CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 Summary report on One-On-One Meeting Between Presidents Clinton and Yeltsin May 10 1995 10 10 a m - 1 19 p m St Catherine's Hall The Kremlin RELEASE IN FULL BNY Thank you for coming to Moscow and for attending this occasion the 50th anniversary of our __ great victory Your participation in yesterday's celebration will add to our · partnership relationship cooperation and personal friendship Thank Hillary too she seemed glad to see the Victory Memorial WJC All the ceremonies were televised back to the U S so our people can get a better understanding of the sacrifices of the Russian people -- a better sense of our partnership of 50 years ago That should make it easier for our people to see that they have a chance to take up where we left off 50 years ago That is what you and I have been doing The world is a safer place than it was two and a half years ago when we began our partnership BNY No question We now have only to ratify START II I keep pounding on my parliament to ratify START Il I squeeze squeeze squeeze them Do it I say So that then we can work on START III I think this will happen in a short while WJC I agree with that entirely We both ust work t ratify START II so that we can then go farther BNY We have a chance The hardest thing Bill is to persuade our militaries -- both yours and ours -- to accept the next step START III I've already casrried out this operation My military is prepared to move toward START III We're firmly abiding by START I And with respect to strategic and tactical arms we've destroyed all tactical weapons we've started to destroy strategic weapons We've removed the strategic weapons from Ukraine and Kazakhstan Now on the question of Ukrainian strategic arms -- we're working togher on this issue I ·we're complying with the timetable for strategic-arms elimination but so far we've been putting warheads in storage because we don't have the facilities for eliminating them We appreciate the assistance we've gotten from you we're buidling facilities to reprocess weapons-grade material into ordinary fuel for peaceful purposes 1 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 I must say that two years ago if we were to say we're going to destroy this stuff a lot of people would say This is making us weaker than Western countries But this talk is over Even the opposition -- everyone everyone --agrees that this process of denuclearization should go forward I feel confident we will get past this threshold and go on to START II even before both of our 1996 elections But what causes us concern here -- and what we've got to do in time -- is developing a common view of Pan-European security and NATO This is a complicated issue We need to discuss it today in a very frank way WJC I agree but first I want to finish on the other subject and mention something else about disarmament We are dismantling our weapeans ahead of schedule BNY We are too WJC I know and I'm pleased with the· w0 rk· we'-re ·doing together and the agreements with with Ukraine Kaz k stan and Belarus However just before I left -·to come here ' I · received a report from a committee that advises me on science It contained distressing information and I want to share it with you They··con-cluded that nuclear materials in Russia are quite well_managed and secure in terms of not being subject to sale -on the black-market -or diverted But they expressed coneern---about·--·-a ·· ___ ________ _ deterioration of safeguards on fissile materials under the control of MINATOM i e non-military material We can't resolve this today and I won't say apything·abbut·itpublicly Among other things we need· to get on to - the·- ·' '··· subject of European security But let's ask VP Gore and PM Chernomyrdin to study it a na · make recommendations fo us ·i· · - • BNY ' I Good but I want to say we have our i i prob-lems one l is _ Tomsk-7 -- a huge facilities -- whe-re we p r oduce nuclear· · materials I've been there it's l iuge - -If we c 1ose i t we won't be able to provide electicityc to 1 an·entire city ·- - -· that depends on it So we need to 'bu·i·ld-a ··new- --atomic·' ·· ··- -s · - --·-- - power station that will allow us to e ose down Temsk-1 The problem so far is that we don'tn·hav e£enough1 money ' - __ But eventually we won't have any powe r piliants that produce · 1 ' s - 1 weapons-grade material 0 WJC · The report I spoke about raises concerns ·about small amounts of nuclear material under·MINATOM •· It is vulnerable to being stolen I'd li·ke -to instruct VP Gore-to share our information with PM Chernemyrdi-n and-review it and come up with recommendations forc-·us- · 2 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 • • • 1 CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 BNY Good bpt I can only say here that this issue involves just Tomsk-7 where they make weapons-grade nuclear material WJC You might disagree with this approach but we need to discuss this kind of thing I want to give yqu the information -- just as I'd expect you to share with me any information you thought I should know about BNY Yes Bill that's good But I was being honest when I said that Tomsk-7 