- i n' LJL- Harder interrieu'witu Hoary Kissinger re wiretapping 14 11 1973 Harder reads CaliLorne lead K The first thing to remember is that Ruckelshaus doesnt sai I asked him to wiretap I exyressed my great concern to toe PL director abo tue security of calasified information I found an TEE man on duty to tue as anviser tnereis no doutt it is true eXpressed my concern to toe PEI alout making sure we had adequate security and to be sure there would to no unauthorized leaw 7 of information were eonducted by appropriate-authorities some organised by the PLI on tne basis or security files they had some from lists of those who had documents'thst were being investigated reorder lede on story says initiated wiretaps K That's incorrect You cannot report that from what said and it's also incorrect the 17 taps were cumulative Harder two were for as little as 30 days and one as long as 21 months K It's totally incorrect to say initiated that dont think ee e Harder Did you ask for any wiretaps K It I remember that conversation tend then he said somethin- like it was not the nest important thing in his life it concerned safeguarding as classified into I did not ask for wiretaps or any particular nethod of inVestigsting Harder Did he suggest it_ meaning did hoover suggest taps K I do not raxenber that conversation concerning any individuals files were not kept in this some wiretap reports were coming to no individuals in my jurisdiction or individuals with documents in my Jurisdiction in the early part of the administration ncrder Did 301 have any oonpunction abo the use or wiretapping K This is an estremely complex affair and if it were not mixed up in watergete it could be seen in s mucb clearer cause of i don't in my Jurisdiction was dismissed be want to -et into the human aspect with every individual engaged the public H - add 1 - marder kssinger - wiretaps Hey 1h 1973 3 Harder Your statement eaturday created the contrary impression that you wars unassociatod w th any initiation K nothing Huckelshaus said is contradictory to that Murder The time would seem to dave wore relation to Vietnam than salt H yes and otncr problems the iddle East Korea Aerder involving L37 a ate K That would be my inpression tut since I didn't e11 i cannot judge 1 did not the taps end after some period 1 did not receive the reports e Herder was the information helpful did it facilitate any 0 K I discharged no one nor transferred anyone as a result order Did it result in buttoning up any leeks what weIre going to need is some kind of in description from you K any should it come from me erder Ruokeleneus said you initiated it K I did not it was utter a conrereation with my object was to save classified that was my do not think Ruckelaheue said I asked him to do any particular form of my conversation with J Edger noover ooncerned safegoarding of information end not the iniation of on particular form of investigation Murder Yo did not request wiretappihgf x I think the first stetenent nukes it clear Herder what Ere your views if any on too use of wiretapping on officials or new-men Do yOt have any second thodghte about the process - K I have said whet will I will stand on Hunt I've done union i believe will stand both moral and le al end it is simply incorrect Harder Your views are understood to Le that it started in Kay 69 at a particularly sensitive time when issues concerned Middle Fest Korean diplomacy vi add 2 - murder-kissirn 5er uiretepe Hey 73 5 I-ierder alt came later 3 a K Jalt was later ya Harder fhet you were not involved in determining the of time entry 1333 or placing the K quelify 1n the eenee tnat it is quite conceivable mmtere of my staff gave name on my staff of persons who handled pertlcular documnte Herder this essentially from your standpoint en attempt to demonetmte the bone ride of qux- can start It you want to say this on your own that tail was one of the motives you wotla not be for wrong you cen assume Mort helperin wee 23dcj eterf beceuee i wanted to persecute him nor tut Hort wouli feel he was not taken care the neuemen end of it was not in my jurisdiction my tnve stimul ted it but the eubjecte were not determined Merder by eports were cut off 1'1 terrified eomeone will drag out one document thet floated through my office but eoe'etime in '70 or earlier 13 erder - the beecher SALT thing wee later in 71 K Gerry Smith naked for an FBI inveetigetlnn of SALT leek until everything can be in its right perspective I don't even exclude some names were put on the list for inndlin classified inforvntion Nerdermee there any of wiretepe on newsman Lrandon Everyone mucus in ermdoz was a close friend of mine and I was on the phone with him i ierder was he tapped 60m of the reports s raid eons of the wiretap reports were goln Lack tu me FA and 3 - murder kissingor wiretaps fay 114 1973 murmy urged Henry to call back if he wanted add anything particularly on attribution About half hour lator Hoary called I ack to say For your reflection andn at for any attribution 1 Tho idoa that has inatigator 01 it -- how would it explain that tn files were in Erlichun'a offico - 2nd by con idorin_ tho fact that corroctiy or incorrootly my stuff was considered a vestigo or the prlovioua pried it would not follow that my meant 170 was to get 3 at in tmutl or 00 ardor If now-non were instigated Erlictnar unldom or it would be clear K 1 more requests initiatod was in terms of concern about the security problem I can just tall 30 this don't care wont Hucknlohaua said all the mar so since I haven't seen Murder Jh'o hero other in APDA Pentagon K I dont think so to tho belt of my information I ovor tho Hook-ad this is the total govt nunler as for us I know Mardqr3- was tho bulk staff - he left tho implication that tho totality was in Mt staff plus newsman K Tut's much too swooping Pardon when thia process was coznplotod did it not recur K before it was completed I to longer a received reports Ir it started again 1 was unaware of it Mord-1 L1 detectors in stat K I did not permit my staff to take them A y subsoq tap 3mg In unaware of It in o vious the plumtnr on hm done uncut-sham31 x                     National Security Archive    Suite 701  Gelman Library  The George Washington University    2130 H Street  NW  Washington  D C  20037    Phone  202 994‐7000  Fax  202 994‐7005  nsarchiv@gwu edu