C067038 1 8 1ED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06703818 Date 10 29 2019 Wed Dec N 3 10 38 19 1997 STATE 226494 D COPY 6 OF 13 Page 1 OF 4 PTP1026 SECRET STATE PAGE 01 ► N @INFO C 01 G O1 SS 01 @INFO SWO 00 226494 PTP1026 RELEASE IN FULL 031529Z DECLASSIFIED D 01 DRL 01 E 01 EAP 01 NSCE 01 P O1 S 01 SP 01 SSO 01 SSX 01 031038L DEC 97 JM TOTAL COPIES 013 031531Z DEC 97 STePS TOTAL COPIES 000 ORIGIN NODS-00 INFO LOG-00 CCOE-00 OASY-00 000R 226494 KODAKB 030017 SOURCE DRAFTED BY NSC SKRISTOFF JST -- 12 02 97 7-6803 APPROVED BY EAP CM HLANGE S S PPETRIHOUS S S-0 JNCNAMARA DESIRED DISTRIBUTION S D P E C EAP S P S S 01A110 031533Z P 031528Z DEC 97 ZFF4 FM SECSTATE WASHDC TO AMEMBASSY BEIJING PRIORITY S ECRBTSTATE NODIS 226494 DECAPTIONED EYES ONLY FOR AMBASSADOR AND DCM E O 12958 DECL 11 25 07 TAGS PREL SENV PHUM CH SUBJECT MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION WITH JIANG ZEMIN PRESIDENT OF CHINA U 1 U Classified by Glyn T Davies NSC Executive Director Reason 1 5 b d 2 U This cable contains a memorandum of the President's conversation with Jiang Zemin President of China on November 24 1997 1 ask that you not permit copies to be made of this message and that you not bistribute it outside of the mission's executive office 3 Memorandum of Conversation U United States PARTICIPANTS The President Madeleine Albright Secretary of State Charlene Barshefsky U S Trade Representative Samuel R Berger Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Sylvia Matthews Assistant to the President and Deputy Chief of Staff Daniel Tarullo Assistant to the President for International Economic Affairs Gene Sperling Assistant to the President for Economic Affairs James Steinberg Deputy Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Larry Summers Deputy Secretary of Treasury Sandra Kristoff Special Assistant to the President and NSC Senior Director for Asian Affairs Notetaker ' Vivian Chang Interpreter UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06703818 Date 10 29 2019 C06703818 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06703818 Date 10 29 2019 Wed Dec N D 3 10 38 19 1997 STATE 226494 D COPY 6 OF 13 Page 2 OF 4 China Jiang Zemin President Qian Qichen Vice Premier of State Council and Foreign Minister Wu Yi Minister of Foreign Trade and Economic Cooperation Teng Wensheng Special Assistant Li Zhaoxing Vice Minister Ministry of Foreign Affairs You Xigui Special Assistant Qian Yongqiu Secretary to the President Shen Guofang Director General Information Department Mei Ping Director General North American and Oceanian Affairs Department Ministry of Foreign Affairs Zhang Yesui Director General Protocol Ministry of Foreign Affairs Chen Jinghua Deputy Director General North American and Oceanian Affairs Department Ministry of Foreign Affairs DATE TIME November_24 1997 12 45 p m AND PLACE VancOuverT-Canada N p - 1 30 p m PST _ - -G1 The President _ There are three topies I Want-to --- address First we -are extremely pleased With your visit I look forward to my-return visit to China- next year think you did a good job making the American people and the Congress understandlthe importance of our relations L S4 I also am plee'e--d China has made a - new- and' significant WTO proposal I want to move forward quickly and suggest our trade ministers report to us on their further talks by the tirst quarter of 1998 1 will stay very personally inVolyed in this issue am sending to the Congress my certification on the 1985 agreement on - peaceful uses of nuclear energy This should open the wayfor us to do more things together 1S - We discussed 7t4e Kyoto conference-in Washington The ' United States Europe Japan Canada and other developed countries are commitlIeed to adopting binding ta-rget-s to - reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010 We also agree that it would not7-mbemfair to ask developing countries ' including China „t dopt such binding targets r-It-is-an open question whether there is some way developing countries can parEleipate in recognitionthat this is aglobal problem itw gannot be solved if only -developedicountries are in-Val Crdd We need developing countries to participate in a w6yzthat does not ask them to sacrifice growth Our approathr- suggests developing countries adopt- a different set oftgo aIs and includes a system of joint implementation InVeStment and technology will flow to' China and some credi't- will go to the country financing a project in meetingats emissions targets This is'a way to approach a globalproblem globally without asking - ' 'developing countrieSto sacrifice economic growth ' S I appreciate Very much the release of Wei Jingsheng Your responses to press questions have been received - favorably I hope- you can find a way to deal with- similar cases such as Wang -i-Dan this would be very positive I hope you can join the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights—Having a systemic approach on human rights is consistent with the strategic role you seek - As I have said before -I do not seek confrontation on this issue I want to avoid one issue being taken out of the context of our overall relations I don't want this issue to be blown up in the press As you know there are some differences of approach on Iraq Saddam said he took his recent steps because he is convinced the United States will never agree to lifting sanctions That is not true But sanctions should be UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06703818 Date 10 29 2019 CO6703818 FIED U S Departmentofstate Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06703818 Date 10 29 2019 Wed Dec N I ► 3 10 38 19 1997 STATE 226494 D COPY 6 OF 13 Page 3 OF 4 continued until there is compliance with UN resolutions The United States does not intend to insist on sanctions for as long as Saddam is in power I also sympathize with the suffering Iraqi people and I want to finds ways to relieve that suffering But it would be a terrible mistake to give concessions to Baghdad for its defiance of the UN It is the only country with weapons of mass destruction that has used those weapons It could put such weapons in the hands of terrorists drug cartels and international criminals We need to be firm and