C iinic but I buncxl ·1' ·au 2 more aroUDd po aiu 1 dw ipli1Qry aclion balb for the odJa • • · • • • •• ' ' • _ ' • - • • • ' • • ' j NSA-SEC-14-000258 CBI-V1--0 01--003719 Multi-Page™ l b 7 C _Pa c 161 Page 163 THc wrnmss In a discu s ioo i j b 7 x c - - - - l I b 7 C · 1 offioc whai l 4 4 bch vio · Ill lhr sc folks i_l wa_s a_ uional oot byl b l C 5 bimsd -----' ' • • ' • • I • ' • - cor-· -· - lisutr r ·il 11 comawnicatioa based Upot lhac p1ivilcf d cnauruiaicatioo _ I do is any way you-can disc s that • • i 12 not k if· r 20 Jlb 7 C 11 sida ible amoWII is ·I 8 what to do w1ttijtb 7MCl 19 l b 7 C I I lb l7 C I A No - ft was ac lly the people th 11 you just 21 '1'21tional wilb lbc c xocption o b I l C d only 2 ma gin I utplll TI c pcz lflk I ·'biow 'speiilh · -lhco d ·i • illy I BY- b 7 C Q Wbo wt cbc people wbo were iavqlvcd iluloi id ing 20 about ly' Lis ii $ _ 23 kind of a poigi aat maiAdc r o·f i i_ w yriu caii 24 wbnlc carocr iog 01hc - t 16 17 j And j · 21 would tell you I I gQOiml 2 '1131 we did 1a l bX7XC The wi s coofcmd willi cowisd 11-IE WFINESS I don't lladcr'sl uld llb 7 C I Lcl•IIIC bade Ill' a little bit hen ll 14 1S · IS · D at-_ y l - basliciny t' you · blk IO aa - v bolc - • ·' fical ia I n ia Ibis process llod hey will 'm succ ifyou•asic dxin 18 Ibey 1Nill'say co you hat I ij-icx1 IO·bc YttY ro c t ou j9 dcfcndiR¥ bi Cj ' 1 a I ·QUI ' doi tLc'ill11C bing lo -· i Wh3r you 10 legal advice lo lb company and Iha« would be privi ·· · • - - 1 II will be mon pn cisc l bJ 7llC 9 simply li wc is a communication wba yoo IR dis4 ussing lbc bow him aod rm V«J v llial chis ah 12 jllSl a 1 al ugly kc around stupi4- seupiiH cbavior oo· · l l die art_ f uo · sinatdai kd guyi woo··· ··· • OOC 5 DOI frl ii THE WITNESS Doesn't fu ill K Ii Bui I do • ru• b 7 C 7 1 8 I mc an look you doa'I knuw hiin lbc •1 eNcr' 9 tta l - foe lflo ihinlc aboo1 lbit'SOt1 of 10· thing skcp y aod so foob and so oo I dut ' discussing - and dla wa-c pr SOll a l numb - of otha pa ple and we waediscuuwc discipliwuy 5 wi WQC l woi iavohm iti mdiag Ibis 2·3 docisioo ·wcn b l l C · · 24 I'm un d b lhlns - Uy utrcr roc ' Lw tbai's · 2S i t that l ·•· bbnlcing 0 11 the guy' s n imc lbX7KCJ I b 7 C '------ - - - - _ _ J Page 162 QJ b 7 C I wliac Ibey d i1Y 1 0 '- 17 C - ---'- I 2 • · 2 --A 1 t DJ_ 11_ x c_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Q Whal fid laappaa7 t did y a lii do ilh -l 4 lb l C · S r - •jbc·ro ucnoc to'ti T - A He was 0° · S C Oi SCX · _ _ · QO 9 A l b 7 C · - - · -- diiii- yoG • • - · · IQ -He was chi rgo I widi llic-lmafiioliom·tllal ·t- ia 11 ·ia c o ombia ia orltD r7xci I ' ·· - · · · · - ··· · - •• · · · • • • _ J ' - ' Now this ID ly- again ruuiofa lawya and th ' ll 111ay 5C1 111 bani io bdievc b111 Ibo coafusaoa' 1 7 C · 14 was- - - · _ _ · ' 7 •• • •·_ 12 r· - s i b 7 1C 1 - U cao not 17 basis of ii b l C X that ilirooiiiiioa if die · - IAna ram ' 1 •· _ 24 2S Go ' ' 1sia1c liM i « infoinb°lio l b 7 C ahead - · _ -_ _ _ - · ' · · ·n r t ii i ' knowing for catiin that lh y Q W all pooplc iavolw d-iadoe ng--hal 8 9 goiog _bappaa _ b 7XC 10 ai lploymmt at Oi iquil i7 II A Yes Aad 1_1 die YCiy tail cm1 of that process 111 · 1i they wmi oa lhc vagr or deciding l v inviltJd co t bat '· IJ wa s I b 7XCI • IS · •' · 21 1 J-IE WITNE$S Okay f e 30 Dctausc r caa ·thinlc of 22 lbc iof bci lid mc roai' a· ·' · 2 JOOd · _ _ · ' •should bar f hi role ia thi l · I would say lhn I 16 17 - ------- J •···-_ l- ·' · 18 ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ '• · ' ' ·· · - · A I 19 qucstipa _if 