MEHCON MC A PHYSICAL PROTECTION SUBGROUP DATE September I 1992 PLACE The Ukrainian State Committee on Nuclear Radiation Safety GAN TIME 10 00 a m - 12 15 p m 2 00 p m - 4 00 p m U S SIDE UKRAINIAN SIDE T P K R S N A A A V Sherr NRC Ting NRC Sanders DOE Cherry DOE Schachowskoj Interpre ter Shteynberg GAN Shcherba MFA Glukhov GAN Tchernychov GAN Schevchenko GAN SUMMARY The U S MC A and physical protecti on delegati on met with officia ls from the State Committee of Ukraine on Nuclear and Radiation Safety GAN on Septembe 1-3 1992 The delegati ons discussed the U S paper on Possible Cooperative r Activiti es that would satisfy the Ukrainians statement of requirements transmi tted on July 24 1992 by N Shteynberg GAN Chairman A summary Statement was jointly prepared by U S and Ukrainian sides text of statement is Attachment I to this memcon After a warm welcome for the U S delegati on Or Shteynberg made a brief stateme nt The following is a summary o GAN has problems with the availab ility of human resource s work space and equipment o There is a lack of understanding within the Ukrainian government in the area of nonprol iferation in terms of what actions or tasks of safeguards should be taken to meet the nonprol iferation treat requirements what safeguards problems they are faced with and how to start establis hing such a safeguards system o There is a lack of understanding with the export and import control issue o In general there is a lack of understanding of the politica l signific ance of the above problems o Ukraine GAN is extremely interest ed in cooperating with the U S Ukraine GAN is interest ed in installi ng a national MC A and Physical Protecti on System as soon as possible and U S support is essentia l o From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive PARTICIPANTS o It is important to estab lish the number of staff required to set up an MC A and Physical Protection and export control syste ms and the need to hire and train personnel was emphasized He also state d that it would be important to determine which legal documents should be prepa red and in what sequence o Deta iled discu ssion s of the document Pos sible Acti vitie s For Cooperation should be thorough and spec ific Before concluding his remarks Shteynberg posed two quest ions 1 What is the human resource requirement for setti ng up and opera ting the MC A and Physical Protection System For example will GAN profe ssion al staff ers or 24 What resou rces spec ifica lly need four are requi red to fulfi ll the needs 2 What kind of legal document will be requi red timing for this document is important because all the regul atoryThework to be conducted in terms of the law Note Dr Shteynberg has was refer ring to the Ukrainian Atomic Energy legis latio n Dr Shteynberg added that during this meeting Mr Glukhov secti on to the proposed paper the actio n plan to address will add a legis latio n issue on trans porta tion and export import contr the that the draft Ukrainian Atomic Energy legis latio n was transol He said the NRC for review one and one-h alf months ago He did not mitte d to statu s of the U S comments Note P Ting provided some know the on the NRC's actio n plan relat ed to the review of the Ukra information inian legis latio n Mr Sherr thanked Dr Shteynberg for his opening remarks for coming to Kiev to meet with the Ukraine deleg ation to and the opportunity discu ss their reque st for assis tance in the area of MC A and Physical Prote ction The U S side' s remarks and response to Shteynberg's quest ions are summarized below 0 Sherr thanked Dr Shteynberg for his timel y request of July 24 1992 0 The U S side has prepared a paper in Russian and Engl ish descr ibing spec ific activ ities in response to the 7 24 92 Ukra inian reque st The paper was provided to Mr Glukhov on August 31 1992 0 This paper is not an agreement however if the proposed possi ble activ ities are considered reasonable the paper will facil itate the process leading to a formal bilat eral agreement 0 The U S consi ders export and import contr ol and rolife ratio n as prio rity areas The U S will assis t Ukraine withnonp what is needed to help Ukraine achieve the objec tive of meeting inter natio nal stand ards 0 Also as part of the MC A and physical prote ction cooperativ e effor t the nucle ar material track ing and repo rting system will not estab lishe d for the overa ll MC A system but also will bene only be fit the export and import contr ol program and implementation of the nonp rolif erati on treat y NPT and From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive - 2- - 3 - In Shteynberg's July 24 lette r it was state d that the Ukra inian needs in the physical prote ction area would be ident ified in Novem The U S will respond to their physical prote ction needs whenber 1992 they are ident ified In reference to Shteynberg's earli er discussion with Gene ral