is not military -- it's Mikhailov's MINATOM's What's the gain if we close Tomsk-7 and cannot get power to the big city tied into this station It's impossible to steal anything from Tomsk-7 I've been all over that site I've walked through it on foot in white gloves and a white uniform with all that protective stuff and safety badges that they make you wear - They have disciplined people and the best security facilities WJC I'd like to repeat what I said earlier · We've got to focus here on a different issue which-is a small amount of nuclear material in a non-power- -pl-ant--·-sett-ing in Rus-sia --which could be stolen and sold -0n the world market _ that's something on which perhaps we could do something quietly together We don't have to discuss this now I'd like to have the Vice President talk t0 Prime Minister· Chernomrydin and they can do it · ··- -··- BNY Well there is a question of Beloyarsk station which is a fast-neutron reactor and there's some 1 plutonium We have shut down one unit and the two un-its ' still werking· anei __ _ __i· c only for peaceful purposes They ar e not for _-weapons but - for power for Sverdlovsk and other ·-c ities- _ _ ·When the s · · · Gore-Chernomrydin Commission meets we'll open all facilities and who them every1· site' -inuRussia cILet them · · ' - · see and report to us _ --· - · · - - - - -· --- - -- - - - Before getting back to European see-urity · L want_ _t o ta- l-k· · ·c -- - - ·-- - about the subject of our relations- with- Ira·n - What decisions did I take just before y our·-visit _ _·In _our ·- · - · contract we've left in place only the 2 del-iv ery·of ·- -- ·c energy-producing units for peaceful ·purposes We have i • i turned them · the Iranians down on anything in the contract that has to do with military issues There are four points I want to make here First no centrifuge -- Nyet Second the two silos -- Nyet 3 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 Third we'll refuse delivery of military weapons-gradematerials Fourth only peaceful reactors will be delivered In light of what I've said we should take it easy and stop torturing each other about Iran You have outcries from your opposition and so do I Let's stop stirring them up You have $5 6 billion per year in trade of your own with Iran We don't give you a hard time for that We don't give you a hard time for the fact that it was the U S and not Russia that gave them all they wanted you armed Iran in the first place in the days of the Shah We' re giving them equipment for peaceful us e ·f or electric power stations -- not one iota more - even--though we· will lose financially because we'll have to cut back on the contract to eliminate the gas-centrifuge WJC --1 First let me say that I appreciate the- fact that y ol l ·a·re not going forward with the enrichment -fac-i·lity • -- - That' s a ·- good decision But let me tell you about my own decision which answers one of your points Ten days ago I announce -total embargo on U S trade with Iran so -we'l-l·be giving up the money you mentioned I realize this is a sensitive economic and political issue-for you and-for me Senator Dole and Speaker Giµgrich have called-for ·an aid utoff if Iran is given this reactor I don t 'agree with what ' they' re saying and I don't think that we sp eulEl get -i nto - --· _ that kiIJ d of use of our aid program to punish · ·Russia iJ L want to discuss this issue in terms of what i-s right for Russia and what is right for the w01 ld c - • - r r · · 'i· • - _ _ BNY Bill here's what I propose let's have Gore and Chernomyrdin reach agreement on a pF0toeol-c- -that -wi-1-1 -- establish what deliver ies can go ahead-·apd- which c-ones· we• ' should stop You and I will then rc eview the-Ipr-otoce 1 - - -- WJC Let me make sure we understand each other •· lf·jou'11 leti-- -- the GCC present arguments and evidence- on· why there--should · be no sale then I agree If you expect me to-agree now that the sale should go forward even in part I cannot agree • t · I • - I L · i -t ' 4 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 Our position is that nuclear cooperation of any kind with Iran is a mistake -- from your standpoint as well as our We can also provide you with information to prove that We can also talk to you about how to minimize the economic cost to you for the loss of the sale BNY Bill what are you talking about These are light water reactors You're providing the same thing to North Korea WJC There's a big difference First by building a nuclear reactor and getting -money from South Korea and Japan we're reducing North Korea's nuclear program from the level that already exists Iran doesn't have LWR technology So in North Korea we're moving them drastically away from a program they have while in Iran we're trying to persuade you not to help them start one up Don't you see that difference BNY No no All the cadres -- all the a'tomic wo-rkers fin -Iran were trained by the U S There ar no Russian experts in Iran We' re refusing to provide experts and we' re letting them have only the LWR for peaceful purposes - - ----- ··-- ·• That's why I urge that Gore and Chernomyrdin-loo-k-int6·the· matter and draw up a protocol