'l U cao rmd i way IO inswcr•it ·' t -'· io 6 ' r - i ia_rupt - 18 awan of- I U bve it lo 'OU·lo' aaswa- lhc Q Wen lhc sc people involvcd alw·in dcc idi wl aol 4 • -· 11i · C1uauy· rci oo pjcx'lha11··· · ' ' i t - t - - i- 7 cpl liQm ·· ·- · -' 8 __JIAndl 7l I j 19 And wbca hay ddcooia t bk C lb dx · · 20 inlallioo of ioaking-absolutdy aystal clear 10 evcrybody'in 21· lbe room who did 110C nc cc satily bun th -il wdl ii · 22 wasu'i aii issut of dcfc ndiog him aDd ying you know be · 1J didn'1 do Chis or he didn'I do 1m1 it was I want you au IO 24 be vcry-•wan of wfia lb 7 C rm liz boca·with 2S u ilii lhc ponlributioo lbac be awa rn - nn -i - it '• 1I-1 1- QQ Ouq_uita die rage··i61 - r ge 164 I • NSA-SEC-14-000259 I l b 7 C CHIQ t nTA nRAN Multi- -PagclN Page 16 5 Pagc-167· background lhal be comes rmm lii s - not ooly his abilities 2 311d value ·to ·us but U1e-scnsc of ct hics -bonor ibility J that he h ls brought to his position 4 So ii was tl at kind of a - - but ii was - -i MS·· ·5 I mc ao _ ·was no q on about the fact -that I had-a ii sftoog view of tliis _7 8 9 12 • • • bJ 7KCJ ·10 c 1$C · • • • Id bad lo · • •• • • i • Y - I' ron-y I wish could boa littk II - Ul ff ·S i i all Let DIC just iic·' ·· ·· y Iha I it a lJ ri ach an amicable agto mcnt witl1 bil1' on the hand on ·IJ satisfied· had ba a boocst wiih inc and''ii c bad tie 1 lb other hand M re ID 'df in p a r hi 11'1 would say 1- coavdsatba ·S J DCWba somr wlia1 supdric'rai · IS that my advocacy lo squie dc grcc llod was IS ao1t'had lie l OD the - ·wavcbtgtfl io ofwbal • • •i 8 ADd I in mmspa t cookl n d why I 9 frankly I · one thing a nd he was aying somdbi -1· diinlc jou·• 1tudcd·lhis o_o ming·lhal cWTCady be Kight so lo - _ l b C Q Oby A We wae upablc I i bl 7l C 2 J b lJ C w is spcak ing 1o bin u n anp 1b 1 app 11a11ly J 113d _c b ngal- had° app t_ ly pafic Uy cba ngru· 4 wbooc storydidaitjiw witb ibc subquc nt facts I was · S spcaJciag shocml od And lb i lo • · ii pUC lias bl me IO y c liisiinns io what b ppa cd bc ci'usc '7 b iua to x - was ·c ooled in wbk1 1 ·- ovl bMl C 10 iI rim WITN • aoc apc1 •1 iic was uying lbat tbcn 'M Uid - 16 more and more a l'00llgll tion·of what thi sguy all about 17 an Uho kind· of activity that he paforms fpr us vm -wcll 01 t6 ·• - asking ·hkn · j 7 have Clict 18 aday-t y 18 - • · · · · I' BYl1°X7 XC ·· 19 So essentially we did reach an amicable t 9 Q And Y M' iu juml ld' b ck ihc l si r cliii 20 with him and was _rcleascd as 311 cmp o p_ id his legal - io n t f o a ' · · 21' o e lJtat-was negqtiatcd but iJ was 'l li i ' ll e ' 21 ·A Y • · · · 2 framework oC his lcgal·scver moc And his scrv ccs 22 CbXJ CJ l i io iiuke sUR 'we ·cleir · ·· 23 contractecH« as an·ool Si dc outsourced l to 21 was bc till ·e anploycc oc wu he ' ' • • 24 say as an·ot$o ' th 1rs ly - tllill's 14 ' When I b3d dial ati6 7' 25 n ally inaccuratdx catisc his legal functions 0- C • 1Dl 7 C p bis COOYa'S' iioo·you usr ili nal --1 · 1 virtually - almost n n-existcnt basically as 11__ 2 rq resco tali Jo thc-i_odustty ibe kind f ufT lh i I described for you all this morning 4 o y1 b l C s - Page 168 I Or was he 2 J le·· - · TIIE WITNESS He was still a Baoadc x onpii i yer · · · · tb l7 C · ·i Oby · · · · - · hyl'i c i ir - IBBWITNE iS l-'insorry 'jc i n you tell 5 you Yes 1· ·bad '0UD1bcr ·v - lb ii BefOR · -ihc dis iplin aci On s Q V ou ·lwt a e91l'V tion wi Chi bX7XCl 6 me a tbat7 · • 7 A I bad a COOYa'Siltion withl b l C I guess _I hav ·i J TIU WITNESS P ge I 66 · • 4 0 pf 7 liiiit· · · be I w·iliis a 1 vas ·c toing - advocale so' going