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SHE IS ianucnced by th m ut that oesn't mean we shculitry to av i this cor trurtivc criticism TEat wnHId mean way 5 the highs Flee we E575 b iEt my for vears TEat 's-a 950 H 1 71 I c 3r1317 Jinmen 14- n - L - LLAU hat errort to stifle Q53 ent totE1aw n35 taut cue nut hEn was a Pea 'y bitter ba4 Id k l -- IS 68 note In how it rag escrid to hl magically he 0 uld cuit to his 1P0t s' but Enen tEe dove voice Haul be jene fro 11 ve been nartici r93 for what Ear be take full re mnsihillty for to how mus together with Cu ea -- that a great nucl a power ca exe ciee man war is a con r011 apolication of 6 re gettin mg a lot o oree1ce at 19 09 3 r1 1 31 INFLUF Ct CR 323 -- You'11 have to ask 1 tle Fvesi cnt 21 wt nv in I t71nK our 901 0 1 his hero so crate is iciezate and will be erete in th 1 3on't e r'e With your infe7ence that the far tzinkfact that Vi ne m in the lonw scheme of thle s i- hing 1 1 The 71 6 Sell you know tat I ve 2513 01 5313 tEree 1weeksago that it is al 1-a a balercing of gains aeainet a1 all the ig 1 activity since I talke aoc ut 907b1ng the 7 I interiected VF ecrctary from the outside it looks like Von e eve ruled -- 11 activi 1e 11m-r the modera Voice 1 l'm not o nf to tell you about Presiiential deo1sions 3ut let s go Heck in time a bit I was agains- bomb 1ng 1 116 3'1 Eltes I argue that Lidn't think it as ort1 the risk the SAKS were not bothering me that much e11 all r ht it was d ci e to give tte oilotsg oermiseion to bomb the SAN sites 30 look What haooened e walked Ento a trap They set us up beautifully e went to Jame the First RAH site an we lost five planes doing it rive olanes -- and don't you orint this but went 7ou to un erstand how it looks from wheVe I sit one a ack 2e11 we've only lost 40 olanes to 331 all told tc date 7hy should I lose five elanes in one rai I th1nk in hindsight I was right tin 7-7 '7 you the as f1elds were the same want to nitr y th hing It boils down tovwhether you 3133 in the air or on the ground e've knocked down 40 H gs in the camper e to l we Iost Is that enough 0 a Lhreai to risk losin 1lanes in hiV i ng them on the 7ro Look vhet ta ened when we aid bomb tle fields lost thre- 31P11an9377three n1anee comoare31 the vhcle war 13 that a 9006 trad off 1 7 6 Ion print we lost lhree ha t's completely the I thinx me 've 1n1V to becau the arch ano PESCJS ien' ove for the third know they know they rot two I'm 7 onsible for lins an Vlanes Hy swoul 4-1 A lose 117ee a1r01a1cs T 1 r111 21174113 17 17 10 77013111181 130 Air 113 3709 1337383 ha 111 we 311 the 1elr3 n111n have been hit at once i at a11 1% if u'ne 907n7 to take out the fields V0 em I Jon' know what the geerraie are teizio you but the truth is that the Joint Oriefs rec titt ng tte tvo we hit they iidn t ah ant to hit ill the fiei e at once bed the reg son is h'1you h ve to have one bomber for every Jig1u hangers the ground They didn't want to do that ask for he 0 it then C 1 il 1 take that you nk igr raid then was mc erate more of an eF90rt to cool taem off rather hen knock them outnt 9he 1g activity teaoed up so we it two of their fields 6 have the never to 30 it why shouldn't we 7 -his m'2tedly sounds ambivalent out 7 think he was t1yinr to portray toe fig raid as gradu I escalaiion rather tI en forcinw confronta' ion With China I came away ferling it may oe a Ion tie oefore we hit the other Jig fields I 'a e urnrvet1 1r1u ly re 11 at and I feel sure the loss of thre lanes stre n_3 themed 's hen next time 19113 0010 up Li 1111 J 1 1o11C HA RVA ON FPHRIEJ Eostcw knows the 11mite ofb was in on the aorld or 2 bombinj don t believe half of e at the Air Force tells 1 CH are 1'4 re 11 o 71' 1 on That absolutely never talk to any individual under any circumsiancee about Ereei ential ccu dn't believe moreetrongly in he qLneed for unity of action and supcort fever once eg khrocen ttis rule No one is evv r nq to be ablep 10 Sinnle ine tance where I arw v a -edge into the a m lftPu-10n ei ther under Pres 1e11t a ch ace o rive my ooinio n and jive it 5ut once the Geo sion is mane I sup ort don talk vith any Senators in orivate except Sena or rennedy And even wit 11 I never talk obou r idential decisi re 6 are 500 fr'enis out I don' 90 into decisi maki ng least of 1 WI Dob It is abs qut ely ir conc ivaole to me or anybo 01 '1 n 1 J 0 a OwS we th3 031% w--Tn tOP to 8083K out ag h dent's it is true some of them take Hy vier and ex cund on t_hem as is certainly orcoer after aIt the 1 e I slpend i ing #5 Views on tre ex- of wwy ve'rc not heroin ce ain tarre ets are certainly enaila-1le Vto tn on edy or un r ident Johnson I almavs hav 4 Vi -- Tnat's always un I non t think it 50 any taliinr really of minim mle nenbon not ombing it Dut 1 thin these tt1' s axe unler onstre nt fevie I AI K13 We have hit some if these navicatio dikes ut as as the irfigntion ikes the ones 3 a mean when'they talk about bo thing the dines Son't know of anybo y in any senior oosition of this novernment who wants to do that rat of d_l dikes are nard to kit fhen you have to make an awfully big hole in em to do any real dana e W1 then you can only bomb them hen the ater is re not out to In riunish the peoole of orth are hit inc milit any tar ets 'e re trv nj to out of their 100d 3 C Jiozu Youil a e to get the guv up here on your sheet who says I'm a mxinrate to talk to the guy onn here who says reallya them fight it but an Eou' re right that Question docs belong at the bottom the list IKTCLICIEZD -- bers is too' much cmwnaiis 0y everybOGy on the hon Din at is only one part of the can 't man blame me for killing l 0 men in one week in 301th any -dy taLks about is the bomb is all out of differences are a ll out of oronort you count the 30 000 aortic 5 VIC fly an teen 1i one how many we would fly dif Pent there it only a small iffet ence of if Le ay was running 1t to rist eke it tonl n't too much the bomb ing is all anvbo seems to at think about 7al auout or write looking it bouth irtnam lnat is he the main war is Folemara is in to con 6 as any inn breakin the will 0 tanoi is the key to Hi it too erens ive for them to think it is worth ning is real closer to What he be ievss So I think his no nt is that this oersuasio of anoi must come from not just the nbing but the fithting n the gr nn an the aoifica ion Jnosn com1 ant newwine you -sn 71 Renators M pht thir there is t1m ecn clos inc ainhong aha more US ust isn 't the tvo hinEs ave not 1r ronnY 9000 GDYE 1 171 mara for a fleetinr instant 10 his looked aside down at t e rug then ouickly a 31 back an said some day 1 tell ou how ut the war oersonally But not to ay                     National Security Archive    Suite 701  Gelman Library  The George Washington University    2130 H Street  NW  Washington  D C  20037    Phone  202 994‐7000  Fax  202 994‐7005  nsarchiv@gwu edu