We'll provide only what we should All othe parts of the contract we'll cut out We'll take the loss and maybe you will be able to make part of it up The Gore-Chernomyrdin C0mmission will have to produce a protocol stating what is - to· be prov id·ed· -and· what is not WJC There's a point here you should under tand We haveintelligence that we believe proves iran -is trying -to develop nuclear weapons I will share_ a · copy··wi th you Hands over Russian-language text ran does not need· · ___ nuclear facilities for energy becaase 1 it- h s eneugh ili-It wants reactors for other purposes _ _ 1L• 1 -1 __-_ '- ·----- i _- BNY They are not capable of develo ping -a nuelear weapons · program - - - - -'- - - -• _ _ - - WJC They are not capable of doing so now- -but -North Korea proves that even a country under IAEA safeguards can develop such a program over time · -- - 0 - --'- - _ · · Also Russia is closer to Iran than· the U S is that should make you all the more careful here Moreover you are a co-sponsor with us of the Middle East Peace process Even the Arab states say that Iran is a principal force trying to disrupt peace -- and that it would be a big mistake to build a power plant there Think about that factor too 5 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 _I CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 Now Boris I recognize that even if you believed I was right you could not announce today that you were ending the sale So I propose announcing today that the enrichment facility and other military-related or -potential aspect are cancelled and the Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission will examine the issue of the reactor sale in the light of ourinformation This is the kind of equipment that requires maximum safeguards under any circumstances But we think the answer in this case is cancelling the sale altogether even though you can't say that today So you say you are reviewing the information we have given you the intelligence and alternative proposals to deal with the economic impact I realize you can't say today I can't sell the reactors But you can say Let's look at the report So no centrifuge no militarily useful technology -- that we'll announce today and we'll turn the rest over to the Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission to work hard on a resolution For our part the resolution we'll be arguing for is cancelling thedeal and trying to find ways to he¾p you the · o vercome the cost of the loss BNY We've got a deal Offers his hand and they shake on it - Now to the issue of European secupity -- a question-no less important than the one we've been discussion In· fact it's more important I want to get a-clear· understanding of your idea of NATO exp nsion because now I see nothing but humiliation for Russi 1 if y ou · p 0ceed · ·_ · ·- · How do you think it looks to us if-one bloc continues to exist while the Warsaw Pact has been ·abolished It's a new form of encirclement if the__ pne su r_v i v i n_g C old War bloc expands right up to the borders of Ru sia Many Russians - have a sense of fear What do you •want · t or achieve - with -- ' this if Russia is your partner they ask I· ask- it toe -' · _ Why do you want to do this We ne ed_a_-newtstr ucttire for - - · -· _ •' Pan-European security not old ones ·••r_J_ _ ·- - - I i _ _ _ _ ' ' Perhaps the solution is to pe stpone N TG expansio n ·until the year 2000 so that later we can eom_e up with some new ideas Let's have no blocs only one European space that provides for its own security ' ·_ If• we leave t-he question of expansion to the year 2000 we' ill· calm- the whole situation down You and I are heading for elections - The--extremists and hardliners are exploiting this issu e- for t heir-·own _ purposes -- on both sides I am being attac ked-from both the right and the left on this We need a common European space that provides for overall securi ty -_ So let's postpone any change in NATO until 1999 or 2000 6 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 By the way France is not in agreement with your policy Mitterrand told me so As for Kohl and Major I understand they're are under your influence They tried to talk me into your approach But for me to agree to the borders of NATO expanding toward those of Russia -- that would 9onstitute a betrayal on my part of the Russian people I'd be prepared to talk about an alternative Let's say that Russia will give every state that wants to join NATO a guarantee that we won't infringe on its security That way they'll have nothing to fear from the East WJC I understand the political complexity of this issue for you but first I'd like to discuss it on the merits Then we can talk about the political difficulties it presents for you - ' · ----- NATO was established for the purpose- 0f making sure that the U S and Canada are fully involved in European security it was founded during the Cold War and it was set up against the Soviet Union Now the Cold War is over and Russia does not present a threat to the NATO states I acknowledge this The question is does ··t11e - · U $ at the end of the Cold War stiil-need -a-security relationship with Europe along with -a· political· and economic relationship BNY I'm not so sure you do WJC Well I believe we do Yesterday's c remony ·was a reminder of why Europe includin JJ Russia -·· certa inly wanted us involved against Hitler · and for s the 50 years ---- ·1 since then during the Cold War we needed sueh a • relationship So the question now'f is how- can-'-c-the u s - ·J _ continue to be involved in Europe i a -a -way1 ' hat makes sure Russia is integrated into Europe and plays its rightful role Our purpose is to use our p tesen9e to work- - · · cooperatively with Russia toward integ atio h But a i-lot - --of this is up to you -- what you do and what-you-don't do· ---·' Our goal is for the U S to stay in Europe and pDomote a unified integrated Europe I propose the following 1 ' • •• - - - j • ' 1 •• £ First that we do the best we can with PFP I which -r ve worked hard to make an important organization-in-it-sown right ' - - 1 I I Second that there be a role for Russia in- P FP-' and -a clear statement from the U S that Russia should not be excluded from NATO membership 7 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 -IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 Third that there be a special relationship between Russia and NATO as discussed by Vice President Gore with you when he visited you in the hospital Fourth that there be a very deliberat·e process for review of NATO's membership Boris let me describe for you what we're planning under the decision that NATO made in December It's important for you to understand what we are and are not doing I told you in January 1994 after our NATO summit that NATO is open to admitting new members We recognized that admitting new members raised a lot of questions that required careful study by our experts as well as our political leaders In December of 1994 we agreed to start a process to answer those questions That's what we call the how and why of NATO enlargement Those are the questions we need to answer before we could even begin to think about who and when - ·· • We decided to do a preliminary internal NATO study of the how and why We' 11 probably finish -- that study -sometime· ··· this summer Then after the study -is finished c we intend· to present the results of that study to all the member of the Partnership for Peace including- Russia - That's going to take place this fall -- we plan to finisb the · presentations by December ---- ----1 We expect that our conversations about the·-· how and why -are going to raise as many questions as they answer So after December 1995 we're going to review th results of those- ·that will consume trs -for ·the first -half ·- - presentations of 1996 1 BNY The first half Meaning what WJC At least the first half at least up -to June· or July -- - · the summer of '96 What I'm telling you is tp at_ th is ·_ process will take a major portion of il 996 _ for fu1 therr 1 - -' reflection • - ••••• • i I am mindful of political pressures on-you • But there' are also substantive merits to what wet I e do iing •· 1 ·I'·m ' · t·• • i explaining the structure of the process we have in mind J -- 1 j•' f • ' • - - _ f 1 There's another point you should understand You should look at my approach to NATO in the- context of greater integration of Russia into other international institutions like the G-7 You want to e -a found-ing8 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 _ CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 member of the post-COCOM regime which I want to discuss with you later I want a clear partnership for you with the West that protects the rightful role of Russia and respects your security I don't want to harm your interests And I want the U S to make sure all the doors are open to you But you have to walk through the doors that we open for you That's why I've urged you to sign the PFP documents and launch the NATO-Russia dialogue By building up PFP it can enhance the security of these other countries Whatever other arrangements are necessary we'll work out in the course of the NATO-Russia dialogue That's the beset way for you to play your part in how European security develops BNY After a long pause I understand your line of reasoning But Bill what is involved here besides- --a strategic ·i·ssue is that there's an overlay of political problems - this year the parliamentary elections next year the presidential ones One false move now could ruin everything So please postpone this- ·-i-s-sue--if not until 2000 then at least for the next few-years unti you and· I· get through our elections --so that the r e· is··only·· theoretical discussion about expansion - Then we can·· explain all this to the Eastern Europeans _and the Central Europeans we'll tell them that the time wi l-come-for expansion later - -· - · --- · · -·- •· 0 I've got to tell you my position--headi-ng- in-t-o-the--19-96- -- -------···- elections is not exactly brilliant I have to· look for positive reports and head off even t -he - smallest- wrong-- - · moves Yesterday boosted my standing' xand· you heiped' 'me '' - - in that But let's postpone NATO expansion for a year and a half or two years There's no need to rile the situation up before