Burns regarding MC A and physical prote ction and the s subse quen t on the subje ct between Ukrainian repre senta tives and repre discu ssion s the U S the first U S assis tance to Ukraine will be in senta tives of the form of technical cons ultat ion relat ed to MC A and physical prote ction at the national and facil ity level s In this context with regar d to the question on the requirement of human resources the U S deleg ation will eventually be able to provide a relat ively preci se estim ate The U S expected to be able to provide a preliminary estim ate by the end of the week Dr Sanders also made a comment regarding Dr Shteynberg's question on the export and import issue While not direc tly invol ved in import matte rs he understood that the issue was being addre export and separate U S group Sanders asked Dr Shteynberg to what ssed by a Ukrainian government is working with that bilat eral group exten t the Dr Shteynberg responded that he did not know such a group and as far as he knew nobody has addressed the exportofand import control issue properly within his government to date Shteynberg went on to address other issues relat ed to the MC A cooperation and thanked Mr Sherr for his remar ks and the responses to his questions He added that the MC A issue is the most diffi cult issue in terms of the requirements for human resources and equip ment that both sides should go ahead with the proposal activ ities He said Dr Shteynberg also made the following comments concerning the sequence of the proposed program implementation o The activ ities should be start ed at the level of the regu i e the national level system and with one facil ity a lator y body nuclear power stati on o Develop the inter relat ionsh ip between national level facil ity level and information systems on this basis o Then work with two more facil ities uranium production facil ity o The inter actio n between GAN and the facil ities will facil itate the work of developing the tota l MC A system o Dr Shteynberg believes this sequence of activ ities is reaso nable he said that he understands that the U S resources also are limit the U S has its own needs Ukraine will spend its own resou ed and rces from some point on and o He welcomed U S inspe ction s of their systems to assu re corre ctnes s He added that this is their manner of oper ation one research react or and one From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive o - 4 - o The Shteynberg proposed sequence of activities is consistent with the U S anticipated program o The Ukrainian government should have received two draft agreements for comment the framing agreement umbrella agreement and the implementing agreement pertaining to MC A and Physical Protection The framing agreement must be concluded before the implementing agreement and the implementing agreement must be concluded before the cooperation program can be implemented o Regarding the Ukrainian executive agents under the agreements Shteynberg was asked if GAN would serve in this role Shteynberg responded by saying that it was difficult for him to answer the question at the present time He added that the framing agreement may be signed by MFA and the implementing agreement may be signed by GAN They would discuss this matter among themselves Following Dr Shteynberg's comment Mr Shcherba of MFA elaborated more about the Ukrainian interagency's coordination in this matter His comments were generally in agreement with Shteynberg that while the framing agreement may be signed by MFA GAN may sign the implementing agreement and o The Ukraine visit to the U S and the previous meetings established good working relations-which are most important The U S delegation is looking forward to working with the Ukrainians on this effort Dr Shteynberg left the meeting at this point OTHER MATTERS DISCUSSED WERE AS FOLLOWS 1 Ukraine Department of Defense is taking the view that the framing agreement is for the destruction of the missile delivery system Glukhov commented that maybe there should be separate agreements one dealing with MC A Physical Protection and one dealing with the destruction of the delivery system Note Sherr restated that the U S delegation has no authority here to discuss any agreements 11 2 Sanders commented that the DOE will be the executive agency to implement the MC A and physical protection agreement and DOE and NRC will work very closely to implement the cooperative plan 3 In Dr Shteynberg's July 24 letter it was proposed that a joint technical working group be established for facilitating the planning and implementation of the Ukraine - U S cooperative plan Glukhov was designed as the Ukrainian representative in the working group Sherr indicated that Sherr NRC and Sanders DOE will probably be the U S representatives in the group 4 Sherr stated that as work proceeds the action plan may be revised during the course of implementation 