I hope we can work together on this I am trying to work with France and Russia and I spoke to Yeltsin on this recently Again it would be a mistake to send the signal we are prepared to walk away from our determination to stop the buildup on weapons of mass destruction This issue is important especially this month as you chair the UN Security Council President Jiang We are already old friends and have had six summit meetings My visit to the United States was very successful and was regarded so by not only the American and Chinese people but by world public opinion as well I now look-fOtward to your visit tip China Through our joint efforts-we can make your visit fUllY subcessfur 4-S4- Now that obr7tWo trade ladies have had very good exchanges they shoula continue talks so all- issues can be resolved fairly soon-1n the coming year I appreciate your personal and positivezinterest This is very important I also welcome -the start of the implementation of the agreement on peacefaT Uses of nuclear energy 7 1 17 I majored in-electrical engineering in my third year at the university in'r945 and 1946 I read a book on steam power engines that analyzed boiler gas burning technology and described the process of emitting carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide r-did not realize then the significant impact such gases 1461-nd have on our environment today Weagree on the genera17 direction needed and I want to worktogether to improve the environment 4 s4-- But I am conterned the current amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmeiagere are the result of long term accumulation For-- --a4liOng time capitalist-countries in the West had greater 16VETs of carbon dioxide emissions than developing countflesm This fact should be taken into account DeveloPfaig7c-ountries however should not adopt the attitude that 1---t_ -srfs now their turn to emit they ShOuld not do that We sheu--1-d work together to reduce- emissions I appreciate your pdIfft that developing countries should pay attention to envTFonmental protection and at the same time not jeopardizeitffeir economic development The developing countriesreally are reguired to support and efforts on climate assist developed coUfftries in initiating change We need thel _Ochange of investment and technology to speed up our own- 0Vironmental protections efforts There is a huge gap between developed and developing countries in enerV Odnsumption which results from differences in living -_standards and excessive consumption It will be difficult - rfor developing countries if - uniform targets on emission$LTreductions are set 0 -14 The President There can't be uniform targets In the United States -we have available technology which allows us to get the'-same amount of growth for less energy use If we can transfer technology to help China and not slow its growth rate we could have the answer toclimate change No developing country should be asked to give up future growth We need to find cheaper ways for developing countries to protect the environment and maintain growth levels -tsr President Jiang There is not a large gap between us in terms of general direction We already have cooperative UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06703818 Date 10 29 2019 C06703818 7IED U S DepartmentofState Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06703818 Date 10 29 2019 Wed Dec N ► 3 10 38 19 1997 STATE 226494 D COPY 6 OF 13 Page 4 OF 4 projects with the United States to replace combustion engines and gas turbines with clean coal generated energy -1517 You raised dissidents and Wang Dan In our October 28 White House conversation I said you should not play up this issue in the press as that would not help resolve it So my answer to earlier shouted press questions is not just diplomatic parlance These questions must be decided consistent with Chinese judicial procedures The central government large parts of it has no say-in these matters which belong to the judiciary So the Wei question is resolved I told you Wei was not somebody we must keep in China or that he was someone we can t do without Today you raised Wang Dan His case should be dealt with by the legal and judicial procedures of China 454- On my way here I saw a placard with the slogan Jiang is a tyrant It reminded me of history lessons where I was taught that the first Emperor of China was a tyrant Am I now an emperor No I think I am elegant don't you The President Yes I do N 4e President Jlang T I believe conversation between leaders is very important As I said this is our sixth meeting every meeting we have had has brought our people closer increased'our-mutual understanding and-removed some misunderstandings --14H- The issue of S fgning the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights is being seriously studied China takes internati a1 agreements seriously and we must study agreements to understand if we can implement them We must keep our vord Ionce given therefore we study closely internationalLagreements before we sj gn on to them A11 along I have hoped Iraq would comply with UN tter would be resolved gradually and_ resolutions and the in a peaceful manner TI also share your concern about the I had received your suffering of ordinary-Iraqi people letter on this issueTiust as I was meeting With Yeltsin in Beijing I belie-Ve ou-r _ attitude toward this matter is a positive one 4 0 444 I look forwardLtd your early visit next year You surely will be warmIymreceived But I am not so good st golf 4 33- The President We can play golf anytime but on my first trip to chibirghere will be so much to do and see wish I did not haV6T1t16 sleep _ • 4 S1 President JiangilgI have gotten golf clubs as a gift but I have never-uSOdlthem I don't belie t7here will be many difficult issues • this year at the APEC4 meeting president agree but we need to signal our strong confidence -fiTahe economies of Asia _endorse the Manila framework P - M-ds for economic reform and adopt the nine sectors for _trade liberalization APEC can draw us together and I believe the meeting will be positive Thank you President Jiang Thank you U --End of Conversation ALBRIGHT UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06703818 Date 10 29 2019