the elec't i0ns - l0- -_ · _Jf _ - _ ___ __ _ __ I WJC You know how I've tried to he-lp you Bords t Whe1 1JI•w·as r' preparing to come here I never had a second tliought L ___ _ despite critic ism and advice not to2 come • Even yesterday - · when I was getting ready to speak at 1 the-War Memorial I was thinking what words can I say that will help President Yeltsin That's why I said c 1i Jntii1 _ the Cold 1 War r J - ' • was over the world didn't appreciate- what Russia·-had1 i · · •• - _ done -· · · ··· · 1 BNY Yes those were great words WJC But you've raised political forces- -- so- -let's talk- -about those You described what you are-facing·in- -96i·'-I et ·me · tell you about my situation I face a difficult campaign but I have a reasonable chance The Republicans are 9 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 pushing NATO expansion Wisconsin Illinios and Ohio are key they represented a big part of my majority last time -- states where I wo n by a narrow margin The Republicans think they can take away those states by playing on the idea of NATO expansion -Let me be clear Boris I'm not bargaining with you I'm not saying Do what I want or I'll change my position I've already met with those groups who want to see NATO expand rapidly and told them I'm not speeding up the process · We're gong to stay with our plan with our decision -- no speed-up no slow-down we're going to proceed in the gradual steady measured pace according to the plan I just laid out for you You can say you don't want it speeded up -- I've told you we're not going to do that -- but don't ask us to slow down either or we'll just have to keep saying no •• 'T • There's a third factor The truth is·tbat for-the- people in the Central European countries who most want to-be in NATO it's part of being accepted by-the West · But they also have security concerns That where it gets complicated They trust you Boris They know it would be inconsistent with your interests _for them to be- in ·NATO overnight But they are not so sure what's going tohappen in Russia if you're not around so they're conflicted on the one hand they want_t0 be in NATO in a hurry but on the other they also wa-nt you -to- succeed with reform and don't want anything to happen that will prevent you from doing so · --- - So here is what I want to do I've -made it--c¼ear ·I'-11-do- nothing to accelerate NATO I'm tryi' hg to give you now in this conversation the reassurance y0u need·- But w •·· need to be careful that neither of us- appears· ·to · ' capitulate For you that means y0u xe not goihg t0- embrace expansion for me it means no talk about slowing the process down or putting it en hold or anything like• 0 that 7 - - - • ··T 7• -·-- - I have a suggestion months ago youi were on thei ve'rge of signing the PFP documents Do it no w -Sign _ PFP and •launch the NATO-Russia dialogue before 1the NAC minii steiri al _ in May -· - - · · - · 0 · BNY We need something that will hold back the process of expansion until after the elections· WJC I told you what our timetable is Under our plan we're going to consult with all PFP members including Russia Even in what you would regard as the worst case 1996 would be consumed with a review· of the how and·why and maybe the beginning of a debate ·on the who and when - 10 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 Yeltsin's protocol chief Shevchenko enters and says that the others have gathered for the plenary BNY This is important start without us Let's keep talking here Let them WJC Agreed I was explaining what will happen in '96 You will have questions of your own along with those submitted by the other PFP members That will take a few more months BNY So we're talking about half a year in '96 WJC At least half a year elections BNY Oh they're this year but that's no big deal WJC I'll work hard on this and take some-heat I-don want·to see you get hurt But Boris understand I can't back off You should sign the PFP and beqJin the· Rus sia-NATO dialogue I won't support any change -tha-t --undermines Russia's security or redivides Europe • When are your parliamentary After a 15-minute break Yeltsin presents POTUS with a sword and silver medal in recognition of U S -Ru ian_c oeperation during World War II Yeltsin then invites Gen Volkoganov to make a presentation on the work of the MIA PO t 'J joint--commission BNY Okay back to our work WJC pouring himself a bottle of mineral- -wa-ter3 -Wo'l lld-y0'l l like some water '- · ·· _ - · --' BNY No how about beer • It's too early - - - ---· J I l J - • • i ' - - ' l J - -4 i'1 1 - - _ - ' z- • - - t J f 1 •· • • _' t On European security and NATO -- how do we deal with this in what we say to the press and the public I would accept your plan especially what you - said about delaying - _ through the Presidential elections in l996· - -But this is 1 something we should not tell the press • 11 Let's '1tel il t-hem · _ _ _ _ · that we discussed the issue -- not conclusively but we understood each oth r Then we can say our next discussion will be at Halifax --· - 0 j• As for the political fallout we can both absorb the punches we'll take WJC l - - BNY · z • WJC 1- Good So join PFP 11 