to 8 lie Clld' wliatltclt· YQU- ai1 L I don' 1# 1 you t J lo·bc·• tboul ortablc a_bou tlA · 9 Iha nol bcamc l'lllcmbarrassod y jti_ but ot di is · 9 I hlld coo lion widli tum 't ccid i I 10 II riqc usi · -- · · _ _I bad a con oo wi b l C Iii wl ichJ · ll l asically said '°'him wfiy·tfid you I ell _-1 hi s - I ca ll oathcaftanooil'of lhc rbX7l C I - · 14 • o ' b 7 C I· • _· _ · • •' IS -• Q So oow w - lauoog·abo ut a l U h ue a t i6 coavi nation ·· ' -- · · ' · ·• · 19 iR d $11pCfficia y- di l jive in 1 nd wilh 20 whaU1e had l o lM l b l C · ifl I ' ' · _- · _ -· - 12 Q let' • stay willl' lhi1·coa ti'oa · · •· ·· ll A 14 H · 116 17 A t StJlmilknt ooovasaJion No he ip¥ j Stiga 18 bas talcal plaQ aacl oow fb avdound Ill what in fact mc'on · 10 - ··l ic · LI · v1ibl 7 Ci by ·· _ · _ _ ' roc Q Po 1911 ha a date tmtT 18 Ttbca it l ·' • · · · · 17 i9 I · 20 • ' ·· _ _ CBI-V1 001·--003720 QTluocoadconvcmtion A 9by • eY ' x7 1 c _-- Do yo duy l a'· · · · · A · 1 kJ low ' onw mlion ' b 7 CJ 21 And 50 I COllfronkd him wi ic ' · · · 21 nm WITN - S R iglit ll l b 7 C lfa cu IC me At l _tif C i_n 22 1 7 C • - ' Jbis ncxl o n e ri 'IO him and n capacity 1VC¥QU spcakillg·to 11b J C 1- ll 'INsay '- QtOW ·istbc - lofaUp iraphrasa 7 24 111e WllNESS px xc i 'l ' 1 ZS 10 X7l C jio · · 25 TIIBWITNBSS Yeah How youn c onciklhis I 0 l • Pag1d6S - Page 168 · Oivcrsified Rwo Scrnccs Inc 202 296-9626 11-1 3--99 • ' ' ' ' • • I 'j NSA-SEC-14-000260 ·· Multi-l'agc ° ClDQUlTA DRANDS CBI-V1-001--003721 rage 169 J I cA llllnC Dt 1h31 you made 2 B lbK7J C Q Oaii you rcmcmbci w J subsUacc7 S A Yes l'can Dud too'i - k f •inc - 's 1k willX Ss cooranxt willl c ounsd 7 bJ 7J C 8 TIIE WITNESS Thai much I can say All fioll l b l CJ me 1 just n1 mak SW'C Q Bdocc w e go oa lo lbc odicn I wentcd lo go b k ·1 You talb d aLoul • 1 w i 1 tu · 8 the' iovcstigalion wlicn yoa said_worils·lo tllc dfoct lha1 be 9 intd you be Ii ad sc n wod 11p wbc a be got Ibis R qUCSt r 10 llbX7 C Do 'QI -lhal ttnatioca7 vccsatioa k D righL Tu1 u1ucb you can say _ lrar o '° ioc _ ahead i I 11 ·1 j ·17 lbiak you J - 22 r°' this tl ii w i s for lba1 so r Dn I oo 25 I I ir W arc ilic rccoru - l bJ 7JIC 6 l b 7 CJ IYou baile it '· Y 911 bllvc goc it 7 l bJl 7XCI y · -But hlli ' sayiag ia- OD '--------' •• - 8 I am saying going forwani 9 ·· 'j b 7 1C 4 5 Culun or IS 17 - ·' i-· · j · as - Tb1 i i toof 'wi coun$1tl • - ' -·· C _ · · '· TJle ·WITNESS Wfm I snob I aska 1 himlbX7 C _ Q- -ibcladividu d · _ 12 wbo U - cioas rtlaiuo tT IJ A doa'I - 1 4 Q Sa i -otborwoccb iC bJ 7l CI 0 · · ofth IS I bcxa_iavolw d·ia lhc tioca acc dly 16 lbc details Ibey woold bavc f OOI lcJ b 7KCJ Ii• lw11 17 18 dida' know Dul· ii nm - M- id_iric -c 1_ 1 isu 10 badn I bar I wisb d 1 had bcan1SUIIC 1hlogdsc 9 finc A i ioag as· C koow THE WITNESS I'm sorry I ocah1 - l'_m fiµzy 14 lo wba 1 - I 16 -is how about it·ud · 8 only$ lb wba1 lie - I jusl · 1 waol lO say i inity didA' l · II l bl 7 CI customs 6 doo'I bow wbcdia be knew all about it aad be 'u st did11't _ - fri m iiia -oby - - ·' · • - ' I i ' ·· JO 1bc privilcgu• coi iiilg 12 wb3 1- F _lbal thc- Page 172 n ot _ Uy o_f tho dcbi in orda to _ uudastand Ibis - I talk IO -- and I gave you _ choices of what bc might hav said And so my an1a111as W 11I up ba ause he mqitionod - -ocd Wlial l caa't -_to this day I •1 ldl you I I c ustolI S _bul l' 11 2 l b l 7 Cl I· 'you h ve it · ··· - Aiid lJ s y be f bi$ llung ead he P311SCS al d b e ·24 llb 7 C J 4 lo laaYe lbc - 21 eoing do - list not a licsita_tioo in his voice _ Ibis wu I Absolu dy Absolulcly 5 