5 Sherr emphasized that the speed at which work progresses in the cooperative effort will depend upon the Ukrainian resources available From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive The U S side continued their remarks 6 Sanders provided copies of President Bush's 7 13 92 statement on the nonproliferation initiative and called attention to the objective for cooperation with the former Soviet Union concerning the accounting of nuclear material 7 DOE provided copies of view-graphs used at Los Alamos National Laboratory during the Ukraine visit in July 8 Sherr reiterated the need to discuss the paper on possible activities which should facilitate discussions on the implementing agreement prior to General Burns' planned trip during the week of September 28 Note the trip is now scheduled for the end of October The afternoon meeting was focused on discussions of the paper on possible activity The Ukrainian delegation has no problem with the three leading sections in the draft objective scope and strategy The issue of export and import control and transportation was brought up again by Mr Tchernychov Glukhov's deputy Tchernychov questioned whether export and import and transportation should be included in the action plan Sanders stated that in addressing these areas IAEA guidelines from IAEA INFCIRL 225 includes Physical Protection for transportation Sanders asked who handles export and import control in Ukraine at the present time Glukhov answered that no one handles this Glukhov added that the reason for them to repeat this question is that GAN will have the responsibility for export and import control He said that there is a brief section dealing with the issue in the draft legislation Sherr responded that we would anticipate that NRC's review of the draft legislation will include review of this section Sherr added that licensing for export and import is broader than safeguards considerations MC A and Physical Protection Concerning transportation Glukhov questioned whether safeguards for transportation should be included when Ukraine presents to the U S their request for assistance in the area of physical protection He emphasized the importance of transportation because Ukraine will soon transport spent fuel to Russia They need legislation to cover transportation Sherr observed that Ukraine's request regarding physical protection could include transportation He asked whether the safety aspects of transportation were included in the request of the July meeting at NRC Glukhov said it was covered in general terms Discussions were directed to the timing schedules of the action plan Glukhov reminded the U S delegation that Ukraine will have 18 months to implement IAEA safeguards after a nonproliferation treaty is signed Ting briefly went through the schedule for the major activities in the paper stating that although the entire set of activities will take up to five years the bulk of the system including regulations licensing and inspection programs the material tracking and reporting system as well as the model systems will be completed within 18 months from the date of signing a formal agreement Sherr added that a more basic system can initially be employed to satisfy IAEAs request and refinement of the system can take place over the longer term From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive - 5 - - 6 - Sherr brought up a concern about a potential problem with language He said that several activities will involve rotational assignment of Ukraine personnel to the U S The language barrier would slow down the progress Glukhov responded that he has been looking for people with English speaking ability and that this shouldn't be a big problem Afterwards discussions were focused on the paper on possible activities The Ukrainian delegation has no significant problems or comments for the first few activities described in the plan Some clarifications and discussions were required for certain wording of the sections covered during the meeting The meeting was adjourned at 4 00 p m with the understanding that discussions on the action plan would continue the following day From the Nunn-Lugar collection of the National Security Archive Regarding physical protection Glukhov suggested that shortly before General Burns arrival in Kiev on September 28 to sign the agreement a joint U S Ukraine team could visit a typical site to collect the information needed and then to prepare the request for assistance in the area of physical protection All this can be accomplished before the arrival of General Burns Sherr said there is no need for this approach because the proposed implementing agreement has a provision for adding physical protection later Section VIII of the Annex He added that the U S delegation would investigate the mechanism for adding the physical protection requirements to the Annex upon its return to the U S