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 • - I ' CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 FIED BNY U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 We sign rpodpisivayem both documents changing the subject Bill I must tell you that we're not pleased to hear statements about U S plans that are unfair or hurtful to Russia It's not proper for you to have contacts with the opposition or those in the State Duma who have aspirations to be Presidential candidates in '96 I value your time so much that I wouldn't want you wasting it on them It's certainly bad to have contacts with Dudayev's people Another thing The CIA is deliberately infiltrating the Russian Central Bank I ask that it stop because otherwise we have to take steps to protect ourselves We need to take joint action to keep this from becoming a problem We should guard against improper behavior Partnership is not just being on a first-name basis It's a genuine determination to unde1 stand each· other and · to work with each other It's a matter of common - valuesi· • ofunderstanding each other's problems -- not just of Bill and Boris · During the break I've talked to Chernomyrdin and told him he should invite Gore to check on Tomsk- and any otber • - •· facility Gore should come to R ssia from the Far East via Vladivostok Tomsk and ot-her places and see_ these· _ -• __ facilities for himself Regarding the CIS we have decidect o-pioceed with deeper and broader integration starting in Belarus then in Kazakhstan and eventually Uk aine and -the ot-he i s -so tha-t - - -- -integration will have real meaning _ u 1IDhe -f ormer - •republics of the Soviet Union will resemble the European Community Perry came out against this idea in Kazakhstan He said not to rush with integration · He got-them te agree with him I think there should be one policy of the U S government --the policy of the-· 'Pres i dent ··• · · i - · -i -''1i'f - 1 - ·- J ' • 1 · · · ·z - 1 i7 ·1 On Chechnya there is no need for conGern· ' Wez int end t 0 - • · · - -- · establish order It will be a democratic republ ie within the Russian Federation Of course we _ want ·to take action - i J i· to contain pressure from Islamic countries J espeeially n Turkey and Saudi Arabia in CentraL Asia- and theCaucasus When I say measures I mean-not military but diplomatic measures 0 • -- - - 0 We should do more as we agreed to_ counteract terrorism and organized crime I'm very sorry about what happened in Oklahoma We deeply grieve for -you We haven't done enough on this We should work together and really squeeze these people terrorists and criminals 12 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 · CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 On Halifax it will be easier for us to resolve a lot of other issues including European security and do so a lot faster if you can follow through on including us in the G-8 This will help me on the eve of the elections here WJC On the G-7 I'll talk to Kohl He and I consult and cooperate very closely On terrorism we just opened an FBI office in Moscow but there is more we can do Let's put our scientists together and do joint research work on things like tracers in explosives that can't be destroyed in explosions Another example of what we can do toghether is developing non-explosive chemicals in fertilizers so they can't be used to make bombs Terrorism makes our cooperation on CBW even more important Take the Japanese subway incident and the agents used there We need to have a strategy so that we can work together -- and let's put something on this in our joint statement These are issues that • count--with· the voters -- 0 BNY WJC Yes and let's make a statement about this at -Halifax Absolutely On the CIS the European Union is a good model of the kind integration we favor I'll make it clear that our administration is unanimous in- saying that' as long as integration is genuinely voluntary- and open - that is that it promotes not just integration among-the countries involved but external integration with the- rest of the world we'll not oppose it On Chechnya I've been as supportiv e as - could BNY Yes I know thank you WJC My concern is that the longer it takes to- get· -this _on a genuinely political track the more it hurts Russia Beefing up the OSCE would be a good -thing to d o• a • t he1 i violence could be brought to an end we' lL make more r · r progress on other issues 1--- - i • - ' J I di · r f --- •· -1 f· •• The first time we met in Vancouver-you said you wanted to be part of the post-COCOM regime We talke i- about that last September too Vice Presiden -G0re and Pr ime Minister Chernomrydin have been fo lil owd ng· up on - the- issue of arms sales to Iran There are only two d s sues the •·· first is I need an assurance that the agreement to cut off arms includes a definition of what· will be cov ered and _--that definition covers not just arms but also arms-related technology that's on a recognized list If you can give me that assurance our experts should be able to move quickly to an agreement 13 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 I' _ ' ' 1 CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 BNY