80Clll 19 and wb lt I - here• lind f I was going'llirough my mind a ---'P' I ma ' _ ·1 b 7l C oo die rocori17 · l b 7 C iocli be did not A Uc didn' I - be wasp 'I forthcoming with details 18 '- a· · 2 j-ad lie was goiag lhrough _lji bis lid of U lbc pli 'IDClltl wbc 11·be c amc to Cius 011G l - Page 170 L ya I doa 't ta aU it ia detail or -20 I ucan hers baning than off ooc by ooc you know he's jus1 diis · l b 7 C - _IS l bl 7 XCl 19 conversations l ccause or privilcgc asscnion b 7 CJ Arie 20 7 1 b l ai kind or whipping by lban 0 ii 22 and dtca on I do not w MII ii IO iq rc sc nt d13 t I·did 2l not ulic enswc rno io any way on tlx ra oril ·Do 24 you koow what I am saying So fwould 1ikc 1o vc lhat and 25 hai bavc romcbody o yooc side of the table y · ·· I mc aa I IJ a convcna_lioil with bun IO du1 cffc cl Q Wlaca wc rc ldliag II ' carllcr a oac 1o x c1 1s la'f' J I 14 IOby incijust_say bc fo«1J 'OII do 17 · hat I am goiiig bade lo 11m b ut wbcil - do do Ibis I Deed 18 it lo be·c·kai for the rocord that lbc'muoo we llff - k irting · j A _12 vay specific ally bu ' in gcncnl lams I rocaU ving had l bJl 7XCI 16 I BY b 7 C 6 ll coi tioo without tbi COOfall or qal ad¥ioc - 14 as bcslhe ID soc if'itw be 'bcfpful -s Go ·· I J withio die framework or what ITh u is aU_you ClO do 10 on dlC a onl we wwknlaOd whal - arc doing WlC I 'WaDI I I it IJll bslOod bat we do IIOl inicod la vn lye die kgo · 12 Wlial I bave·advisoj b l C _to do i$ IO d scribc i Paec 171 1 you 4 1 b-K7 ii q __ _ 6 9 - nm VfITNl SS _ - 2 I be A -lo you ia sum or • n at is eU you cau s iy l b l l C I w d g b l7XC a lbori - pa 19 · moacyT 19 A llOCwha_tyou' sdri al You'n ·a·sking 20 20 wtic tbcr- «ic c ssaitiaU lbWi C lwas lways lbc c onduit 21 ·'----l-le· sa_id_wb l __ i_l·lhougbt--- 'OU- wae- ts-king • - mc- wa--_s _i_ - l -----121 iryuu_will f t aca -calq oric i _lclon'tdait_lk' jwcr-e callt d upoa·eo_-dcfoid tlw i 11 11 cow't 2211bX7l C n oc ccssarilY as • licy ua prac 2l o law be y dd'auc -h -d w 2J m 1y lave bocn t- - you I me on vittuaUy JI of 24 wmJ with me what b i s dcfcmc- 2S · Was l •· 24 bis stuff fdl iaio bis t ailiwick But ii N'I as 2S nobocly'could f O u sc-of P9licy olbcr dia11' •· ·- - - _ - r _ _ -- __ c - ___ - if · · ·· · · · · •- f'ln'l - o _n '1 C Page 169 - ·rage l 72 I l _ ' 'l _ OO NSA-SEC-14-000261 CBI-V1 01 03722 b 7 CI I l b 7 C 2 ll131 lio c to son of let d ac gd in l t ool 4 wlut·it wat t 7 •ooat· · bmS · •s'acmain biinichy'bcn · · is i 1 iz 111ioa - b 7 C · · I 9 b t7 C 7 8 10 II I l Al -- -- -- Q l b T C I That' igbt So m fooc or them s a t J b 7 C Q Did you c va disc un • wstoau paymc l wi DJ 7 C I I · No Al least DOI daat I aa -m all No J ' m M quitesoo 12 I _ 9 b 7 C 10 H ll' C ' Wliy I organi alioo IQ IIIO · S ll IJ ror US M H 4 foawvd male a dccist011 ga oa wjrh life • 5 · dliags wcncd 6 A I mc an yon wmddn'11hink so bdt 11 k lhi - 12 2pproc ria1c thing - so fo tb Q Olc ay So yoa baw DO rccolloctioa o cn - · 6 discmriag the pccif cs oC Ibis wilhl b l C fo T° Bascd·1JQ you - ·undcnt aDd iag of how -· _Pagc- I 7S I still like lb m bu1 it was clc uly inappro1 i re foc me at fowd l b 7 CJ CIDQUITA BRANDS Page 173 Im- like Q Hae is wfQt is i ·a c 1s i1 ptwililc 11 a iuYC brougltntias lhiag J b 7 c l 2 l Multi-ragcl'J-1 Q My aodcntucliag is daali Ib 7 11 ' c - - - - - - 07 • IJ iatrigwd by lhc g coeral Qlq for lhc paymaa 1n have -1 s 'OU - 16 ·nuybc'noc tub _ ' t ink liquc co go ·· ' · 14 t oca disc ia« bocaiasc it d cs •P oa die i w • 1 S· pa 'IDC DI 11111111W ' was pc q arcd Do you - 16 •boat duit7 T lak· lbls ib 