I eclas sified Case NV # 78134 Date 5782 SECREI S N ITI¥ THE WHITE HOUSE _ WASHINGTON July 15 2002 MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION SUBJECT Meeti g with President Putin PARTIC I PANTS The President President Putin Condole zza Rlc Vladimir Rushaylo Peter Afanasenko Interpreter DATE TIME AND PLACE The President · June 27 2002 7 45 - 8 25 a m MDT Delta Lodge Karianaskis Canada Mak ng ·good progress on Iran a C President Putin I read your letter and had good small meeting You are right I agree we are making progress I have studied some other info Th key_is not to allow the Ir ni ns to generate a nuclear cycle That means technology and equipment for weapons grade plu o niurn I gave additional instructi ons to my Atomic Energy Minister He has contacts with your specialists There is a permanent wo rking group wi t h who m he will maintain contact He is clean He is not involved in any commercial activity We couid estabiish mother group on biological Ask Condi to t hink about how to really deal with both of thes problems As for spent fuel there is so e progress Told Iranians we will no t ship any fuel until they agree that spent fuel comes back to Russia We have signed a protocol with them They resist introducing amendments The President You understand their nature they are worse than the ·Saudis Yo u have to watch them · President Putin As for Iran I had a very tough feefings fter meeting with Khatemi Aznar told me something interesting Aznar told me about his meeting with Khamenei He said inst ead of saying hello h e ·just loo ked at me we will eliminate I rael are y6u one of our enemy A nar said he was astonished Closer we work together the better Gives back tapes about caviar extraction SSCR 81' GEHSI'fIVE Reason 1 5 d Declassify on 06 2 6 2 012 NW# 18134 Docid 34685212 ·--- 2 The President I loved the film Two quick points on 10 10 we are in good shape we are conterit with our relationship I think you got what you want Russia can decide if the project new or old goes fOrward President Putin Problem is this we are·being paid we should be happy we know · But the guideline part of the text says we are appeasing the guidelines - Says -- guidelines says new and modified proj cts doesn't say what modified means It says we need to provide diplomatic protection to all who work I asked the Canadians the said only State employees I n genel 'al I agreed Then I agreed on the text but it doesn't say that it keeps it vague That could appoint anyone I was a spy they won't find anything But as for civil responsibility that is a different thing These are dangerous ·weapons We can continue to discuss We are saying let us apply uidelines to riew projects Well you work it out you have made progress The President Pl 'esident Putin · The President any thoughts We do·welc6me the guidelines Two other points td think about BW We did better with biological weapons President Puiin The Pre ident done · Asked you During Soviet period sophisti ated work was President Putin the scientists I am not coh erned with materials but about The President D o you hav a good handle lot was developed during that time I have been told a President Putin I have instructed an inventory and to centralize it We have good experts Thei say1 the anthrax was manufactured in the US The Piesident Georgia - I know you don't think Georgians can do the job · They are pe t rified of joint operations President Putin We will not insist The President ·They need to go get the killers 8BCRET 6ENOI'1 IV8 NW# 78134 Docid 34685212 ECREI SENSIIIVE · President Putin 3 They won't The Pres i dent Let me · push hard If they don't go ge t them we can figure out ho to get the Al - Qaida killers we want ·them dead · My worry about Georgia is not about your g o al - We are seeing all kinds of talk abou t threats to US and Russia from that area We have an obligatidn to help you fight them off President Putin Everything should b e pried and opened We wil l n ot make any mov ent on their territory But if the activities force the terrorisis ·co go to our territory we will not wait We will hit them in Georgia The mo un tains are very high If they get over the mountains we wil l not catch them We will do oui best to avoid thi i situa t ion b t if we see th m moving toward us we will strike I have issued an order We are deploying troops to b16ck the border Th e Pr e ident Presid nt Putin The Preside nt C Do y ou have eyes on them · Yes How many · President Putin 2 3-50 Happened a year a o - they approached within SK The were moving toward · Godi not out o f Pankisi We will try to avoid it They are not inhabited areas As for Georgia we will not use troo ps We want ed t o but wil l not We know the houses where they live· · The President We need to dev elo p a plan One that you know about We ill develop jointly A plan that will tell the Geo rgians what to do Maybe they can't do i t but we need to give them a chance President Put i n trafficking The President They wi ll not f i ght they are linked in drug Let' s call Shevardnadze's bluff Pre sident Putin Suf ficient for us to have coord i nated activitie s so we know what t hey a re g o ing to do Last t i me we learned about it at a late time The President We need to work at thi s together Thi s is a very g o od chanc e If Ge orgiaris c a n't do it we will try · something · else SECR I lBNOI1'Putlii NW# 78134 Docid 34 85212 SBCRE 3BN I O President Putin The Pres id nt the strategy 4 We wi l l not go ·to their territory We wil l be in constint contact We cati der ive President Putin One quest ion · on the Middle East We a re r e a dy to support you · in principle We had special r elations with the Arab s and Arafat Very· hard to jump from one p os ition · bu t we thi nk they need some· fresh blood Therefore Secretary Powell should s tay i n· close coritact w Igot The day before your statement I had a p ress conference I sai d we c ouldn't r eplace h i m Igor a nd Powel ge t along well 25 questions wer e asked on financial task force on money f aundering we have· • iinpl emented a ll of this The Preside nt We will look i nto it End o f -Conversation SECRE'f S M Ii L •E NW# 78 134· Do c id 346852 1 2