You've got it • I fully agree But you have Iranian students who are attending courses in your country who are studying nuclear power We have none WJC I'll look into that and get back to you on it On COCOM if we can agree that there will be a cutoff date by the end of 1999 then Russia can be a full member BNY I guarantee it WJC Good Offers his hand and they shake Boris I know we're running short on time but I do want to ask you for all your help in finding and returning safely Fred Cuny our American citizens who is a humanitarian worker in Chechnya BNY It' 11 be easier for us to help on this now that· we· ·have the territory under control I'll instruct our special services to work on this Maybe we'll have Volkogonov work on it too He's very cons8ientious WJC We hope Cuny is still alive BNY Yes who knows they may have him in a basement-or- --· something · -· · · · WJC On CFE I believe we can work this·· out· · We' know you·-have··· ·· difficulties but we'll try to find a solution We'll discuss NATO enlargement at Halifa·x ybu'·l·l hear me ·say again that the process is going to be gradual deliberate and consistent with the goal- f·an undivide -Europe·and· enhancing the security of all partie including Russia • -· _ f - · But what about not letting anything-cha ppen· 0n· C ·-- · · enlargement through the first half-·of r -96- How -are··we·-• going to convey this to the journal ist-s• ·-· · · ·j l - '·· _ _ -r · - · Okay normalno NATO in Halifax _ 1 fl ' _· · ·- I've already expalined that there can't be a delay no slow-down no speed-up All I can' 'd o fs·keep·explaihing what we doing so that people wiil ·figure out what we're not doing BNY · · 0 0 ·if WJC •• 0 0 BNY T -- - 1 - Tl • - 1 1 1' ·· · · j_t I ·· · · ·- · · · ' 1 · l' 1 We will discuss Eur0pean·security and I I WJC Yes In the meantime NATO will put emphasis-on PFP and Russia's role in it and the Russia NATO dialogue We' 11 --- -refer to a slow gradual deliberate protess consistent· with the goal of an undivided Europe · ·The ·NAG Ministerial · - ---wi 11 formally launch the NATO-Russia dialogue But you understand we can do that only once you've signed the PFP documents Do you understand 14 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 · CO 6 6 9 8 8 2 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 BNY Yes We'll do it President Clinton then tries to get Yeltsin to agree to add a passage in the Joint Statement on European Security that would mention NATO expansion Yeltsin first seemed inclined to go along but his notetaker Dmitriy Ryurikov intervened suggesting they lo k at the language President Clinton handed Yeltsin the Russian text Ryurikov swooped it up looked unhappy with it whispered to Yeltsin who proposed alternative language about how the two Presidents would keep discussing European Security in Halifax WJC Boris rather than trying to improve on the good work of our colleagues let's just go with the statement they've prepared as it is BNY Fine ·• - ·• Postscript No 1 Just before the press conference President Clinton took Yeltsin aside and walked him through again the necessity · that Russia proceed with the PFP documents before the NAC Ministerial if the Ministerial was going to be able to take the steps President Clinton had promised to·· s·eek Yeltsin said he understood __ - Postscript No 2 During dinner in the Hall of Facets a t1 the Kremlin · t he' · · following exchange took place 1 ---•• WJC o C 0' - Boris I am your friend We made great· progress · today - ' -I - was moved by yesterday --·your victory ·and your · · ·· sacrifices The door is open now to progress and partnership on many fronts ' ' - i • - • · - - - • • ' 2· I - To nail it down and avoid a new debate in Washington·and · •i attacks by Dole and others on NATO - -·attacks that will make it harder for me to hold to the course we have laid out --let me ask you this - · 1 1 r · Instruct Kozyrev as soon as possible to take the steps necessary to inform NATO that Russia is implementing the two NATO documents To make sure that the NATO-Russia dialogue can be launched at the May- ministerial NATO -· should be informed well before the May 30 Ministerial meeting Can you give me a date Would May 25 be-all right I need this to do all I promised· 15 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 1 CO 6 6 9 8 82 6 IED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019 BNY I'll sign it the next day after they meet -- on the 31st or June 1st WJC No you don't understand You don't have to sign anything yourself Kozyrev has to take the necessary step _ and he has to do so no later than the day the NAC meets Then if you want to acknowledge it and sign something yourself that's fine But Kozyrev must take the step and proceed with the documents at least ·the day before t he NAC meeting BNY Okay I'll have him do it the day before WJC We're completely agreed on this BNY Yes END L -- -- - --- --_--7i- -_ ---- - - - - - - -- _ --- ·---- --- s - I - Tr_ -- -1 r -' - AC - _ ___ __ __ _ i t -- _ - - 11 • - - r· i - -· --- - 1· 111 f-- - - - -- - Y - ·- - i t-' - - - - - - - - 16 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2017-13804 Doc No C06698826 Date 06 25 2019