7 C ·1 7 · -- ·· io- l• dla _tiaf ' t • · - 18 Mlllld-beaili dy supposition on u'ijpait ' I don'r'know But · 19 I ia aii w11dcst ·cl dms 'could Imagine it happ aii111 io I just · · · ' · 21 - 8 • b 7J C Q 22 2 24 is o ' bl 7JIC · 21 you and I know that subsequently_ s SlB 000 pa 'ml II was 2 part of lha1 but l'Vl had oo convas wi h •23' lhi9 ru I poio l td 0111 l made DO cqnnoctioq w hatsocva at 1ioui'tliis'pa 1 -jw ' ag·lh c1ime od ilwas king l·i'bb c sp yme 1ii7 ··' A I c11 Cg Wically inaica'tkio diai be aid• · as• ot rici i· s bac'tbc in atlgaooo'dia · 24 die lime when we disc ovaal di' SIB •P Y JICO sp' ' · 25 ans wet 11 e shoo and yet complc_ic is no rage 174 I not mdi ·that he knew in nny way because he would have ' l been sutijoct to the -klnd ·ot tlisciplinary ion J Q Ar b 7 C d you· hive·aiiy same '4 COD tio ·- WI - b l7 C S A No I had 6 customs DO bout llui ustoitis payment scussioos·Mlh paymcn at bast 8 l DJ 7 C Page 176 I· · Q' My qucscioa goes bcyood imt IO I want co'bow wbo 2 was lhr -iodividuahrbo fo - wbatcvcr lh q _aymcat 'i ' ·J 3 off I be seruiliv paymc iil SUJIIJIUI ' Call hc lp m widl that 4 al all7 boJt the that I ·n ca ill l·did 'soc 5 6 b l C · 1 iiic office Cin ti-oa a coupte·· of oocasions A NOi n aUy I mean l'baw what I cold you bd 18 thac slic· Ibis commail aboul hen b og • gap _ - · · · 19 Subscqucotfy I've rd'iesbc d my manoey imd l lhac th 20 gap was something like oo the oroa' of S l oo or I · I A No Jlb l C b nc 1 c1o yoa baYC-any suliscquaat hOI iac lhc Q Oby 8 ciutoms paymc at widal DJ 7 XCI I 'He - _ vc ry aware llilit·Chlfln w lS going 9 A No when 'pn eiscl I' mJgtit tiavc' 90C11 · IO Q 1btt i 'OU c vc r bd • coawnati wi_ i 7lt l l 1 - 1 hll 'aficr wi liad Uk ci1 the · 11 • bout die spc c if ICS of tbc cus1om1 l · 12 - ditcip · ' ·tdli lwri tfui1 't 'wai 'reiillfsoriy ' 12 A Well I'Vvhad • awnl a of c oa lioos - b T c J 13 that lbings bad tumc d if i way 'ti fie J -mack a bad nl b l C bill I have DQl - wdl Id me lhiak •boo rhis I ' 14 mistab that I it was kind-of a'ii'ltgic thing but · 14 waol lo be clear about ii · ·1-5 that'll · cicnt'i Jy had o i Ji6ve with U a 11 - arcal DK7XC 9 10 Clll and · i t° tell you I· I ne 16 _i •l '· • · ·' · '· · ·' • · ' a ii at'id liail ' him ·'and f ' p«habiy did hir ooi llic'ctisciplltia f ili tion r -bacf • mallaoHact was -_ - - •biall -y- - o Jv onoo we bl made 1bc docisiop to- wpJ b 7 XC 16J bX 7llC 17 • 17 II 11 rwxc pX7J C lwc tially 19 takr n I might Jave j kind of rolled my eyes and l inilcd a 19 sat wilb biin·aod' l b i ICnDS a Ml·tbc or·· 2IO h i m « Yi J'·1cno ' 1ilic· sayiitg -what i mc s$ 28-·fu rebsd bX7XC · · I · · · 21 « Y ' -to' effcd ·1 ut-T d'liavc ·· 21 l b l C • · · 1 him hfd• ·22 never sat dtwm with 1xf a 'substantive convttsal ion 22 Ci11c'ia11ati I was ia CinciMati i1 was righl ato tbe · ll or wi b 7 C kfud lhilig t·was 23 time hat I wjd j lb 7I C -•U · 24 iitihatjxr g·aia·funi _ · · · • 24 dG U$$0d 1bcda islon was O l IO µ D o n ' t -· i'iiicix1' g1 1ys I · 25 l bX 7 C · · · • Page F3' Page -1 76 · • · '- · · ·· Diversified Rcportio Services Joe 202 296-9626 11- 2 1-99' · · _ NSA-SEC-14-000262 CBI V1 -001-003723 M lti-Pagc 4 Plll e 177 Q Oby Let' da i l dus w y llaca Uadcmaodl · I 1 you i a- said you had i I ' i11w stig atioa or pri il gal _ wil i i 1igbt 1 away aDd we c ui · ' · • J b 7XC 8 A llic only VC1$alio a lhat fvc had wi111 I l 8 aboul sOlntbody wbo he said bow could they say lha1 I mean I 7 • be was vay up ct wilh-a 11 of _ lhaa but be _was 11 9 it winu'l'truc I can absoluldy cak g lly say to·you