Sf NiTiZED COPY CQ 5 9 5 3 7 7 5 D §£Wit@¥ ¥ H ¥WW#t iiW4 @¥fr-WMS i V4W ¥#½ Ai4Wit4¾t#M4i#WMMW£W@#fffi MM NLN-TELCONS-4-7-46-1 2 D 08 SANITIZED EO 13526 3 3 b 1 25Yrs Telecon Mr Kissinger The President 3 20 70 7 09 p m I thing P How are you g tting along on the K I don't know if you talked to Ziegler that provides a cushion for you P Why didn't State put that out instead of kicking it over here threw it to Ziegler and now Ziggler had to th i ow it to me K Did Ziegler tell you what we told him to say P He said it was a modest a mount K Is it done We gave him some guidance They The details of a nyc __ ___ participation would have to come from Vietiane c __ _ _ _ _ _ J P The newspaper stories are wildly exaggerated -• we had nothing to do with it K Well we paid £or it P But they don 1t know that K We provided two answers to you tomorrow -- you can say a this is an application 0£ the Nixon Doctrine -- they are Asians in trouble which we are helping out ' P Also North Vietnamese in Laos ----------- We ar_e going to put Harriman right on the •• we really have to slug them on that K I don't think we ·have to be too defensive on the has been known It' a just thing It ---------------- P How long did they have it there K Just tV O weeks -· but it was agre_ed to be sent there in October P I remember there was some discussion about it when I was the re K l asked c __ _ _ you about it '·- C O5 9 5 3 7 7 5 IIIWI P ¥1t#M1i1¥ttd %iii f½iii NLN-TELCONS-4-7-46-1 SANITIZED COPY Mr Kissinger The President 3 20 70 7 09 p m SANITIZED - 2 - 3 3 P Did Elliot help you today K Yes he was good Marshall Green collapses when things are tough P ·lam not g ing to be deiensive on Laos I really feel the briefing book has ot of material we cover it in the --dldn't statement K P It is just so you ha-ere it in mind just in case you get asked about it · Let's keep Laos out of the thing K Yes ago P What about this order to be signed by me K It is being drafted and I will have it for you •••• P They don't have to put out a press release K I have gi-ven the strictest instructions not to say anything P You fully stated youl' position in your statement 0£ two weeks as I just want it to be sent over fr N an order They say these things can't be done --- £or a year we hit Cambodia but no one knew K · Dick Helms sent over a memorandum from the Station Chief in Laos that sa id without the _B-52 's ihe whole thing is going to fall apart P Why is B 1 52 so important K B-52 1 s bomb with rada i- they fly with reconnaisaance P If anybody asks me about that I will say yes we will continue to do that The thing to do is not to be a bit defensive about it We have to say that the enemy is threatening our position in Laos K I still hope this thing in Paris will work out -- certainly after two more meetings something should CO5 9 5 3 7 7 5 iWiSffiffiW ii '• • wt¥ Mft¥iii Wift iif #i§Wif i#ff P1 ¥ R NLN-TELCONS-4-7-46-1 Mr Kissinger The President 3 20 70 7 09 p m ·- -3- P I don't know if we can wait that long -- you can't let them vacillate I think they may be diddling K But they aren't gett-ing a ny publicity from the_se·talks P But they know that we wonlt hit them if we are talking to thetn The Laos thing should be some message to them K Oh they will notice that l don't know what they are up to but they can't just be diddling us along P Two good happened The Brandt reception in East Gel many and the Cambodia thing The Brandt thing has sent shivers up their back Can't you imagine the kind of reception I would get if I went there I just may go If Brandt wanted it I would go K The outcome would be unpredictable - - you know the East German is tough P They are much tougher than the Hungarians Ev-en the American press reported the Brandt visit that way even though they hated to do it K German situation is dangerous P If it is dangerous to us it is dangerous to the Soviets would it take them to get weapons K How long I would not comment on the Cambodian thing directly P I will just say we noted the change and recognized the Government because it was selected by Parliamentary means K You tnight say we expect Cambodian neutrality P He may come back and ta ke it over again -- you never know this may be a help to us too K The Cambodian development is a plus The weakening of the menu series o • • • • The B-52 strikes keep them going I want SAM sites hit soon Is the weather okay CO 5 9 5 3 7 7 5 ii¥#4¥ib iiiii#MW@§¥¥ifr W tidMfl¥4¥4½98@¼ fo gbffi¥ N LN-TELCONS-4-7-46-1 · Mr Kissinger The President 3 20 70 7 09 p m -4- K The weaf her is awful but they should be able to do it soon April should be much better We should be able to get uninterrupted periods of two weeks P · Our press on thr ee networks made grave mention of the fact that casualties were over 100 There i3 no mention of the fact that they are 1 3 or 70% lower than last year -• 350 K Possibly about 400 P Basically the people in the press are not loyal to this country K They can't bear the thought that you can come out all right P We are either going to do it at Paris or we will do it the other way -but we are going to do it I have been reading these figures over the last three months -- if we killed one-third of what they say there wouldn't be anyone left in· North Vietnam K The fact that no one has ever come back from North Vietnam -the impact on South Vietnam must be enormous -• there is a breaking point I was doing some preparations for my next meeting They just aren't talking in these meetings as they were before They aren 1 t going 'to make it last for anpther three years P You are going to meet them on the 6th K 4th or 5th and then on the 18th P I would tell them to fish an d cut bait K · When you read the transcript you will see that they have given a hell of a lot more than we have We told them we would go out in 12 months P They have not given us anything K They don't insist on the 10 point anymore If they don't say anything about the military thing next time I will not go back P That's right what we have to do is create a provocation to hit them C O5 9 5 3 7 7 5 ¥¥1 W litt¥¥ Wiiit¥ri¥¥WFM NLN-TELCONS-4-7-46-1 - Mr Kissinger The President 3 20 70 7 09 p m -5- P We are not going to hit them the way Johnson dido I£ we provoke we are going to kick the shit out of them --- anything ••• everything short 0£ nuclear weapons That's why I pproved the B-52 thing so fast We are already being blamed for being in Laos what difference does it make if we hit them with little planes or big ones We may as well use the big ones K I will give them an ultimatum that if they don't give us something I will break off tM P The talks a re inlportant to the rn• K Although you deflated the talks to the point that they are not getting out of them what they used to It 1 s even of£ American TV Habib is never on TV Laos is a good diversion for the ti rnebeing P You mean £or the US -- in the sense we are not talking about Vietnam If we talk about Laos people will think we are engaging in another war This press is unbelievable I told Ziegler everyone is bad -- they are all your enemy They c·ame up to me after the Gridiron and said something about new relations 1 told them to forget it it was just for one hour You feel you have to get along with them socially -- I can't feel that way I just don 1 t w ant to associate with them K I see them rarely P They bore the hell out of you I will see Joe Alsop K As a group they are slobs Quality of people going into journalism isn 1 t high P I don't know about their intelligence they write well an nl quickly -they just don 1 t have loyalty P 1 et 1 s come back onthe Laos thing -- the diversion K The Muskie speech P Who picked it up K No one - NLN-TELCONS-4-7-46-1 Mr Kissinger President 3 20 70 7 09 P• m · -6 P The only problem we have now is whether the public will think the whole thing is one package K Basically the people who are attacking Laos -- Hugh Scott said they are the ones who failed on their attack on your Vietnam policy and are now looking for another way to attack it P I am going to work the balance of the evening on the press thing If you have anything make sure I have it by 10 00