Iba 11 tica be would make hose - when he'd swt iolo I would Wc kikl that we bad idcd '1o la'ininati ' lwn A 111unij1b'11 1c 1 IPlll· 14 - •io s on t1ic 1 ab1c A ad 11c Aid dsat he ll'a$G I kJWly surprised but baa ho w l lli d lo I'S dunk about propos bcin mack 'td _lb_ 7_JI_CJ_ _ dJ' i __ 12 IUra offkcausc I bad q ard foe all o lbc se pc q ll aod ldoo'I bclicvc 11w anybody was lyuig I n a Y 'L ' 4 I to'· lliis day uam 111o1ybc buc I liclievc IO l iis4aY lbac IS pcq le WCIC'ICCing -lmaw lipl diriiugb tlicir 'ND_ or 16 f lassira and Iba wu miS4 oUIIDUDieatioGs aud diffcmll 17 olwbat - lu-gd ' bccallSCol•'l'di tt I said 18 of die 'l llg llF barrier Que that is ·lhc oaly Ya S 19 that we IOUCb d ou odxr lbno you know• nk Ood rm out or 16 saidlhal bcf1DC ·bcld udlld nc a tilaiy · J bX7 C dq ' iniaod anlil be WU faoally 18rclcucd ' • •· · 0 f ' I 19 llic olhcr convc rsalioas tmt I've h a d · zo llbX7 C l1b l7XCI I 20 Oiquita and I' making my livu g io·somc Olha way 21' Q According b 7 C faull W this rliosc 2'1 b 7J C 22 · 22 WI paymcilt'l 21 A I thinlj b 7XCI l '24 raull bocauscl b 7 IC 24 2S 15 l b 7 CJ Iwould sar ·it I Page 1'18 ·I lhrt llmc-s·oYC1 cw DCI' oo · i wk• 1 ha go IO I' · · 2 - 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I l b C j d ·WC bwi gol• prolllaa 10 that as being• dcfi iii ·sta cr 0Q n ·i ° i tcc a I ovJ bl 7l CJ Q · 8 illegal 9 · THE wt ft p$S · l dl let ll C rdcact l IQl _ ivoc Uy I II j b 7 C I ollat iUy c sl0p7 A You lcnciw -wh3tcao l'say · lt•app dy b tj lrmi's So how cao hay I can't sex l b 7 C wh Jt 21 appu nt y 3ppciicd ' lt's·mind-bogglitig td i ne di lt ii · 22 happa cd Absolulcly mind-boggling ba awc it's d 1 11 'Id IS - · n bodY -waoicxs' to · 16 bappca e x_ ic c ould fit • oook Y- 7 pc a aad c y Iliac So - it wu·a dumb thing io· I I ihink the policy vay ·c br 1h11 ' - the · · 19 lcg tlitic s oc - 20 21 22 ayl 'b x1 ci -- -__ I '· 24 _for a whole variety o f - ' dwnb fnrancUoi'l inost _bccaw c·il'u viol 1 of the bw and that's dUQ b ·A i l · Q Oaiqw ·• p oy o A Ouq •s anyP O y·is - • i 23 payuimts it· 24 to g o i stitu 23 d al' s OUl o cbai¥itr · And· usc - incidc ody it ' dwnbc · • ddn party -t iluit or · · or- individuab ·1o·c1o·ibings ibaf' ' 2 S wouldo -i n ri l_1c 1odo '' i pcmiit-from SOtl_lC o«hci company •·So hneart it -was - this was swpichlil all ' Violati of the law cbr- • · io· viobtion of Ou quiia_policyrclcar violation of any lcin4- I daodards that I C$tablisbcd you-lcnow - foe these 9 · ·· age 182 I that doesn't get us ywha-c ·2 It's also dwnb because lhal'- w Micln' have to -do _l lhat·IO get a'pcnuit There were l l s of-ways_lo get _a· '4 pctroit in a· pcrfccily lc gaHashion ·As-a matta of fact i · S the pcrntit had boa denied to Banadex wc could•h a vc tw n_ed arouod ·lWO days 1latcr Banadc x cooJd bave sold·lhe L 1 to other company and Wt « tttld have· ·goUc n thc a -- page ·184 I i ·l 4 The witnc ss l b 7 C co 4 May l i111t take a n omc nl' l bl 7J C • · · - Thanlcs l ' y l b-'K- 7 Cl_ _ _ _ r _o s Q Are aw obci r i-1 iati ·6 paymcats 10 govunmcol officiab't°hat bavc ooi iliscwsx d · 7 bcn Coday1 · · · · · ·· ·· · · · ·· ' 8 A Non- i ta - lo rr illi··· · · 9 lhat we ba 'I- 1 No Iii Coloiiiliia And I JO dqn't mean to be u1e 1iu are 1ct' Jiast lain 11 dus bccallSC rtn IIOJ - -1 'tbl wof any·ibat_ are · t •i - I guys lo oil kinds of diooiplinc williiit Oaiqlli a J2 on bu -- - -• -- - i IJ linds of things that they fao widi you all and so fo11J1 a n 4 13 that lits ioro my dcfi11iti0i1 oh facilitating pa 'IIIQlt ·1 i' so on und oo top of it all absolutdy avoidable an4 14 doo'I think it docs IS unnoocssar'y · · · IS It also does ilot fit into dJ-abJtio11 • i6 - you blow they can't even say _-we g 11 ic • p iculadv diat tiu ii4 -· ·11 permit bccauseof lhis We oould·ba g the pamit 17 b 7XC la So 1·am awan · 18anyway So lmean•-mindboggling -- -·· J8of·thiogs 1 _but · ···· ·· · · · · • J i9 l bX C 20 say it is i •·· 21 l·lwould Justl to·c Ja qfy You 19 Q l c·i - - sq' d· - ·· · - · - -· _ · • 20' w t ofiL i· -·c obc i' iiot ll iiag · 1HE wrnmss ·wc11 f•m ·oon a'W U _ l bXlJ C U-rwit 'As you-know one of ll issues is is it ilkga l locally is it ilkgal Ubda-- f ' CPA •• 22 ·24 2$ 21 a I p or y d 22 ti y · ii fana ah iiOC - - -iii olc dia _ i a j riot 23 bow about ltfl ·WflNESS 1-'m·sony You' n utdy_ ight 24 A No l b 7 C -ls dam an ·advice or - · ZS Q tlic a- l b l C Page -11H' - Page l 84 y I Diversified Services • Joe 11-23 99 Rcportin 202 ' '296-9626 - ' NSA-SEC-14-000264 M ti-Pagc ™ C UQUITA BRANDS CBt-V1 -001-003725 Page 185 IAn you awng·foc fac tual l b 7 C Page 187 I i ac-c dlcn aoy utbc - coo aioas th at I bavc IIOC asked you J alioul tul yua luivc had wbcn '01I luivt di scasscd doc 4- S l Ocifics of this cusioau pa y ncot lh at we have boar 2 deteoniootioo ing someone 'C icwcd it and on 3 facts said they are 11 government' 4 l bX7xc - No Just the con tidp-a tioa or 5 the -i 'iSIJC 11 sounds like the issue was oot ev considcn d S discasi gl A QNinly oooe lbat I tu roc ill 1 Q Al some poiot 'M had briefly discusxid Coovivirf •• A Yes was DOC • -pofclllial _violalioii o lbc fU A 'Wi o Slladc thal Ii ddcrminatioa7 ll 11 e wiiac ss c oafc m d n t h - l b 7 C 6'I caca say who m adc tho 14 jY 16 dc aalinatioo but not go MIID die basis for lhc • 16 clclcnninaCioa Who made lhc dctcnninadon7 17 l b 7 C I I do waol to know lhe analysis or U Che specifics just the pcrso11'riwnc i9 l b 7 C 9 persons as lhc case may be I THE WITN I don't recall wbo spocificaUy nadc ll the docision and lhc n asoa I'm being so itant 'is I don I 22 dJW of Convivir franlcJy _as ever - in my mind as m 2l having an Fa A issue To ne that's no mon of an R rA 24 u slic llian a payment to the lelq honc cooipany What to me 25 Qiavivit- wu was a public cclabOOs issue when lhc - I I j bX7XCl Do you know·if considerod 9 tllE WITNESS No I think - l -s P yt-'it Ibis • IO I would be surprised if I issuer • coosidcrc xJ ' ut l 11 don't - I can't «call any din x t blowlcdge of i t 12 considcnxl I lhinlc - you know Convivi g l - radar IJ scnxrl right It _ got on the radar in Colombia it 14 got on die r idar sm x n in Oncianati And I· lhinlc it·would IS licnaivetodunklhat·oooe n•t h e -all· - - 16 -qucstions •tasked and 8llSVt CfCd 11 · · My point is that on my radar 5CJ'Cal I 18 cousida-od it '-·and I'll tell you mething even if it wen i9 a govanmcrit entity oo my radar screen oot a lawyer 20 my radar screen t an FCPA violation not FCPA · ·2 I violation MY more·IJµm a pa_yincnt tQ a S11lte·owilcd utility 22 would be This wasn't Co pay ru organization to do something 23 impropel or to do something not in the-ordinary COU 'SC of _24 bi1Siness or what have you lhis was paying for a scx urity 25 mice So I mean 1jU t - you look me by surprise 7 Page 1'86 I mean lo put it in-vay crude tams lhc question was is 2 C' oilvivir a right wing death squad _Ol pniutioo and the J 4 answt I 8 IQ C-Yivi oc paymcals to vivic did QO implicate or just II the 6 aod·that - 9 was calcgoricaUy it is nol Ycs it is au anti-guerilla organization it is S wickr he lq nl uspicc$ of the govanmait bu it is nol - ltnowlcdgc Coovivir is not a 7 t stitution C k1vivic is a civilian institution io I which die govcrnmeat-b45icaUy said we grant you legal slatus 9 u a eiv tituti9o and ui ' doing an giving YW lcpmacy lhat we woukm'I give to aright wing dc llh squad 6 lo lbc VW Of my I I privikgcd coavcnatioou ud • few we Lave discussed abody 6 'I _ b 7 C io· Page 188 I be cause I never ev thought ofil in lh se tcnns I would· 2 be suq rist d ' wevcr ince - you iffi w p cople in J Cincinnati quite as familiar with - il'sjust an 4 entity righl Co1_1vivii- that's something new - I would have 6 «pocted that they would have asked themselves _all thoge 7 questions and answered them satisfactorily aren't 8 I have no further quc stioos ucthis l b 7J c 9 lime och TIIE WITNESS lo which case I woold·voy 11 so OOI' lldivita of rome i a lnformarhl and 11 · apprcci w jmt making_a very•b'ricf stai emcnt • it s · -12 ccmmn ow atioa and so fri and ro 011 an just fine w°ith w _l 2 Ver obvi the comments dial l'vc made the · · ll coorsc of die day that in Coloinbia we deal in a -vay IJ aod wi this I• Sol oc vtt _vicww Coovivir apq FCPA - fmezn •l 1• mfficutr aa 1 thratc ni environment and diosie t1weats IS 'WOUidn't 11 lve cvro put it-oo' tbc lisc ns an FCPA isSUc I I S po1ct1tially involve American citilCO-'i and Colombian citizais 16 would ha put ii oo the same list as lhe guerilla paytnmls 16 a n d ta bc' n 'IC W Y And heft vay 17 j b 7XC I did oat a o o it to be · ·11 unfortunately in Colombia a lo of oonipcting o ganiza4ons 18 obvious that tbis w u DOI a govcnuncnt ocg uuzauo'n_ 18 c vw moo unf y perhaps some ot llicm are of an just functioning · 19 ll E WirnESS istcn you I might be wmcig _ _ 19 inslittrtiooalmxl and 20 but that's - I don'c dunk rm wroag I n igh be but to me 20- O ltSi k oft law Out the kind of information that we've 21 dial's roy bc lid at the time and it's my bdicl today 21 discussed today in that coolcxt is so delicate thal without 22 oY1 b 7Xc I 22 ov ting it to the extent that_il were divulged ao t 2l Q l d me approadl it from thir diccctioa Do 2J licx amc public bro aod uafacwuately to dtt atai thr l_ 14 POW i -- au • iaaai ci mad somebody ·iook c d 24 it was c ven aoo ssible la the lcioos of orgaoi tiltiOllS in _2 S_ · _lll_dau_ _aod __sau_·_ d_tws_·_ _u_not_ ·_•_g'O¥Cl1UIIC8l _ _ _ _ai_11_·1-'-y7-- _ _ _ _ _ • 25 Colol_llbia that you might coosider to be cntiidy lcgitima c 10 from I vc so some · · l avcrsificd Rcoortini Services lite 202 296-9626 I l-2f-99 Piige 185 - riigeJ88 · • NSA-SEC-14-000265 b 7XC I M ti-Page°' CIDQUITA BRAN OS rage 189 I bc caiisc of the possibility that those oiganizations a -e 2 iur ttralcid we would witJiout question be putting le's 3 lives in danger So icaliz c that lh is is all part and paim of · · 5 the legal process I n alire·you ha 'OU obligations t th 6 SEC to soc this process through I'm oot familiar with J chat mil ly implies hut I woul I makc nay SOoog pb on 8 behalf of the j oople-in ColOCP ia oo behalf of myself as well 9 who travds of eai th irthosc-lwld of uils not b e 10 divulged ancfthat· -dic -facf Cliat arc fovolvod in 1 9SC 11 kinds of payments to anybody just·pa se·not be divulged • l we i 12· ' 1 · i l bK7XC f- you U l b 7 KCl IWo arc off tlic at 1 4 approrimatd y ·1cnminutc nflcr'five · ·i's Whcm lpoii at S -1 o p$ the tcstifuony was 1 6 a4jowncd 1'7 • •· • • • · f - _ • _ · • · J • _ -· ' - · - ·- • 1 • · -· -· '· - _ - '• · · __ - ' · 1 · ' • • - r - - - _ -· ' ·_• · - · ' · ·i·_ - - • · • • - i ' · -· ·r · _1 •• ' -· ·r• · - 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